Trump depicts violence against CNN

Donald Trump’s feud against media has raised to a bizarre level with yet another tweet:

That’s appalling.

There’s certainly plenty to find fault in the media – the media that played a large part in enabling Trump’s election victory, initially by giving him an extraordinary amount of free publicity, and then when they woke up to the possibility of a Trump success by effectively campaigning against him, which helped his campaign.

But should be growing concerns over Trump’s attacks on the media – especially when they depict violence like this.

He isn’t attacking all media – Fox News seems to still be on his side in his battle. Like this:

CNN have responded to Trump’s tweet:

 

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  1. Tipene

     /  July 3, 2017

    That’s not appalling – that’s just satire.

    The media enjoy “qualified privilege”, which means they can essentially print whatever they want to, and then hide behind the privilege when they get called out.

    If the media are found to have printed something that is not true, they then insert a microscopic retraction at the back-end of their respective publication which almost no-one reads, but by then of course the damage is done to the targeted party or parties.

    Appeals to the Press Council are an exercise in futility.

    It’s therefore not beyond the realms of possibility that some sort of direct action will one day be taken against a media organisation in NZ, and it’s unlikely to be pretty.

    Why do you think the media takes great pains not to “offend” Muslims?

    Because “offended” Muslims have the capacity and will to blow their building up or shoot their staff, and the media know this, and thus the media kowtow in fear accordingly.

    You don’t see any media trembling at the presence of any other culture or faith, now do you?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 3, 2017

      Well, there is plenty of publicity about ISIS and their deeds, and the press shows this freely. No NZ news service has been blown up for broadcasting these or other extremist events.

      One would hope that the press would not gratuitously offend anyone.

      Your statements are generalistions with nothing to back them up.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  July 3, 2017

    Well if someone shoots a reporter or trump the NRA can at least say guns don’t shoot people,it’s the nuts trump has stirred up…that do the dirty deeds

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2017

      My answer to that question, is probably Yes & No. They could see the advances that this great country has made & the freedoms & opportunities it has provided its citizens. But they would likely be unhappy with where it is at the moment – the civil unrest, the bureaucracy, & the apparent demagoguery of the President. They would, however, have used Twitter like anything. Is my guess.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  July 3, 2017

    Didn’t trump run away from serving his country, flat feet, golfers back some thing like that.He goes to a veterans rally and acts as if he did his bit.

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    • He was a very known quantity to the millions of people who voted for him and those who handed him a decisive mandate of some 77 electoral votes. There wasn’t anything the voters didn’t know about him.

      Trump is endeavouring to implement the changes he was elected to do, nothing more and often considerably less. It is the media who are the aggressors. The political moves they’re railing against are simply the things he said he would do The Wall, illegal aliens, climate change – all campaign promises. It is the media who have started every angle of aggression. He’s literally never end cut a break. The most insane business is the putting of him into the “Trump conspired with Russia” meme. It’s ridiculous that he’s been not only put into this manufactured and imaginary frame, but that the media have spent six months feeding like sharks on a void. He sees himself and not unreasonably as a victim of what, so far, has amounted to nothing but mass hysteria.

      Many will say, as do I, that he should have risen above it and been more of the Statesman. That’s not who he is. Personally I feel he is damned every which way he turns. The media’s depravity plumbs such depths one could hardly credit it. The whole little hands thing – what is that! They’ve all used that meme. Yesterday another liberal legal commentator brought it to the table.

      Also this March chant

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    • No, he acts as if they “did (their) shit”.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 3, 2017

      He dodged the draft 7 times, I think.

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  5. Both Trump and his opponents seem to spend far too much time fighting and trying to destroy each other.

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    • Brown

       /  July 3, 2017

      I know Dunedin is a miserable place but does it suck out humor as well? I think its a bit silly from a president but the smug hand-wringing from the bullshitters that resulted is worth it.

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  6. “Pro wrestling is fake. Being president isn’t. Trump seems not to know or care about that distinction.”

