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3 July 2017

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  1. Corky

     /  July 3, 2017

    I listened to Canadian PM,Justin Trudeau, on the news last night. What a naive fool, the Greens have nothing on this guy. So there he was pontificating to every Moose Caller in sight that: ”we don’t care where you are from, or what religion you practice….you are welcome.

    Now, compare that to the late Lee Kuan Yew, who was a genius, but nowhere near as good looking as Trudeau. No rose coloured spectacles for this late ruler of Singapore. We can only look on with envy by the way Singapore deal with criminals, and make the most of the limited space their country occupies.

    LKY stated the following:

    ”Mr Lee, when asked to assess the progress of multiculturalism in Singapore, said: “I have to speak candidly to be of value, but I do not wish to offend the Muslim community. “I think we were progressing very nicely until the surge of Islam came, and if you asked me for my observations, the other communities have easier integration – friends, intermarriages and so on, Indians with Chinese, Chinese with Indians – than Muslims. That’s the result of the surge from the Arab states.” He added: “I would say today, we can integrate all religions and races except Islam.” He also said: “I think the Muslims socially do not cause any trouble, but they are distinct and separate.”

    I agree with that. The only part I think is wrong is his observation that Islam causes no problems. The reason for that is Muslims wouldn’t dare cause problems in Singapore.

    I am reading a book at the moment called ” Thinking Allowed” by Warren Fernandez. It explores Singapore’s problems and triumphs, many the world rarely hears about. A fascinating country.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/singapores-lee-we-cant-integrate-muslims/news-story/f7064e21e9803db2f7139a119607c64c

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2017

      That’s a remarkably astute, objective, yet tactful observation by Lee Kuan Yew. I’ve never seen that before.

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2017

        Concerning race, and racial issues, Singapore has mirrored New Zealand in many ways. I sometimes forget in my enthusiasm for Singaporean law and or order that that objective was obtained and maintained by what we would consider repressive measures.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 3, 2017

          Yep. I thought that remark of yours in your first comment was objective & perceptive too. Ya not just another pretty face.

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    • Concise and accurate. Thanks for that Corky

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    • Mefrostate

       /  July 3, 2017

      Interesting stuff to read, especially as I move to Singapore for a year at the end of July.

      Worth noting that he later retracted his comments saying: “Hard Truths was a book based on 32 hours of interviews over a period of two years. I made this one comment on the Muslims integrating with other communities probably two or three years ago. Ministers and MPs, both Malay and non-Malay, have since told me that Singapore Malays have indeed made special efforts to integrate with the other communities, especially since 9/11, and that my call is out of date.”

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2017

        Warren Fernandez would disagree.

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      • sorethumb

         /  July 3, 2017

        There is still that residual factor known as Islamic Exceptionalism. The more arduous the requirements, the stronger the religion.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 4, 2017

        The fundamental basis of the religion is false. I guess a good test of how tolerant of others they are could be be for you to tell as many muslims as you meet that (you know it is) & see what their reaction is? Seriously. I would be interested to know.

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  2. unitedtribes2

     /  July 3, 2017

    We watch sadly as Europe refuses to extract their heads from the sand while Islamic refugees invade their countries. They struggle with the onslaught of never ending refugees upon their shores. Although we are protected by being as far away as one can get I wonder what our immigration crises might look like when the Christians of Europe are forced to leave.

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    • Corky

       /  July 3, 2017

      And the middle class. All will be denied entry in favour of refugees and cooks.

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  3. sorethumb

     /  July 3, 2017

    Pass the popcorn
    The Green Party clarify their position on immigration
    https://thestandard.org.nz/the-green-party-clarify-their-position-on-immigration/

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 3, 2017

      PGR Tonight, in the sunny Northland town of Ruakaka, locals are getting crabby’ about busloads of Auckland fishermen pillaging the marine life and rubbishing their beach.
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/gutsful/episodes/s2016/e7

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 3, 2017

        Happens here too – but not Aucklanders. It’s out of area Maori raiding our local kai moana.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 3, 2017

          Not on, I would’ve thought. How do local hapu react to others taking kai moana from their rohe?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 3, 2017

            Not happy at all. But the raiders are in and out pretty fast.

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            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Wonder if they have tried to resolve this iwi to iwi?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              Used to but no muskets now.

            • Gezza

               /  July 4, 2017

              Oh yes, very funny. I knew that was coming Al. It went thru my mind before I posted my comment. 🙂 Serves me right for not preceding my comment by mentioning that. No, I seriously wondered if relevant iwi or hapu had arranged any hui to discuss this. An issue like this maybe shouldn’t just be left up to pakeha law and/or a physical altercation or between aggrieved & affected Maori parties. Hui may have ocurred & been unsuccessful for all I know. I just wondered if this had been done or not.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 3, 2017

      Support initiatives to raise awareness amongst parents and potential parents regarding the issue of sustainable global population levels
      https://www.greens.org.nz/page/population-policy
      Atn Marama (8 kids) Davidson.

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      • NO probs with her kids. She hasn’t received govt help (apart from Helen’s handouts) to raise them

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        • sorethumb

           /  July 3, 2017

          But the point is a high birthrate leads to poverty.

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          • Yes that is a point. Interesting thing when I am in India talking to Hindus and non-Muslims. They express consternation at the birth rate of those of the Islamic faith. I’ve heard it so often to get the feeling it’s pretty mainstream. They are annoyed that they voluntarily reduce family numbers to give their children better options and feel aggrieved that the Muslims are gaining traction in areas due to their high birth rate. Rock and a hard place.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2017

    SH1 north of Whangarei is narrow and dangerous enough for cars, let alone cyclists. Why on earth do people risk their lives on it? The chances of them not being seen or unable to be avoided amongst all the traffic are far too high.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94326326/cyclist-dies-after-being-hit-by-truck-in-towai-northland

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  5. Gezza

     /  July 4, 2017

    There are things you can do about it. But you have to want to.

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