Open Forum – Friday

7 July 2017

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166 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  July 7, 2017

    @ Blazer.
    You asked me the other day how I would define success in life. I’ve been mulling that over. I think you have succeeded in life when you’ve got whatever you want the most, you are happy, and your happiness doesn’t depend on anybody else doing or not doing what you’d like.

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      I’ll add another little gem for you too. To get what you want in life you have to do whatever it takes. If you won’t or can’t do whatever it takes, you have to change what you want – to whatever you can get for whatever you can or will do.

      You can’t expect someone else to give what you want you want in life. They’re busy doing whatever it takes to get whatever they want.

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        Sorry, I’m feeling philosophical today. At least I can do it with a lot fewer words than some other people with a philosphical bent, I hope. Gotta go. Need to drop the fibre conduit a couple of mm at each end to stop windblown leaves getting trapped in it – the installer techi guy just phoned & said it won’t disrupt the fibre connection.

        • Gezza

           /  July 7, 2017

          Yup. No worries. All done. Just have to whack a blob of paint over the filled old holes later when the filler’s set. 💪

          Techie’s a nice chap. He said – do you need me to come & help? Phsaww! Foreigners eh? Kiwi bloke here. I only ever need help from a professional when whatever I’ve just done has exploded, caught fire, collapsed something next door, flooded the place, or blown all the lights. 🇳🇿 👍 😎

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            🌸

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Where’s Al? Laundry must’ve backed up or something? 😳

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              Just back from a day trip to Kerikeri and a movie – “McLaren” Great film, amazing story very well told.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              .. a good example for answering your question about success in life.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              … and death. The man built a legacy based on his relationships with great people and high ambition mixed with unassuming hands-on modesty.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              You’ll never have to suffer from that last trait, Al. 👍

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              How little you know of me, G. Lots of hands on everything and modest as the day is long.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017



              I’ll discuss this further with a colleague in November & get back to you.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              I’m too modest to care, G.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              What size jacket are you, Al?
              Jacket – not hat!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              Any size, G, because I always lose them.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              You’d need to be Houdini to lose the one I’m thinking of.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              Fantasising again, G.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Of course. Keeps me off the streets Al.
              … … …
              MCLAREN (2016)
              Pioneer. Leader. Father. Champion.
              Documentary telling the story of Bruce McLaren, the Kiwi founder of the McLaren Motor Racing team. From the director of The World’s Fastest Indian

              Movie Review: McLaren
              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11866129

              I was thinking it would be more like The World’s Fastest Indian. How do you rate the review above, Alan, compared to your viewing of it?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 7, 2017

              For me it was much better than the World’s Fastest Indian because it was more based on real people and contemporary film. And a lot of those people were outstanding in their own rights.

              I think the reviewer commented from the point of view of art and I judged it from the point of view of life.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Ok. Think I’ll go see it.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Have to say – this Fibre connection’s nothing to write home about yet. No faster response via Chrome on the iPad than on the copper connection.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 7, 2017

              G, a couple of quick thoughts on fibre. When the gf turns up with her 6 kids by different fathers. each with an iPhone, that old copper pipe would choke up. Makes no diff to fibre. But fibre is only maxed between local servers. As soon as it goes offshore via the pacific cable it’s no faster than that smelly old copper

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Techie said it would crank up with use when it had built up a few connections, like synapses or dendrils or whatever in the brain. This is probably not the thread or the device to test it on really. Once a few music and/or other vids get posted Chrome and or the iPad brain seem to run out of RAM Or something before it finishes loading the thread.
              Spark’s got a page where can go get further info about de wondaz a de fibers. Mustafa Shufti sometime.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Speaking of smelly old copper, what are ya reckons on the latest in Barclay schmozle?

  2. Missy

     /  July 7, 2017

    Okay everyone, I am after a bit of help, and with all the experts here hopefully one of you will be able to assist.

    I need someone who knows about the history of first names, specifically the use of first names by different religious groups about 200-300 years ago in the UK.