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 3, 2017

      So true,but remember he’s the most handsome,brightest,tallest,strongest,he has won so many wars that he’s bored with winning and not lets talk about the wall and all the trade deals he’s negotiated so in finishing trump is the cats whiskers,bannon says so.

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    • Corky

       /  July 3, 2017

      So is fake news and bias aimed at Trump…even before he was Prez.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2017

        Trump dealt in heaps of fake news before & throughout his campaign Corky. It’s not a one-sided affair in the slightest. His personality filters out anything other than his own perspectives & the pugilistic approach to everything. But he is more complex than I gave him credit for.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 3, 2017

        the media, trump, and the GOP have always been handy with the fake news schtick Corky.

        Just look at the 8 years of abuse that Michelle Obama put up with at the hands of the media… or the Birther BS that trump promoted… or the 7 years of GOP criticisms of Obamacare (yet here the GOP is 7 years later still in disarray over healcare)… or the 2 decades of anti-Clinton rhetoric from the right…

        trump is, of course, an incompetent, crass, and self-absorbed man. But more worrisome to me are the enablers, those who voted for him, who continue to think he is funny or great, and those in government using him to their advantage.

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  7. Whatever we may think about what Trump is doing to the “dignity” of the POTUS he is bringing some well-needed scrutiny to the business of news.

    Let’s not kid ourselves that NBC, CNN, WAPO, NYT, FOX and Theresa of the MSM are anything other than news. They’ve lost all semblance of objectivity and the respect they may have once had. Underpinning any board meeting, directive, editorial choice is the fiscal bottom line. Essentially editorial decisions are absolutely based on bringing home the dollar 💵.

    The degree to which the media focuses on the salacious before salient, click bait before careful curation is deplorable.

    Trump may be a buffoon and he may be undignified, but he sure in hell is illuminating the half truths, the lies ( both by omission and commission) the public are served up.

    At this point in time I am beginning to believe history will see this point in time as a watershed moment. Maybe, just maybe we may see the likes of the Bill O’Reillys, the Rachel Maddows, the Anderson Coopers, the Joy Reids, Morning Joe political agenda shills forced to account more for their unseemly excesses and blatant political favouring.

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    • Not sure who autospell thinks Theresa is😩😩😩😩😩

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2017

        Too me a coupla secs to figure out “Theresa” was “the rest”. I turned off auto correct because it did that sort of thing to me too often. All my typos and grammatical errors are now proudly my own. 😬 😕

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        • Can I do that?

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          • Gezza

             /  July 3, 2017

            Sht! Lol. Only just noticed my “Too” should’ve said “Took”.
            Girls can do anything trav. You of all people should know that. It’ll be in your Settings. Not sure what you’re posting with but in my iPad It’s under General/Keyboard. You have to click on Keyboard to see the menu.

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            • I think the autospell adds a crazy dimension to me I quite like

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Nothing wrong with a little bit of crazy in a woman, imo. Same with alcohol trav. Long as they don’t overdo either. 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              🌸

    • Mefrostate

       /  July 3, 2017

      I agree that click-led journalism is a real threat to our democracy. Interested in what you think we should do about it?

      I personally think that elements of the future media landscape could include:

      State-funded media with strong independence & a transparent charter (in the likes of RNZ, BBC.) Happy for the charter to require balance within sensible limits.

      Crowdfunding of quality organisations (eg. via https://www.presspatron.com/ and propublica), preferably with compulsory anonymity of donors.

      I’ve heard of a proposed model with a compulsory ‘journalism tax’ for all citizens, but they get to select what percentage of their donation goes to each media organisation. Sadly I can’t find

      Keen to hear people’s thoughts.

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      • The problem with State sponsored journalism is that it reflects the political and social agendas of journalists and, in particular, the schools that turn them out. State sponsored journalism rarely reflects the meinung of a broad base of listeners.

        For example I am an avid listener of RNZ the State broadcaster here. I am very interested in the social and community based programming as I am relatively socially liberal. However, I find I need to apply a hefty filter to much political/media commentary content.

