More from English on Barclay recordings

Yesterday on The Nation (possibly recorded earlier) Bill English said he wasn’t sure if a recording existed in the Todd Barclay electorate office dispute. Unless he has seen or heard a recording this may be technically correct.

Newshub has more today:  Bill English admits Todd Barclay offered to play secret recordings

Bill English has admitted soon-to-be-former MP Todd Barclay offered to play him the secretly recorded tape of his staff members.

At the National Party’s annual conference today, when asked if Mr Barclay offered to play him the recording, Mr English admitted that he did.

“Did he offer to play me the recording? Yes he did,” Mr English confirmed.

Why was English asked about this? It looks like information could be being being fed to the media.

“I haven’t denied anything; I’ve just said that what I was told I passed to the police. There was then an investigation at the conclusion, of which no charges were made”.

He continued he didn’t think it “was appropriate” for him to accept the offer to listen.

“It was an employment dispute… in the context you don’t want to make them worse with loose comments or whatever that could make them harder to resolve”.

This is tricky territory for English.

The media are obviously pushing for a complete revealing of every detail, and someone seems to be helping them.

Dirty politics?

However English has been caught in the middle of a difficult situation. If a fellow MP talked to him in confidence (as another MP as he was at the time) then I can understand a reluctance to reveal things.

It is also possible that what English knows could be incriminating and affect Police decisions on whether to prosecute or not.

I really don’t know what the proper thing to do is in this situation.

The media don’t care, all they want is another story.

One could wonder whether English is being deliberately targeted here by others with National Party interests, and perhaps want English out and don’t care about an election loss this year.

As Cameron Slater has hinted that more may be known…

Bill English knows a whole lot more than he is letting on, and so does his Chief of Staff. The media know this, the opposition knows this. It is only a matter of time now, and at the moment Bill is running around trying to stop the Privileges Committee complaint.

…and it may be drip fed to media to keep embarrassing English.

Todd Barclay may have just been collateral damage in the real war.

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  1. Gezza

     /  June 25, 2017

    Yeah … I dunno – who would seriously try to roll him just before an election & think they actually benefit from it – with the polls up until now suggesting the Nats would likely still be in power post-election, & when they could probably just as easily roll him after the election & not then have to waste three years – maybe more – in the wasteland of Opposition?

    • Why would the issue go public several days prior to National’s pre-election conference? Why would information continue to be drip fed to the media? Why would Slater suggest there was more to come? Why is Slater campaigning so hard against English and National?

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  June 25, 2017

        You say that like you think Slater actually holds some form of influence over peoples opinion.

      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2017

        1. “Why would the issue go public several days prior to National’s pre-election conference?”

        Don’t know. If they wanted to roll him why do it before the Conference, not after? They won’t dump him now – not when they remember who the Deputy is.

        2. “Why would information continue to be drip fed to the media?”

        Is it being, or is it all known & being drip-fed BY the media?

        3. “Why would Slater suggest there was more to come?”

        Because he’s a #deleted# ?

        4. “Why is Slater campaigning so hard against English and National?”

        Because he’s a lonely boi & National don’t want anything to do with him so now he’s turned the nasty on them – because he’s an Orc, basically?

        • Conspiratoor

           /  June 25, 2017

          Or could it be, he believes national have sold out the right and betrayed their founding principles G. Too much of a stretch?

          • Gezza

             /  June 25, 2017

            Yeah, I reckon. Too much of a stretch. I’m going with the Orc.

          • oldlaker

             /  June 25, 2017

            Or is it simply to open a door for his beloved, Judith Collins?

      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2017

        It’s a pretty rare event, isn’t it? Both Parties & leaders getting totally scragged, at the same time, over such intensely awkward political scandals that go right to the heart of whether either of them really have any integrity?

        • Yep. I think it looks like National’s problems are probably deliberately timed, it’s an old issue that has been raised again.

          Labour’s problem is more as things happened and despite some claims of deliberate diversion I think it’s largely coincidental.

          TOP, NZF and maybe ACT will be not unhappy, but the Greens are likely to be stunned.

