Open Forum – Wednesday

5 July 2017

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38 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  July 5, 2017

    A comment from G on yesterday’s world watch made me think of this image. I just had to dig it up and post it for you. Sums up the world I think.

    • Gezza

       /  July 5, 2017

      That’s brilliant!! 😃

      • Missy

         /  July 5, 2017

        I thought so! 😀

        • Gezza

           /  July 5, 2017

          You’re not just another pretty ankle mate.

          🇳🇿 Problem ➡️ 🗣🗣 ➡️ Solution ❓

    • Corky

       /  July 5, 2017

      Why have those dudes with the blue flag closed shop?

      • Gezza

         /  July 5, 2017

        3 blue flags. You mean the one over the ditch?

        • Corky

           /  July 5, 2017

          Right hand column, five down. If it’s the Swiss flag my question is answered.

  2. Corky

     /  July 5, 2017

    Here’s a study that is surplus to requirements. I, and others, could have given these researchers all the information they required. As it is, when they state a third of parents still give their children a smack, I would say close to, or just over, fifty percent of parents still give their kids a smack.

    No one ever thinks to ask parents how they feel after giving an obnoxious brat a good smack? Relaxing would be my guess.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94166691/many-kiwi-parents-still-consider-smacking-as-an-acceptable-way-to-parent

    • Heaven knows I am not perfect and not as a parent in particular. I have good cause to question myself and my husband’s actions and judgement at a few junctures.

      That said, I made the decision not to smack before I had them and stuck to it. My childhood was a smacking one. It never did me any good, made me resentful and my perception was that it was all about the parent’s anger, fear or frustration and, though it was claimed as such, nothing about raising me to be obedient, compliant or socially adjusted.

      I had my children in quick succession and consequently I was under a lot of pressure for a number of years, starting a business to boot and having the usual stresses and pressures of life. All parents know it’s a hard job, but I’ve got to say in all honesty the decision once made was easy to keep. One of mine at seven, (after threatening to call Welfare on me for deprivation of a bike for some misdemeanour) asked me if they could have a smack instead!!! I think non smacking is a more tedious way to parent, it’s tiring with even more explanations and discussion than smackers have, but I’m happy with the way they turned out, as are my friends who smacked theirs.

      Smacking to me is ALL about the parent, not the child.

      • Gezza

         /  July 5, 2017

        Heaven knows I am not perfect
        I’m keeping a list. It’s not very long.

        • There’s you and God and Buddha Gezz. That’s a start

          • Gezza

             /  July 5, 2017

            (You should see Al’s it’s 2 pages. Don’t tell him.)

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 5, 2017

              When you’re married there is no need to keep a list of your imperfections. There’s no point in two people doing it.

            • Gezza

               /  July 5, 2017

              Mine were in a Black Notebook.

      • Corky

         /  July 5, 2017

        I can’t disagree with you in any way. You have chosen a course of action as a parent and I respect that. But, where is the respect for parents who use smacking as part of their toolbox? And I have to say, most parents I know, smack as a last resort.

      • duperez

         /  July 5, 2017

        Having said that last bit, the parent is actually fairly important.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 5, 2017

        Smacking to me is ALL about the parent, not the child.

        Not entirely, trav. We had two kids. One never got spanked. The other did once. It was deserved.

  3. Corky

     /  July 5, 2017

    With AI making a far faster impact on economies and jobs then anticipated, governments are being told a universal income may become essential.

    From x-ray technicians to hamburger flippers, all eventually will become redundant. We only have to look at drone use to understand the speed of change, and the economic impact.

    So, the government of Ontario is trialing a three year guaranteed income pilot study using three different groups receiving various cash benefits.