        I find that the daily panel has a heavy weighting of liberal progressive leftists, with about 4 exceptions. I find that ecomonics commentary is largely progressively inclined. I find media commentary is grossly biased ( yes Gavin Ellis).

        I can’t even go to the disgraceful advocacy, blatantly anti government propaganda that is John Campbell.

        Until such time as journalism schools truly embrace the need for objectivity over advocacy, I’d rather support private and choice models.

        This unusually reflective and interesting commentary from a Guardian journo.

        https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2017/jun/24/secret-teacher-school-echo-chamber-leftwing-views-labour

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        • Mefrostate

           /  July 3, 2017

          I tend towards the Nine To Noon panel (which includes Matthew Hooton) so I can’t speak to The Panel specifically. But glancing through the last week of guests I can see David Farrar, Michelle Boag and Jordan Williams so it doesn’t seem to be overly awash with progressives.

          But anyway, point taken about balance. This is all why I said “Happy for the charter to require balance within sensible limits.”

          I’m also a little skeptical about relying too heavily on “private and choice models” because I think they’d skew the media into the other direction, given that they’ll end up following the dollars of corporate entities and wealthy individuals.

          It’s certainly an interesting a discussion that sits right at the heart of the flow of political ideas, and is a crucial one for the continued functioning of our democracy.

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          • You’ve named three of the four. The other is Jock (forgotten surname). They have two a day x 5 and there seems to be a standard group of about 15-20.

            You said “I’m also a little skeptical about relying too heavily on “private and choice models” because I think they’d skew the media into the other direction, given that they’ll end up following the dollars of corporate entities and wealthy individuals.”

            The models have always been commercial – apart from state. The impetus is to make money, always has been. My issue is with the political bias of most reporters

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          • Gezza

             /  July 3, 2017

            A difficulty perhaps with the idea of a Media Broadcasting Charter which requires “balance” is that it maybe creates some complexities over exactly what “Balance” means, on what matters it must apply, & how far it extends? Does it mean equal time must be given on matters of topical interest to every party, organisation or individual who wants insist on being allowed to have their say – including, say, racists, or fascists?

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            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              Yeah very interesting points Gezza, and difficult problems to solve! I’d suggest that the Charter would anticipate harsher treatment of the governing party for the sake of holding them to account. And you’d certainly want greater per-capita coverage of smaller parties to help ensure new ideas feed through the political spectrum. But then we might like to avoid giving loud antagonistic radicals (of all creeds) the attention they crave, while exposing their ideas to the sunlight of rational discourse? I don’t have a firm answer on any of this.

              This all comes back to the question of how even to assess media bias without being confounded by one’s personal views (it seems these days that left and right complain about the Herald with equal measure). Perhaps third parties could test this using some transparent tools e.g. fact-checking, subjective or text-mining to assess positive/negative editorial stance, referencing against other media, etc.

            • I get what you mean Gezza, but RNZ, for example, programs extensively on diversity and minority communities, I guess they could reflect those who stand against them. I can imagine if they accurately depicted the baskets and Winston First xenophobia it’d not be pretty picture.
              There are many, many silent racists and bigots sitting in their living rooms raging against immigrants. Does it help or hurt their agenda to not subject their mentality to the light of day?

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Yes. I find these days I am considering voices of people whose views I would once have instantly dismissed as preferably needing to be silenced because they were simply pure prejudice, or at least not to be heeded in any way because they went against my partly empathically-inherent, partly dogmatised notions of fairness, and, say – cultural or religious tolerance.

