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25 June 2017

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52 Comments

    • Gezza

       /  June 25, 2017

      Sir Alan ❗️
      Language :

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 25, 2017

        Would you prefer guns?

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        • Gezza

           /  June 25, 2017

          I’m sitting on the fence. What’s it about?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 25, 2017

            Dangerous place. There’ll be a bureaucrat hanging on it soon.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              No. What’s the article about? 🤔 Not your homicidal tendencies. 😡

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              Read it. I’m off to walk the dogs and electrify another fence.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              Good God man! I’m busy. I’ve got an Estate to run. Waterbirds to raise. Villagers to oppress. Politicians to corrupt. I don’t have time for details. Where’s the Executive Summary ? 😠

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              Is there a video ?

            • Blazer

               /  June 25, 2017

              don’t forget to pee on the fence…to make sure its…working…Al.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2017

              Why on earth is this law being decribed as ‘arcane’ ? There’s nothing arcane about it. It’s a food hygiene thing, not a Masonic ritual.

              I keep reading that people don’t die* from eating partially cooked hamburgers (it’s beyond me why anyone would WANT to do this) but that is being deliberately obtuse. They are far more likely to have an upset stomach from eating mince that hasn’t been cooked properly. Ugh, ugh, ugh !

              * some have, I believe.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              Fraser said he was told he could apply to prove The Governor was safe, but at cost of “thousands of dollars.”

              Haagh said the list of hoops a restaurant had to jump through under the new rules was “unbelievable”.

              “The government said this food control plan is going to be easier and simpler for restaurants.

              “But in the last year, between Dan and myself, we would have spent about a month filling out forms and getting this done.”

              Mad bureaucracy for a business that has been running with accolades and no complaints since 1827.

              As for “dangerous e-coli” – everyone’s bowel is full of it. Show us where anyone has died or even been ill from eating a gourmet hamburger in Russell. You are infinitely more likely to get a virus from airplane air than sick from that.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              Oh. Now you produce an Executive Summary !
              Typical ! 😡

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              It’s not an Executive Summary, it’s an extract. Produced only for those who can’t read or comprehend.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              The PDT just got a show-off mate.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2017

              This health ruling is not peculiar to NZ. Mince can be harmful if it’s not cooked right through-like chicken. I don’t hear of anyone demanding that restaurants should be able to serve half-cooked chicken.

              Even when I ate meat, I wouldn’t have wanted to bite into a hamburger that was raw in the middle. Revolting thought.

              There’s nothing to stop people half-cooking mince at home if they like the taste of raw mince and the contrast between the hot bit outside and the cold bit inside.

              Eating a half-cooked hamburger must be like eating a half-cooked sausage-the disgusting memory of biting into one at a barbecue and finding raw sausage meat in the middle…..pass the bucket,

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              I can assure you that the Duke’s restaurant is one of the very best in Northland and its gourmet burger is nothing whatever like a half-cooked sausage.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  June 25, 2017

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 25, 2017

              The Governors Burger $25

              hand blended Angus chuck & brisket patty / smoked belly bacon / grilled cheese / caramelised onion jam / tomato / pickle / cos lettuce served w French fries – Unofficially the best burger in the bay

              Not exactly a half-cooked sausage.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              Only a half-cooked sausage would pay $25 for a burger

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 26, 2017

              Manifestly untrue. The Duke’s restaurant is very popular and successful. I might even take you there though it seems the new menu item will be Burnt Bureaucrat on Toast.

            • Gezza

               /  June 26, 2017

              At $25 a burger it sounds like after 180-odd years the local establishment propietors are still fleecing the passengers.
              But ok:

            • Gezza

               /  June 26, 2017

              🤔 Arr .. Oi missed an R. ⛵️ 😎
              There be three R’s in proprietor. 🙄

  1. sorethumb

     /  June 25, 2017

    Canterbury mayors call for Government to rethink immigration changes
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/94018321/canterbury-mayors-call-for-government-to-reconsider-proposed-immigration-changes
    Who underwrites the mayoral campaign?
    http://imgbox.com/hPbuHrAE

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 25, 2017

      Knock, knock !