    I am doing my genealogy, and I have come across an unusual name from the late 18th / early 19th century, at least in a family of Williams and Johns it seems a little unusual to me. I have just come across this individual, and am not sure of any other family connected to him – except he had a son William and a father John.

    Anyway, his name is Nehemiah. Being an old testament Hebrew name, I would have associated it with the Jewish community as opposed to a CofE family, but I have been told that there was a renaissance of old testament names in England, but the person who told me wasn’t sure exactly when this was (though I understand Biblical names came into use in the Early Middle Ages in the UK).

    So, it would be great if someone knows and could enlighten me as to whether there is a possibility that this branch of the family may have been Jewish or if it is a case that at that time the trend for names was for old testament biblical names.

    Thanks in advance to all. 🙂

    • Missy

       /  July 7, 2017

      WTF????? Okay, whoever down ticked this please tell me your problem with what I wrote, don’t be such a coward and downtick and run. Please tell me what you object to about me doing my genealogy and trying to unravel my past – or are you too much of a coward to do that?

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        Don’t worry about the PDT. May have just just come off the night shift job. Has unresolved anger issues, imo. Keeps getting hurt, can’t let it go & lashes out – might learn to deal with better it one day.

        • Gezza

           /  July 7, 2017

          Bugger. *might learn to deal with it better one day.

          🤔 Maybe there were some things it was worth continuing to be a perfectionist over?

        • Missy

           /  July 7, 2017

          Not too worried, but s/he needs to be called out now and then and challenged on his/her cowardice in not owning up to what they object to, and explaining what they don’t like.

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            Definitely a he.

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              I have an inkling of one or two it might be, but I don’t want to make assumptions, hence the politically correct gender inclusive language. 😉

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            No that’s not why he does it. He hates you because he thinks you belittled him sometime. So, downticking anybody he hates he thonks will upset them, & that makes him happy. It’s all screwed up in his head. Probably quite a loner, in job too.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Sht! * thonks = thinks.
              (I’ll eat this BP steak pie I just dashed out & bought for brekky. That should make me sharpen up! Hopefully.)

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              Oh dear. Well if he can’t deal with criticism of his ideas / thoughts then he shouldn’t post on a blog site.

              Guess calling him a coward doesn’t help matters either…. oops, how sad.

              No sympathy if he thinks I belittle him sometimes, if he doesn’t like what I say he can comment, to just downtick and not challenge is childish and cowardly in my opinion.

              I will uptick, but I don’t downtick comments here, if I feel strongly I will challenge and comment.

              I guess though I will stop trying to wind him up since it probably won’t help at all.

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              Steak pie for brekky?? That isn’t a brekky G, you should be eating something like a Full English, or muesli, or yogurt and fruit, or porridge… not a steak pie!

              (though the BP one’s aren’t too bad…. and now I want one!). *sigh*

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              😳
              I’m gonna have a mandarin soon? Is it ok if I eat some vegies later? I go on & off the meusli & cereals. If I don’t want em I won’t force em. Steak pie’s a rare treat nowadays.

              I need a steak pie today. So that when Corky appears I’m “Sharp as, bro”.

              This Fibre connection mine isn’t as fast yet as I thought it would be. The techie installer said it would crank up with use over the next 24 hours or so though.

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              well, i suppose if you have a mandarin soon and veggies later an occasional steak pie for brekky could pass….

              though might I be bold and recommend in future save the steak pie for lunch and go for a full english for breakfast. 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Hmm. Ok, but it’s quite unlike you to be so bold … 😉

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              I do break out of my shell now and then. 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Think my mandarin had legionnaire’s disease.

              Baby gourmet potatoes (5) microwaved
              Birds Eye Microwave steam veges – broccoli, julienned carrots, corn
              New World lamb steak – grilled to perfection in sandwich press
              Continental light brown gravy – stirred, not shaken.

              Full Naki-Irish breakfast. 👍
              18.46 hours

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              Your poor mandarin, I hope you put it out of its misery painlessly.

              The rest sounds really good. Tonight it is moussaka for me. 😀

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Oh yes. A simple excision of two segments & it was right as rain.
              Lack of exercise I suspect. Too much time just hanging around doing nothing but get bigger.