              Islamic extremism, & thus Islam itself, are among the things that have caused me to come to the conclusion, after some initial reluctance (because it felt “wrong”), that many of these views are either valid, or have some basis for validity – and are issues that not only should, but probably MUST be discussed more widely. It comes back to how free should our Free Press be, and how free should our Free Speech be – and on what topics.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              It’s a bit of a tangent but it’s partly why I’m conflicted by Trump. He certainly ruthless exploits the dog-whistling technique & is unecumbered by respect for absolute truth & accuracy in “winning at all costs”. But to take his anti-immigrant / deport them all rhetoric as an example, it exposed to everyone the simple truth that America had almost lost control of its borders. There are millions of illegal Spanish-speaking immigrants. They are changing the entire ethnic & cultural landscape in some states, among other things. It is altering the relatively homogenous English-speaking society the US had evolved into over a couple if hundred years. We in NZ would not tolerate not being able to manage our borders. It took me a little while to see that.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              @ Mefro – just on this point of yours:
              I’d suggest that the Charter would anticipate harsher treatment of the governing party for the sake of holding them to account

              I don’t whether harsher is quite the right term, but yes, I think there is certainly a need for the government of the day – of whatever colour or mix of banners – to be pretty thoroughly interrogated by media, doggedly where necessary where uncomfortable facts or real issues of concern or interest to the people are being waved away or fudged.

              It’s the nub of the Forth Estate concept. One can’t rely on party MPs to genuinely represent the interests of all their constituents – whatever they themselves might claim.

              But it is certainly getting harder to separate out the journos & interviewers who are doing that from the promoted *stars* indulging their own fantasies of being objective when they have clear & distinct biases & just want to run through a prepared “line of attack list” without actually listening to what their guest is saying & cueing ad hocs off that.

              Or if they just want to show off & be a pain to their guest. I view The Nation as being like this. So much so I’ve pretty much stopped watching it – unless PG posts something which suggests a particular interview may be informative or especially interesting.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              @Gezza. I’m going to skip the Islam & Spanish-speaker discussion for now, I think they’re a bit of a side-show to the discussion at hand about the media. Podriamos hablar sobre esas problemas mas tarde.

              “I think there is certainly a need for the government of the day – of whatever colour or mix of banners – to be pretty thoroughly interrogated by media, doggedly where necessary where uncomfortable facts or real issues of concern or interest to the people are being waved away or fudged.”

              Hear-hear, well said. On this I think everyone except Trump can agree.

              “But it is certainly getting harder to separate out the journos & interviewers who are doing that from the promoted *stars* indulging their own fantasies of being objective when they have clear & distinct biases & just want to run through a prepared “line of attack list” without actually listening to what their guest is saying & cueing ad hocs off that. Or if they just want to show off & be a pain to their guest.”

              I agree, and think we can both happily lump Mike Hosking and John Campbell into this camp. But what about some others?

              Personally, I don’t put The Nation into this camp. I think Lisa Owen and Patrick Gower both do an excellent job of asking biting questions and holding politicians to account, without being influenced by their own biases too much. & I think their panels are usually pretty balanced.

              Kim Hill I think is excellent as well, I like the way she brings her dry attitude into the interview, puts the interviewee through their paces, and allows herself to be impressed or unimpressed by their responses. She actually interviewed my boss a few weeks ago and it was good to have our work put to such a worthy test.

              Guyon Espiner is also very good. I actually appreciate the way he lets his frustrations be heard when the interviewee is dodging or refusing to answer his question.

              Pete George does an excellent job as well 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              @ Mefro – no worries I don’t mind being steered back to the specific issue you’re exploring. I’vd got to go out for a bit but am following this thread with interest. Corin Dann gets my vote for pick of the Political interviewers – in terms of homework, doggedness & respect for his guests. Q&A’s panels can be quite good too. Lisa Owen? Too much of the Gish Gallop for me to hear the guest finish sentences. She’s rude. Gower? Pike River – Men In there with the Robots – Fake News. Fake Reporter, imo.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Your Radio hosts – I agree.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              (PS: Pete George? Quite insightful, occasinally incisive, & shockingly neutral on a great many topics! 😡

              Oughta be a law … 😉)

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              “Lisa Owen? Too much of the Gish Gallop for me to hear the guest finish sentences. She’s rude.”

              Do you have an example of one or two instances that have bothered you? I’m not disagreeing, I think it will be interesting to explore the differences in how we perceive her style.