      Who’s there ?

      BANG !!!! The police.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 25, 2017

        And no, I don’t think it’s funny.

        It will deter any other black policemen from going to assist if this is the thanks they’re given.

        The man who was shot at point blank range with his partner and her four year old was murdered-how that killer walked away is a real mystery. The victim was doing everything right.

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    • PDB

       /  June 25, 2017

      Knock, knock !
      Who’s there ?
      Lurch.
      Lurch who?
      My thoughts exactly………

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      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2017

        Terrible cold, somebody’s got there 🤒

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        • I know the reason Gezza:
          “If the current rate of increase of 2 ppm/yr continues, CO2 concentrations would require about 200 years to double. These climate sensitivity estimates also assume the temperature increase was solely due to greenhouse gases and do not include natural influences from solar amplification, global brightening, ocean oscillations, etc. which can alone account for 95% of climate change over the past 400 years.”
          Thee following 30 published peer-reviewed studies and 5 unpublished low estimates of climate sensitivity refute the IPCC results and kill the lies once and for all!

          Lindzen & Choi [2011]: 0.7 C LInk

          Spencer & Braswell: 0.62 C Link

          Bjornbom: 0.67 C Link

          Eschenbach: 0.2 C Link

          Levitus 2012 = 0.39 C Link

          Douglass & Knox [2012]: 0.16 * 1.3 = 0.21 C Link

          Lindzen & Giannitsis: 0.67 C Link

          Douglass et al [2005]: .22 * 1.3 = 0.29 C Link

          Bogdanov: .41*1.3 = 0.53 C Link

          Chylek: .385*1.3 = 0.50 C Link

          Monckton: .12 * 3.7 * 1.3 = 0.58 C Link

          Paltridge: .1 – .3 (based on NCEP trends, figure 10) (ave .2)*1.3 = 0.26 C Link

          Schwartz: 0.3 * 1.3 = 0.39 C Link

          UPDATES:

          Bengtsson: 2C with lower bound 1.167C Link

          The Hockey Schtick: 0.28C [to doubling of man-made CO2 emissions] Link

          The Hockey Schtick [alternate method]: 0.25C [to doubling of CO2 levels] Link

          Harde: 0.43C Link

          Norden: 0.8 C Link

          Lewis & Curry: 1.3C Transient Climate Sensitivity, 1.6C Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity Link

          Irvine: 1.3C Link

          Cederlöf: 0.32C mean, [0.23C to 0.32C range] Link

          McLean: CO2 played little if any role in post-1950 warming, i.e. sensitivity +0.00 C
          http://www.sciencedirect.com... —> +0.02 C
          http://www.int-res.com... —> +0.4 C
          multi-science.metapress.com… —> +0.51 C
          multi-science.metapress.com… —-> +0.96 C
          http://www.clim-past-discuss.net... —-> +1.1 C
          link.springer.com… —-> +1.3 C
          arxiv.org… —> +1.35 C
          journals.ametsoc.org… —> +1.6 C
          SOURCE : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1176369/pg1

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          • Gezza

             /  June 25, 2017

            👍 Merci, mon Colonel. 💂 Zis explainez every-sing.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2017

              Knock, knock !

              Who’s there ?

              Gezza.

              Gezza who ?

              Come on, my lover-Gezza kiss !

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2017

              😳

      • lurcher1948

         /  June 25, 2017

        snowflakes idea of humour

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  2. Gezza

     /  June 25, 2017

    Just been over the road to inspect their new hound & make its acquaintance.
    9 weeks old, miniature black poodle, Phoebe – sister for Louie, same breed & colour.
    Gorgeous.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 25, 2017

      I WANT ONE !!!