              Don’t think I’ve ever actually had moussaka. Looks nice. Reckon I’d like that.

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              Glad to hear it was simple and painless for the mandarin. 😉

              The hibernation gene in winter promotes hanging around doing nothing but get bigger, don’t worry about it until Spring.

              Moussaka is nice, kind of like a lasagne, but not pasta, usually with eggplant or potato, and some will have a egg thickened sauce rather than béchamel, oh and a bit less cheese!

              Really good, I prefer it to lasagne to be honest, not quite as stodgy and rich. I highly recommend Moussaka.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Yeah, I just can’t get into pasta. Tasteless & unfulfilling. No wonder all the Eyties usually just surrendered at the first shot from the Kiwis in North Africa.

              Do you use eggplant or spuds?

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              I eat pasta, but not really a fan of lasagne, I tend to make ‘sauces’ with loads of veggies and flavour (chilli, ginger, herbs etc) and add pasta for a bit of carbs.

              Hmmm… hard question G, I am more of a potato person, but I love potatoes any way, however, eggplant is pretty good too. My suggestion is whichever veg you prefer, because if you don’t really like eggplant (for example) you won’t enjoy the moussaka since the eggplant (or potato) takes the place of the pasta.

              Make sure you use lamb mince though, it is nicer (in my opinion) than using beef mince.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              It’s bloody hard to beat a spud in this whare. In fact it’s nigh on impossible. Rice gets an occasional chance to try.

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              here too G, I love a spud.

              rice and pasta will get an occasional look in.

            • I grew up on spuds (and bread). Rice was a very occasional and unwelcome attempt at desert. Pasta was solely from a can, usually plonked on toast.

              Now our household would have pasta at least as often as spuds as a main course, and rice is often in the mix too. Also couscous. Sometimes nachos.

              Kiwi cooking culture has come a long way in my lifetime.

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              I think most of us of a certain era (or two) grew up on spuds, I did prefer the new potatoes over summer to be honest. We didn’t have rice pudding, more traditional crumbles and trifles, with the old stand by of fruit and ice cream.

              I usually have couscous for lunch not dinner, but yeah pasta and rice will make an appearance for dinner, but also for lunches at work. I am not really a huge fan of nachos to be honest, I prefer tacos.

              Yep, kiwi cooking culture is much different to when I was a kid, though I was a little more exotic than many I went to school with as I have a Chinese aunt who used to cook for us now and then including curry which horrified my uncle (I was 3 when she first gave me curry). 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Mum’s rice pud has never been beaten. With cream.
              Bread & Butter Pudding. With cream.
              Sago Pudding. With cream.
              Apple Crumble. With cream.
              Home preserved peaches, plums, nectarines, apricots – with cream.

              [Mum there’s no cream! Can you save the top of the milk for me?. Yes dear!]

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              there’s a theme with those puddings G…

              with all that cream you aren’t a Waikato boy by any chance? 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              @ Missy

              Ko Taranaki toku maunga
              Ko Waiwhakaiho toku awa
              Ko Fitzroy – Rewarewa toku hapu

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              G, my Maori isn’t really up to scratch but I gather from that you aren’t a Waikato boy, ah well your loss. 😉

              Must just be a Kiwi thing liking cream with pudding! 😀

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              I was born & grew up in New Plymouth Missy. I’m a Taranaki boy. The suburb I grew up in is Fitzroy, my mountain is the most beautiful in the land, the Waiwhakaiho river I spent much time in or near was 5 minutes walk away. They both still pull on my heart on first view whenever I return. Taranaki is solid dairy country, not just the Energy Province. The farmers from Taranaki and the farmers from the Waikato are basically the same species. Some of my whanau still dairy farm in Waikato.

          • Wear it as a badge of honour. Their meaningless, small life, at least as normal people understand it, renders them incapacitated and tending to the sociopathic.
            You, otoh, are interesting, intelligent, considered and have a breadth of life and experience unfathomable to the downticker.

            Have pity.