              “Gower? Pike River – Men In there with the Robots – Fake News. ”

              I had a look at the article below. I do agree that it feels like both the written and visual presentation of the men working on the robot creates the impression that they were deeper into the mine than they were in actuality. But the rest seems like a faithful representation of the facts, with decent journalism with regard to talking to experts and presenting both the govt and Dunbar’s perspective. So it’s certainly a slight mark again Gower, but within a fine body of work.

              http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/video-inside-the-pike-river-mine-what-police-never-showed-the-families.html

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              @Mefro
              Re: Podriamos hablar sobre sus problemas mas tarde.
              Mais oui, bien sur, un autre jour peut-etre?
              https://yournz.org/2016/07/08/guest-post-muslim-immigration/
              When you are ready.

              On Lisa Owen, I’ve been trying to remember when it was. May have been last year or early this year. I recall starting to find her fixated approach irritating last year. If you can find her awful interview with Samantha Power, tell me what you think?

              The two interviews that finally induced me to stop watching The Nation regularly were, I think, seen on two successive weekend. In one she interviewed Gerry Brownlee (whom I mostly don’t rate), & in the other, I think, it might have been Te Ururoa Flavell (whom I rather like but who is one of those Maori kaumatua who ramble a little in making their point. Ok on a marae in a formal powhiri with manuhiri perhaps, but admittedly maybe frustrating in a time-bound setting.)

              She interrupted them both. Constantly. Every 3 seonds or less. Talked over the top of them throughout the entire interview. Both of them were attempting to answer her original questions & then her spandau rapid fire interrogatories. They never got to finish a bloody sentence, it seemed to me. I wanted to hear what they had to say – not what she thought they meant before they had even said it.

              The interview segments on both Q&A and the Nation are sometimes too short. On The Nation it’s more noticeable because Lisa is impatient & overbearing. Patrick, well, ok, you & I can agree to disagree perhaps.

              You didn’t mention Corin Dann – your view on him?

              When it comes to balanced political perspectives – where are the debates between the politicians? Why are they only ever thought about at elections?

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2017

    The internet is just democracy writ large: messy, rude, selfish, generous, intelligent, stupid, funny, sick – all messed up. It’s a genie out of its bottle that can’t be put back.

    We are going to have to learn to live and work with it. On the whole I think it is healthier than the manufactured consensus and compliance we used to get from our media.

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  9. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 3, 2017

    Don’t fall for the distraction. These tweets always come out for a reason.

    In the last 3 days, two well-substantiated reports have come from the Washington Post showing direct collusion between Russia and trump’s campaign

    trumpcare is so far down the toilet that Mitch McConnell has shelved voting on it until after the Indepencence Day break

    last week his raw misogyny was put back up on display, both with his crude insults to Brzezinski, and his sexual harrassment of Irish journalist Caitriona Perry (during a phone call with the Irish Prime Minister, ffs!)

    his policy to resolve the Isreal/Palestine impasse became shark bait last week

    also last week trump was expopsed for his fake Time mag covers. WTF? Really? He’s appeared on 7 or 8 Time covers legitimately…yet he feels the need to Fake-News another cover???

    only 2 weeks ago trump declared his policy on N. Korea was dead in the water

    trump promised to find a cheaper, better healthcare system that covered everyone. Instead, he has allowed others to offer up a monstrosity in his name that strips healthcare from 20-something million people

    he promised new jobs. Instead, he walked away from an historic global climate agreement that had perfectly positioned America to lead a $10 trillion renewable energy revolution generating hundreds of thousands of good, new jobs in states that voted for him

    There are plenty of other examples like these from the past few weeks. But they all point to the same root cause – trump is failing as a president because he has no one around him that he trusts to give him non-sycophantic advice, and who will deliver for him on bread-and-butter issues that matter to people outside of the Washington beltway.

    and in breaking news it looks like the trump University scam is about to go back to court

    Eye on the ball traveller. He’s in the process of being found out and he’s in panic mode.

