Is NZ online media left wing?

From a Gezza comment:

2. IS THE ONLINE MEDIA LEFT WING?

Is NZ Media really left wing, and if so – is that good or bad – and why?

1. Main Online Print media: Fairfax & APN News & Media – Stuff.co & Herald?
2. Regional Newspapers?
3. Alt News – Scoop, Newsroom, The Spinoff etc
4. Social Media News e.g. Facebook

Ignoring Blogs – they don’t cover the range of news of the above.

Anybody ?

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36 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  June 26, 2017

    Is this a rhetorical question?

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  2. Gezza

     /  June 26, 2017

    @ PDB
    No. The reason I split question into Online Print Media & Broadcast Media is I wondered if posters see a difference in terms of balance or bias.

    I think, for example, the Online/Print media is more right wing than the telly media.

    Blazer obviously thinks so too – citing Roughan, Armstrong,Young,Trevett as examples in Print Media.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 26, 2017

      Sorry Blazer – I should correct that – you said they are “status quo”. Which puts them to the right of say Labour or Greens, in my view.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 26, 2017

        But columnists and opinion writers don’t reflect the natural biases of the media – they are there precisely to provide a slant on the news. For every Right opinion writer there are Left wing columnists too.

        Bias is more in the slant of what should be straight news stories and the prominence given to specific stories.

        This is far harder to detect reliably as everyone looks through their own lens, and news has drifted more and more into opinion journalism, so there is less ‘straight’ news to work with.

        The relative comments on the intern scandal vs the Barclay scandal are an excellent case in point.

        Also, there are journalists who like scandal and will simply blow things into big events for the coverage. The current government of the day is always a target here, so it is hard to discern ideological bias vs holding power to account in these cases.

        All that will happen here is that the right leaning posters will call a left wing bias and the left wing posters will say the opposite.

        The difference, of course, is that the right leaning posters will be correct… 🙂

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        • Gezza

           /  June 26, 2017

          Details later.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  June 26, 2017

            Bit harsh there Gezza – you even point out yourself that Little is being given a soft ride at the moment while HC was not. The Government of the day always gets harsher treatment.
            Pointing to Armstrong or Young and calling right bias is the same as calling Left bias with Jane Bowron, Bryan Gould, Paul Little and the comedian ensenmble who think they know politics – Raybon Kan, Guy Williams, Michelle A’Court et al.

            But I’ll await your details…

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          • Gezza

             /  June 26, 2017

            Details:
            Tbh. I mainly wanted to practice with the “Cobblers” stamp to make sure it will work for Sir Al @ the next appropriate time, which won’t be very far away on his past performances.

            All that will happen here is that the right leaning posters will call a left wing bias and the left wing posters will say the opposite.

            The difference, of course, is that the right leaning posters will be correct… 🙂

            Ok, you might be right, but, we’ll see. These two “scandals” for English/National & Little/Labour are – roughly – on a par & raise honesty, integrity & competence issues for both which should have a bit longer to play out and a bit more to be dug out or pushed out by journos. It will be a good test of your last sentence to see how much coverage both get over the next little while.

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  June 26, 2017

              The COBBLERS stamp was a great success G – although I thought it could be on a more jaunty angle.
              I was tongue in cheek on the last sentence of course, although I think there is an element of truth to it – NZ journalists tend to the left as is common worldwide.
              That said i think we are exposed to a wide variety of views and are generally fairly well served in terms of opinion writers.
              It does concern me when journalists make calls at an early stage as to what stories will be driven hard and which will fall off the radar. It smacks of premeditation.
              And there have been signs of coordinated journalistic ‘hit jobs’ in the past which leave me wondering if we have too shallow a pool of journalists in this country.

              I hesitate to agree with WO, but when Hager kept details of “certain journalists” out of his DP book to “give them a chance to change their ways” it was an indictment and makes you wonder if something is being held over them to force them to push narratives.

        • Blazer

           /  June 26, 2017

          the intern story is a nothing.It is trying to be turned into a ‘scandal’ for political traction.Emotive words like slaves thrown about to incite….ludicrous but expected by the right these days.

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          • I’ve never used emotive words like slaves.

            The credibility of Little is an issue in it.

            The possible abuse of Parliamentary funds and possible attempts to circumvent donation disclosure are issues.

            It’s also important to know if Auckland Labour has been running a separate campaign to the leadership and head office in Wellington, or if Little is not admitting how much he knew about and approved of the intern scheme.

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            • Blazer

               /  June 26, 2017

              just produce the evidence instead of speculating is my…call.

            • PDB

               /  June 26, 2017

              Doesn’t stop you Blazer saying (incorrectly) that the Chinese are buying most of Auckland’s housing stock even though official figures show that is far from the truth – pot, kettle, black and all that…….

            • Gezza

               /  June 26, 2017

              Can you make an OIA request of an Opposition Party?

            • Blazer

               /  June 26, 2017

              @PDB…that assertion is completely accurate,I know it,you know it,the Govt know it..and the chinese…know it.

          • This is NOT a nothing at all. It has corruption and deception written all over it.

            From the minute McCarten was assigned Parliamentary funding for “outreach”, “setting up meetings” and proceeded to do nothing of the sort it’s been flawed and deceptive. It’s clearly partisan – there is nobody who now tries to claim (apart from you) that this other than Labour a contrived, conceived imperative or that it’s implementation advantages anyone other than them.