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              Thanks for the kind words Trav, and ditto to you. 🙂

              I am in good company with the PDT, so I don’t feel too singled out! Nice to know I am annoying someone, I would be worried if I wasn’t!! 😉

      • The down ticker, the phantom fingerer, device man.

        This guy

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      I don’t think it is all that unusual. Dunno if this is any help, but there seem to be quite a few people in places like the US Southern states where Christians have frequently used & maybe still Biblical names like Jacob, Aaron, Jed (Clampett), Zebediah. I’ve always thought it was maybe a Puritan-derived connection.

      • Missy

         /  July 7, 2017

        Thanks G, I guess I am looking at it in context of my genealogy so far, which is lots of William, Charles, James, John etc and it kind of stuck out when I came across it. There seems to only be two in 250 years in my family, and they both are back in that period.

        I know around then there were problems with the Jewish Naturalisation Bill being passed then repealed, and I think improving relations with the Jewish community, but no Jewish emancipation until the early 1800’s, so I wondered about secrecy around their faith, or maybe conversion to CofE but retained heritage through names.

        All speculation until I do more research of course.

    • patupaiarehe

       /  July 7, 2017

      Names are an interesting subject, Missy. It is a label that one wears their whole life, so we chose our children’s carefully. Our boys were all given very masculine labels, and our daughter a very feminine one. All of them wouldn’t stand out as being different, when the ‘roll is called’.

      • Missy

         /  July 8, 2017

        As you say, a very interesting subject, and how names are chosen is very interesting. There was a discussion on the radio about names yesterday after Jacod Rees-Mogg’s child being named Sixtus.

        You sound very sensible about the naming of your children, nothing worse than having a name that stands out as different.

        My real name was given to me by the nurses at the hospital according to my mother. The name they chose for me was the most common for girls in the two weeks before I was born, so my parents were trying to think of a new name, one of the nurses thought I looked like a [name withheld] and my parents went with it. Not unusual, but also not common as muck, so a happy balance. 🙂

        Not many children, however, are given names that they suit from birth, I think most grow into their names.

        I was doing a little more research online today, and it seems that Nehemiah may have had some male siblings with other old testament hebrew names, interestingly it is only the boys that have been given hebrew names, but the girls have not.

        I think looking at names and the origins of names is a lovely side effect of Genealogical research – at least for me it is, but then I am not one of those just interested in names, dates, etc, but also about the history of the people and their lives.

        • Gezza

           /  July 8, 2017

          Names were already sorted before I popped out – 2 months early. No dangly bit, I would’ve been Michelle.

        • Missy

           /  July 8, 2017

          hahaha… that is funny, my parents were going to call me Michelle, but too many others around my birth were Michelle. Probably a good move as well, I have an older cousin called Michelle (who mum was going to name me after as she was the daughter of her favourite brother) and we look alike too!

          I used to hate my name, but now I quite like it, I feel I have grown into it, and to be honest I can’t imagine changing it at all.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  July 7, 2017

      Missy, I recommend you spit into a tube and send your sample away to one of the three DNA sequencers. It is quite freaky what they can tell you about your history, right back as far as the Neanderthals. I used 23 and me but if you’re heavily into genealogy maybe ancestry.com. That mystery will be a mystery no more. Good luck. Cheers,c

      • Missy

         /  July 8, 2017

        Thanks C, it is certainly something I plan on doing, I am just waiting until I have the spare cash to do it (i.e.: after my family have been for their holiday and those expenses are paid for!). There are a number of companies in the UK that do it, and there is one which seems to come more recommended than Ancestry as they do a deep genealogical DNA, but I will look into what companies do it, choose one, and give it a go. I want to do the most comprehensive which is quite a bit more expensive than some of the more basic one’s.

        I know what I am expecting in terms of my genealogy, but it will be interesting if there is anything unexpected.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 8, 2017

          Believe me it will throw up a couple of surprises. For me it was the Sardinian connection, 0.7% 6 generations ago. Once I googled it my fondness for a good pizza fell into place. I also love that im 15% frog. Cheers,c

          • Gezza

             /  July 8, 2017

            Sardine. Frog. You’re downright aquatic c. 🐋🐸 👍

          • Missy

             /  July 8, 2017

            I would fully expect some surprises with at least two lines of ‘unknown parentage’ in just the last couple of generations (1 Grandparent, and 1 Gt Grandparent).