        • MaureenW

           /  June 25, 2017

          No, self serving pack of bastards.

          • Gezza

             /  June 25, 2017

            Hard to find any fundamental flaw with that diagnosis Maureen.

      • PDB

         /  June 25, 2017

        Slater knows zip – he is just drawing conclusions like everybody else by looking at the way the media are telling the story.

  2. duperez

     /  June 25, 2017

    Oh, how sad when the world, through the media, demand that the ‘whole story’ is told about an issue and those with information feed it on.

    And a sad, sad world when those who so often use expressions like ‘open and transparent’ become victims of acting completely opposite to their fine words.

    Of course the media don’t care, they do just want another story. I wonder if their determination to have that story equals that of others to suppress the story?

    Dirty politics? What? The Newsroom publishing its latest instalment and the circumstances and motivation for it? Or is “dirty politics” to describe the behaviour outlined there?

  3. Winston. Whaleoil. It starts and ends there. Well that is a theory. And if its correct then it exposes the real hypocrisy of the press screaming Dirty Politics and piling on to Slater in 2014 if they are working with him this time around…

  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 25, 2017

    the fun off watching both sides point scoring, Whinny and Oconnor for me and damn the rest

  5. One of a kind

     /  June 25, 2017

    This is trouble that is of English’s own making.

    In February last year, once Todd had admitted to English that he had ‘allegedly’ committed a crime then English should have taken steps to deal with it. Something like this:

    1 Talk to the victim in this matter – issue a formal apology on behalf of the party. Inform her that if she wishes to make a complaint to Police she is free to do so.
    2 Undertake proceedings to have Barclay removed from the National Party due to his actions being deeming unacceptable for a Member of Parliament and bringing the party into disrepute.
    3 Put out a press release outlining the basic details and stating that the Party is instituting disciplinary procedures against Barclay.

    What you don’t do:
    Cough up hush money of $100K that could be seen as Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice.
    Pretend that you don’t know anything about it and only come clean after copies of your text messages are made public.
    Pretend for over 1 year that Barclay had done nothing wrong and however once it becomes public you get all righteous and kick Barclay for touch.

    English looks bad in all this – and i am a Nat supporter.

    • Do you know the amount and nature of the employment court settlement, or are you going by rumours?

      • One of a kind

         /  June 25, 2017

        The actual amount is rumour Pete – however it is pretty certain from English’s text messages that money was paid out and it was a pretty substantial amount.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 25, 2017

      A settlement out of court is never an attempt to pervert the course of justice.

      Not talking about a settlement with a confidentiality clause is not only normal but necessary.

      A political party is always entitled to dissociate itself from future representation by any individual.

      Your list is rubbish.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 25, 2017

        Oh, and it is normal to wait for someone to be convicted of a crime before punishing them. In this case he wasn’t even prosecuted let alone convicted. But rant on, don’t let common sense stop you.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 25, 2017

          I see the loony Left have sent in their PDTs.

  6. oldlaker

     /  June 25, 2017

    Does it really matter what the motivations are for the media running with this story? It’s a big story that will shortly engulf the National Party board and possibly the police for political favouritism. Mike Hosking has insisted it is of no importance (and Paula Bennett describes it as a “tap”) but it should be of deep interest to anyone who cares about how political life is run in NZ. It probably won’t lose the government the election but it is well worth being exposed.

    • hahahahahahahahahahaha you should post under this handle more often its really good humour

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 25, 2017

    Does anyone have a copy of the collective employment agreement for Parliamentary Services? We hear allegations about what is in it but no verifiable source.

    • Gezza

       /  June 25, 2017

      No. Apply for a job there. Get the documents. Report back?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 25, 2017

        Should be able to get it with an FOI request?

        • Gezza

           /  June 25, 2017

          Don’t see why not. May not even need an OIA request. An email to someone then might produce it faster – depends what you want to know perhaps. Pay rates might not be included, for example.

          Otherwise, get in there as a mole:

          Manager – Policy & Directions
          Parliamentary Service