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    • Where’s the reveal on his direct collusion with Russia?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 3, 2017

      This one’s for you, Joe. All your favourite sources, I’m sure:
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/liberal-fever-swamps/530736/

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 3, 2017

        Thanks Sir Alan – ever the gentleman… So here’s one for you – Republican Senator Ben Sasse, who has one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate:

        Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse said Sunday that he is troubled by President Donald Trump’s latest attacks on the news media because he is concerned about the danger of “weaponizing distrust,” which can harm the freedoms that define a democracy.

        while “(t)here are a whole bunch of particular journalists who should be called out for particular stories that aren’t good enough,” it is “not helpful to call the press the enemy of the American people” — a direct reference to language used by the President to describe journalists….

        Sasse said that while he agrees with Trump “that there’s a lot of crappy journalism out there,” if Americans are not open to hearing differing views, it’s “going to be possible for people to surround themselves only with echo chambers and silos of people that already believe, only believe what they believe.”

        http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/02/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-media-attacks/index.html

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 3, 2017

          That horse has bolted, Joe. The MSM has divided already and its viewers and readers with it. There is no impartial source respected by all. There is no market for it either. The Senate itself must now be in question as to whether it serves any useful purpose.

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          • There’s literally not a commentariat within the US (or anywhere ftm), that can claim to be objective. Not a one. quite the opposite in fact!

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2017

    Ah, yes, the renewable energy rort. As posted yesterday: https://yournz.org/2017/07/02/open-forum-sunday-134/#comment-199031

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2017
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  12. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 3, 2017

    snowflake trump behaving like a juvenile – Another morning, another round of intensely personal Twitter invective :

    http://www.npr.org/2017/07/02/535267439/trump-tweets-clip-of-him-bodyslamming-cnn-network-says-do-your-job

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 3, 2017

      CNN says don’t respond while we continuously insult and denigrate you.

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      • Mefrostate

         /  July 3, 2017

        Show me examples of CNN insulting Trump.

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          • Mefrostate

             /  July 3, 2017

            That’s MSNBC.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 3, 2017

            Fair call. But here, take your pick:
            http://tinyurl.com/y8lo7u9s

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            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              Well, this one returns 4 results: http://tinyurl.com/y7e2lgt6

              Drop the quotation marks and it’s all about Trump insulting the media. Seems like he’s both an egg and a chicken.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              Lots of snowflakes aren’t there?

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snowflake

              You’ll like numbers 6 and 7 especially.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Lol
              (No he won’t. Bet he’ll whinge about it!) 😀

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/snowflake

              So your snowflakes have their own dictionary like Alice in Wonderland, Mefro? I guess that’s not surprising as they have been calling themselves liberals for a long time when they are anything but.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 3, 2017

              From your link: “someone hypersensitive to insult or offense,” “a Caucasian person” and “a type of lesion.” All three sound a lot like your daddy Trump.

              Anyway, I don’t like myself when I stoop to your level and rely on insults. Shall we stop here, or would you like to return to your unsubstantiated that CNN have been insulting Trump and your attempts to justify his need to make personal attacks (rather than a reasoned response) toward anyone who dares to criticises him?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              How many do you need:

              CNN Mocks Trump’s ‘Covfefe’ Tweet. There’s Only One Problem | Daily …
              http://www.dailywire.com/…/cnn-mocks-trumps-covefefe-tweet-theres-only-one-amanda-pr...
              Jun 2, 2017 – On Wednesday, CNN sought to mock President Donald Trump for his late-night tweet scolding the mainstream media for their biased coverage of him, in which he spelled the word coverage as “covfefe.” … Discussing the spelling error on Wednesday’s Anderson Cooper 360, CNN ironically had …
              CNN Mocks Trump Press Conference With Epic Tweet (Video)
              http://www.thewrap.com/cnn-mocks-trump-press-conference-with-epic-tweet/
              Feb 17, 2017 – CNN got back at Donald Trump on Thursday after the cable news network was the target of repeated attacks during a bizarre press conference …
              On Good Friday, CNN Mocks Trump for ‘Forgetting’ About WH Easter …
              http://www.newsbusters.org/…/good-friday-cnn-mocks-trump-forgetting-about-wh-easter-e...
              Apr 14, 2017 – After a week of mild coverage towards Trump’s military actions overseas, apparently the news media couldn’t take it anymore and started …
              CNN Mocks Trump’s Rocky Start, Compares to Others’ First 100 Days
              http://www.newsbusters.org/…/cnn-mocks-trumps-rocky-start-compares-others-first-100-da...
              Feb 16, 2017 – CNN took the time during Wednesday’s edition of The Lead to take jabs at President Donald Trump for not being able to get much done during …
              Glass House: CNN Mocks Trump on ‘covfefe’ Typo, Misspells ‘Cheif …
              https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/…/glass-house-cnn-mocks-trump-covfefe-typ…
              Jun 2, 2017 – Karma can be a wonderful thing when the unexpected happens to those who arrogantly believe they are intellectually superior to everyone …
              CNN Mocks Trump as “Captain Obvious,” – Legal Insurrection
              legalinsurrection.com/2017/04/david-gregory-mocks-trump-thanks-captain-obvious/
              Apr 28, 2017 – Whichever poison you picked this morning—CNN or MSNBC—you would have been treated to snide shots at President Trump. On CNN …

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 4, 2017

              I’ve been really curious what sort of narratives people have to be absorbing in order to maintain the view that Trump is even slightly competent. Really appreciate you sharing these links, Alan.

              None of them make CNN look particularly good, but they don’t justify Trump’s behaviour to me either.

  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2017

    Meanwhile, in the real world, Trump’s policies and practices are succeeding:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/07/02/the_crumbling_isis_caliphate_134352.html

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 3, 2017

      You’re trying to rewrite history again Sir Alan…

      trump’s “policies and practices” on ISIS are pretty much identical to Obama’s… In fact, they’re something like the consensus view of politicians on both sides of the Atlantic for most of the post-9/11 period.

      The issue that you’re happy to overlook is that trump’s Middle Eastern efforts are destabilising the region. By improving relations with some allies, Trump has worsened relations with others. Along the way, he has jeopardised American national security interests.

      His policies and practices have resulted in US troops opening fire three times in the last month on Iranian-backed forces fighting against ISIS in Syria. Then there’s his condemnation and mockery of Qatar, a long-time US ally and home to a massive US military base. That condemnation contradicted efforts from Tillerson and Mattis that called on the Saudi-led bloc to drop its blockade of Qatar – (the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing)

      Meanwhile trump is willfully blind to the longstanding support Saudis have provided for terrorism, the number of Saudis complicit in anti-American terrorism, and the Saudi support and codification of sharia supremacism

      So as far as policy goes trump’s hardly succeeding.

      Then there’s trumpycare, the poison pill of healthcare that’s so toxic even trump describes it as “mean”…

      trumps policies and practices are succeeeding? bullshit – you’re delusional

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 3, 2017

        “Destabilized the Middle East”?!! Hahahahaha ….

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        • Mefrostate

           /  July 3, 2017

          Good point

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        • Gezza

           /  July 3, 2017

          No I agree with Joe, Alan. Trump & co are blundering about in the Middle East, being quite cleverly managed, imo, by Netanyahu among others. Qatar is the country with the sensible policies for managing the Sunni / Shia & other territorial conflicts there. The Saudis are the last country they should be backing with arms & moral support. They are behind & / or responsible (via funding of madrassas etc) for much of the Fundamentalist religious conflict & mischief there, in other countries with large Muslim fundamentalist populations, & in the West where we now have the refugee / separatist & terrorist attack problems. ISIS will lose its territory – but ISIS & Al Qaeda will not go away.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 3, 2017

            I don’t claim to know anything about the ME but it does seem there are changes brewing in Saudi Arabia so maybe Trump is on the right side of them? And Iran is flexing muscles with Iraq shattered so Qatar may just be inviting trouble being conciliatory.

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          • Gezza

             /  July 3, 2017

            Qatar? With the only (& very big) military base in the Middle East – and 15,000 Americans in the country?