            As for the conditions of the (foreign) workers, they were pretty well deplorable. Labour rabbit on and on about living conditions and yet see nothing wrong with lining bodies up on Marae floors. (Bring on Rheumatoid and other such diseases!) Soliciting overseas workers on low wages flies in the face of their “jobs for kiwis” stance – and absolutely everything else about this stands against the very core of what they claim to stand for.

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            • Sir G -No, but you can write letters to Parl. Services. Farrar has one on his blog.

  3. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  June 26, 2017

    How could you doubt that the online media is left-wing and have been for decades?
    Stuff will close down any comments that start to drift from their view… they won’t publish anything that corrects their lousy research.

    How come there has been Little attention given to the Labour intern balls-up?
    Pete George is the only player in the game of sniffing out the dirt on this story.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2017

    Maggy because the MSM are enjoying watching Bill English dig a hole with his mouth.

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    • PDB

       /  June 26, 2017

      Don’t worry Lurch, doesn’t change anything as we still will have either;

      A. National/NZL First govt.
      B. A Labour/Greens/NZL First marriage from hell that blows up within three years and they are voted out again.

      Enjoy!

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 26, 2017

    Kiwiblog did a survey last year which showed a huge bias against National amongst the print columnists and the data was unequivocal. The only question was how much of that is ideological and how much is simply anti-Government.

    I take the point of view of how many journalists are ever attacked on ideological grounds by Lefty bloggers and critics. I think you can count them almost on one hand. That is out of several hundred listed by Wikipedia.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 26, 2017

      It’s got to the point where there are very, very few opinion pieces by NZ journalists I bother to read. Most are in NBR. The rest contribute almost nothing factual or insightful worth wasting time on. If they do contain facts they are generally irrelevant trivia of importance only to the beltway chattering class.

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  June 26, 2017

      “That is out of several hundred listed by Wikipedia.”
      Remember that that is an “all-time” list and contains very many dead people.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 26, 2017

        … many of whom are still writing opinion pieces.

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        • PDB

           /  June 26, 2017

          Personally I find the dead people still writing opinion pieces to be far more insightful than the far left-wing articles written by living people.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 26, 2017

            I incline to the view that articles written by people who actually do stuff are generally far more useful per word than articles written by people who only write articles.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 26, 2017

            I rather suspect His Grace is referring to the brain dead status of those opinion writers Sir Alan disagrees with.

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    • Listened to Gavin Ellis (shudder) yesterday with a panel on RNZ. I only heard a bit – I was driving and took a phone call – however he had Chloe Swarbrick on and when talking about online bias, false news and in respect to the forthcoming election she mentioned online “partisan” blogs and mentioned only Whale and Farrar. TDB, The Standard and the left’s bully boys never got a mention. It brought to mind that media deception and perception go hand in hand and that they are fuelled by omission as much as they are by commissioned viewpoints and/or reportage.

      Omission forms a large part of what I see as the L/W bias across all media and taught exclsusively at NZ universities and Techs. A prime example to me would be the failure to report on the fact that Bill English is fluent in his understanding Te Reo, and that he speaks it pretty well. Imagine were this Little or perhaps Robertson or the lovely Jacinda, it’s a given the fact would be trotted out daily. It was almost as this interesting aspect of his character and achievements, respect for Maori etc got a blanket media block.

      I’m referencing this interesting Guardian article. Written by a solid L/W writer it highlights the L/W UK education environment. Our media here were all educated similarly.

      “…..Views that fall outside the accepted liberal-left spectrum get short shrift in my staffroom. I have watched teachers react incredulously – almost to the point of tears – when colleagues have tried floating a reasonable case for Brexit. This would be harmless enough if it did not put in doubt their ability empathise with views opposed to their own.

      Unfortunately, I see that lack of empathy in the classroom. It worries me that few of my colleagues seem to understand why Conservatives think as they do. In lessons discussing the general election, I have seen teachers make half-hearted attempts to present a rightwing line of reasoning about the major issues. Their bored or frustrated tone of voice says it all.

      In theory students are introduced to a range of ideologies through studying government and politics. But I have only heard Labour politicians being criticised by fellow teachers for being too rightwing. We have had assemblies celebrating feminists and the campaign for a living wage, which are excellent and informative, but with no attention given to right-of-centre subjects (none that weren’t heavily critical, anyway). ”

      https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2017/jun/24/secret-teacher-school-echo-chamber-leftwing-views-labour

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  6. Trumpenreich

     /  June 26, 2017

    It isn’t Left vs Right anymore, Trump proves that. The real war front is the clash of technocratic Globalism with blood and soil Nationalism.

    The Mainstream Media Party is hardcore globalist and shills for that agenda.

    Online world provides a low cost, relatively uncensored opportunity for alt right narrative to reach eyeballs and build an audience using guerilla activist tactics.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2017


    Davids getting excited, its a pity only right wing snowflakes get excited posting on his blog

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2017

    This is the typical right wing post David Farrar chases to keep his numbers up,SCARY ( posted by someone in a dark bedroom wearing underpants)
    Sources are saying ,that the perennial “fake news “Mainstream Media infested with trade union Journalists,are so used to tell liars,that they are refusing to tell the trust about,Lie-bour/Green Party’s massive corrupt exploitation,of 85 innocent overseas students,and how they would use their money, as well as tens of thousands of trade union dollars,by doing that to” beat” the system,just like pledge card one. Now Angry Andy Little with full supporting programme ,in the scam,have been caught in the headlights,all it needs for once is the the “fake news media”,leading the charge,NZ HERALD encompassed by the enemy within Newstalk ZB,just for once to tell the truth on the scamming and exploitation of 85 innocent overseas student by Lie-bour/Green Parties

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