    Yanis Varoufakis, Greek economist, academic and politician, who served as the Greek Minister of Finance, is featured in a clip in the link below. His speech will bring tears to the eyes of Lefties, and deep ruminations for the rest of us. Scary stuff.

    http://basicincome.org/

  4. unitedtribes2

     /  July 5, 2017

    The Greens should adopt Team NZ as their mascot. They use wind and bicycles more efficiently than anyone else in the world

  5. Corky

     /  July 5, 2017

    Here’s a problem for my bias against Muslims and Islam. It is why I suggested Muslims in the West sign a document pledging their allegiance to Western values while in the West. A true believing Muslim would have a problem with that, and one who fained the process would give away tell tale signs to a skilled observer.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/07/the-atheist-muslim/

    • ” in the West sign a document pledging their allegiance to Western values while in the West”

      If that is going to be required why shouldn’t everyone have to do it?

      Good like getting agreement on “Western values”.

      • Corky

         /  July 5, 2017

        Muslims are a special case. True believers can only be controlled, not integrated. Although I would have no objection to everybody signing a pledge of allegiance. They already do to a degree.

        Western values:

        1- Democracy
        2- Freedom to practice your religion. The same respect to be applied to others.
        3- Understanding Christianity was, and is, an integral part of Western culture. Islam is not.
        4- Understand women are equals.
        5- Understand the West is predominately secular and liberal, both in culture and politics.
        6- Understand Islam will not be extended special rights above other ethnic groups.( Maori exempt)
        7- Understand FGM, honour killings, imported religious hate, gay bashing and killing, be headings and the burqa are not part of Western culture. Practice any of these and you will be jailed then deported and your passport cancelled.

        I’m the first to concede we still have some way to go with some of these points. But we have the ideals always before us.

        • patupaiarehe

           /  July 5, 2017

          One for you, Corky…

          • Corky

             /  July 5, 2017

            Yep, nothing more need be said.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 5, 2017

              I disagree Corky, this needs to be said. Muslims should be free to practice their backward beliefs here, within our laws. We already tolerate the backward beliefs of the Mormons, the ‘JW’s’, Scientologists, etc. What shouldn’t, and must not be tolerated, is extremism & hatred of others. From members of any belief system.

            • Corky

               /  July 5, 2017

              I may not have been clear. Muslims would be allowed to practice their religion. However, no more Muslim immigration would be tolerated if I was in charge.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 5, 2017

              And exactly how would you enforce that, Corky? Make everyone in the arrivals lounge say “Mohammed is a cunt”, before they could walk past customs???

            • Corky

               /  July 5, 2017

              Listen , you prat. If you want to play games, say so. I wondered why you posted the pics…it’s not your style. You rarely engaged me. Now we know why.

              I could answer your question… but your foul language precludes an answer. Go join an interfaith group….lol.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 5, 2017

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 5, 2017

              You need to stop being so insensitive, Corky… 😉

          • Corky

             /  July 5, 2017

            Yep, nothing more need be said….sucker!

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 5, 2017

              How am I a sucker, when you are the one replying? 😛

            • Gezza

               /  July 6, 2017

              this needs to be said. Muslims should be free to practice their backward beliefs here, within our laws. We already tolerate the backward beliefs of the Mormons, the ‘JW’s’, Scientologists, etc.

              And we should be free to tell them their beliefs are wrong & can cause harm. Without the fear if the community is large & many are strngly devout, one of them might try to kill us for that.

  6. patupaiarehe

     /  July 5, 2017

    Jeezus! Seriously you lot, we live in the greatest country in the world, little wonder all these foreigners want to come here…
    Kiwis will appreciate this meme, foreigners might not. ‘Your Mama’ jokes, are said pretty regularly in a Kiwi workshop, and no Kiwi takes them seriously…

  7. Gezza

     /  July 6, 2017

    Most people who feel they have been attacked will slap you back. Eventually. Then move on. They don’t worry about it. That’s normal. If you can’t let go, if you hate them now, forever, or every other time they disagree with you, and you think they are putting you down because they dismiss your point of view, so you start attacking them all the time, even silently, so that they don’t know who it is & you hope not knowing hurts them, that’s not normal. Something is wrong. You cannot ever be happy when you think like this. Most people don’t. Sure, there are bad people around. But very, very few. You are being hurt by people who don’t mean to hurt you. Not seeing things the way you do doesn’t make them bad. And they re not being hurt by what you do. You are.