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    • lurcher1948

       /  June 25, 2017

      My small one is a Sidney silky/toy poodle, one tough bitch…

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      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2017

        Phobe’s already got a damn good grip & pull on the legs of the rag doll when she can entice Louie into tussling for it! She’s about 1/4 his size. She was running around the lounge & kitchen with it, trying to get him to play. Funny as a fit. He’s 2. A real charmer. Knows he’s got the looks AND the personality to pull the chicks!

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        • Gezza

           /  June 25, 2017

          (I didn’t like to say “pull the bitches” – it sounds so coarse, and Loiue is very refined Lurch.)

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  June 25, 2017

    Alan W just saying the leader our dear PM just admitted on 5.30pm tv4 news that he lied saying that Tom offered to let him listen to toms illegal tapes, Billy the PM who forgets where toilets are and the way home.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 25, 2017

      Who said what when, Lurch? I’m still waiting to hear what the problem is.

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  4. The madness of Ill-educated fundamentalist Islamic cruelty – here in Heartland NZ.

    Hawke’s Bay father puts 5-year-old son through mock execution and laughs

    A father who became upset at his 5-year-old son’s behaviour during prayer time made the boy get a hammer and kneel on a sheet so he could be executed.

    The offending by Hastings man Kiimatangiroa​ Junior Samuel, 41, was described by Judge Max Courtney as “the cruellest set of facts I have ever come across”.

    Before making his weeping son kneel and close his eyes, Samuel told his other children, aged 7, 9 and 10, to fetch sheets as he didn’t want blood to get on the floor.

    He then told his children not to watch and “look away so you don’t see all the blood”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93929571

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    • Samuel told police he had become upset because his son had been running around the mosque during his prayer time.

      He said he had no intention of carrying out the threat and had only threatened to execute his son to get him to be more honest.

      As well as pleading guilty to threatening to kill or cause grievous bodily harm in relation to the mock execution, he pleaded guilty to nine other charges of assaulting his children, eight of them representative charges occurring over several months.

      Police became involved after Child, Youth and Family received a notification from the children’s school on March 7. Samuel’s 7-year-old daughter had told staff that her father had become angry at her sister, aged 9, and that she had been kept home by her father.

      It transpired that Samuel had grabbed the 9-year-old by the collar, threw her to the ground and punched her in the face. She begged him to stop but he continued beating her.

      Other incidents involved Samuel twisting his children’s arms and throwing car keys at them until they sobbed. They were hit nearly daily with a broom. At other times they were made to line up while he threatened to hit them with a power cord and other items.

      Samuel’s lawyer, Antony Willis, said his client had struggled to handle his children, had dealt with situations extremely poorly in a spontaneous manner, and was remorseful.

      Judge Courtney said the mock-execution was the lead offence and told Samuel “I have never had to deal with sentencing for a summary of facts like this before”.

      “It’s horrendous … It is certainly not the way you instil honesty and truthfulness in your children,” he said.

      The judge said the children’s victim impact statements revealed that his daughters missed him but they felt scared of him and were happier without him and did not want to be alone with him.

      The 5-year-old was pleased his father was in jail because he was scared of him.

      Courtney said his time as a Family Court Judge meant he was “well aware of the psychological scars and impact” caused to children involved in domestic violence “and I have no doubt, even without expert evidence, that all these children have suffered psychologically”.

      The drawn-out psychological torment of “a 5-year-old kneeling in a position to be hit over the head in execution manner, having had to go and collect the hammer, would be simply incomprehensible”.

      The judge said he agreed with the probation officer’s report that said Samuel had attempted to minimise the offending.

      He was also concerned at Samuel’s insinuation that physical discipline was part of his culture.

      “It’s quite clear that in New Zealand, whatever anyone’s culture is, it is totally inappropriate and it is clearly illegal… Quite frankly I do not believe any culture would condone the type of behaviour you have committed against your children,” the judge said.

      The judge noted Samuel had several previous convictions including two for assault and two for breaches of protection orders.

      He gave him no credit for remorse, but did give him credit for his guilty pleas.

      “Abuse of this serious kind is simply not acceptable and will not be tolerated by the courts.”

      Samuel was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in prison.

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