            Why is that base not in Saudi, do you think?

            No, Qatar is good people Al.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              I didn’t say they aren’t good. I said they may be inviting trouble.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Apologies Alan. That is true. In my view it will turn out to be the Saudis who have invited trouble. The Qataris now have new & powerful friends, Turkey among them. Tillerson knows the score, his trouble is persuading others in the Trump administration they need to think for themselves & do a bit of reading. The Qataris have a big US base in their rohe. The attempted Saudi coup & annexation has had the perverse result of, instead of forcing Qatar to break with its balanced approach of Islamic brother to brother dialogue, fair hearing & fair treatment, looking after fellow Muslims or their families expelled from their own countries & impoverished in the process – creating stronger bonds & new allies. Trump needs to take a back seat, & let T-Rex bring him up to speed, not Jared.

            • Jim Mattis and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, hold views on Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood that are virtually indistinguishable from those in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              @G, Turkey is a problem, not a solution.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              @ Al. It’s a problem for Saudi, UAE, Bahrain & Egypt, Alan. They weren’t anticipating that. And so yes, for America too. Jared & Bibi weren’t anticipating it either. Trumpy is away with the fairies on Fox. Others are doing his thinking for him on this one.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              I’ll put it to you this way, Alan. Saudi Arabia’s leadership is cunning. Qatar’s leadership is wise.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 3, 2017

              Turkey was already a problem for the EU. Trump is strengthening the Kurds and preparing to contain Turkey and extract its bases from there.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2017

              Yup – keep yaw eye on The Vladimir & The Recep.

  14. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 3, 2017

    Fighting words from Roy Cohn, the man who taught trump about publicity, and a lawyer who spent 2/3 of his working life under indictment for one charge or another:

    obtain a sharp lawyer, take your adversaries to court at every opportunity, accuse the opponents of doing what you yourself are guilty of, and fight ferociously on all fronts to protect your lies

    Could be a leaf from trump’s very own playbook

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  15. One of the MOST hypocritical Trump critics out there – Christian leader Il Papa.


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  16. Kevin

     /  July 3, 2017

    So the MSM can mock Trump with impunity but the moment he gets their number he’s not fit to be president?

    By the way Donald and Vince are BFFs. Not only has Trump given the middle finger to CNN he’s also done a favour for a mate but getting world-wide publicity for his friend’s company. Brilliant!

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  17. Zedd

     /  July 3, 2017

    honestly…the guy carries on like a spoiled brat with too much time on his hands

    another one who thinks ‘I know best & everyone else is just wrong’ (sounds familiar;JK)

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  18. lurcher1948

     /  July 3, 2017

    What really makes me laugh is that we are talking about this boring orange buffon as if he’s our president and leader.Think if you had to deal with this person, leader to leader you would sigh a lot.

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  19. Conspiratoor

     /  July 3, 2017

    Its a beautiful thing indeed watching erstwhile bloggers trying to rationalise and explain away Trump tweets. Like Pavlovs dog Trump has the fake media fully trained now to bark when he whistles. Throw one out when they’ve hit he scratcher and he dominates the next news cycle. The fools would miss it if he declared war on NK.
    Meantime his voting base remain focused on the substance

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    • What’s left of his voter base – and many of those, perhaps half or more, were never his base, they just chose to vote for him.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  July 3, 2017

        Evidence that ‘half or more just chose to vote for him?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 3, 2017

        Trump’s approval remains around 40%. National’s support in the latest Colmar Brunton poll is 40.7% after adjusting for no responses.

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        • They are quite different measures. One person’s approval/disapproval versus multiple party preferences.

          Did you allow for no responses in Trump’s approval?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 3, 2017

            Bill English on 29% then?

            Yes, Trump Approve 40.0%, Disapprove 54.5%, No Response 5.5%

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2017

      I get an intense pain behind the eyes when you get something right. And an itch in the right index finger when you’re wrong. Right now my eyes hurt.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  July 3, 2017

        I know you to be an astute observer of the human condition G …so your observation comes as no surprise. Cheers,c

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