  3. Missy

     /  July 7, 2017

    Speaking of names, an MP’s wife gave birth to their sixth child the other day, and they have named the child Sixtus.

    This is fitting when you consider the MP in question, his name is Jacob Rees-Mogg, and he certainly has the air of an old fashioned gentleman about him, though he is certainly not pompous and seems to have a pretty good sense of humour.

    In one interview I saw with him, the interviewer tried to be clever and make a point about his privileged background (he went to Eton) by obliquely referencing his school, JRM turned to him and said ‘oh, you are talking about Eton, yes, I was in the same class as your son’. The interviewer is one that likes to believe he is an ordinary person and not at all privieged.

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      Lol. JRM is “sharp as, bro”!

      • Missy

         /  July 7, 2017

        yep, the more I see of him the more I like him. He is unruffable, and highly intelligent. In fact I think he would make an excellent leader, but apparently he is more than happy being on the back bench and working with his constituents, and spending time with his family.

        To give you an idea of what he is like, here are a couple of pics.

        This is him and his son campaigning.

        This is him with his new son Sixtus. Most love that he went to the hospital in a suit.

        • Missy

           /  July 7, 2017

          Apparently he only got into trouble twice in school, I can’t remember what the second time was, but the first time was for wearing a Conservative rosette during the 1983 election.

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            Hmm. Yeah, I’d keep an eye on him. That sounds pretty subsversive.
            I’ve visited the hospital asap after work in a suit plenty of times. Out of interest, what is the expected hospital visiting uniform there?

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              Very subversive and suspicious…

              From what I heard today for a new father apparently the hospital visiting uniform is a lot more casual and dishevelled than Jacob Rees-Mogg.

              I think the point is that he is never seen wearing anything but a suit. 🙂

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  July 7, 2017

              Fathers today tend to be there for the whole thing, rather than pop in at the end with a cigar and say “well done”, you’ve got to dress for comfort.

            • Missy

               /  July 7, 2017

              AC, that suit is ‘dress for comfort’ for JRM, he doesn’t wear anything else, and never looks dishevelled no matter what is happening, or what he is doing. Whilst everyone around him is wilting and flustered this guy is still immaculate.

              So, chances are he was there for the whole thing, though to be fair as it is child number 6 it probably didn’t last long, and he still looks unruffled at the end of it all. His wife on the other hand probably wasn’t looking so fresh and unruffled.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  July 7, 2017

              Yeah, number 6 would have taken all of 2 minutes, but I’d wager that sometime during day two of labour on child 1 he nipped home and slipped on a tracksuit.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Reminds me – anyone seen Trumpy in a track suit yet?

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Closest I’ve been able to get so far, & that was obviously a long time ago

              These days it’s mostly just fat old bugger no tie in shirtsleeves swinging a golf club in the rough while everyone claps at how brilliant he is at golf.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

            • Missy

               /  July 8, 2017

              AC, I am not sure Jacob Rees-Mogg owns a tracksuit to be honest!

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Some guys just live in suits. With a well-cut one:

              1. They’re slimming – refer golfer above.
              2. They make you look like you’re intelligent.
              3. Without a tie, they make you look like you’re laid back & approachable
              4. Women think a man always looks good in a suit.

              If I’ve got anything wrong – let me know which one(s)

        • duperez

           /  July 7, 2017

          “Tis better to go to hospital in a suit than an ambulance.,

    • Conspiratoor

       /  July 7, 2017

      All good fun except the latins used ‘sixtus’ to denote something completely different. More accurate would have been the name ‘Sextus’, but for the life of me I can’t work out why this option was overlooked

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        I think we had a convo about that sixtus thing. I forget. What was their thing with Sixtus?

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 7, 2017

          Your powers of recall could do with a jolly good ‘sixtus’ G

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            Possibly. My powers of googlecall have only produced this:
            https://yournz.org/2017/05/14/the-defences-of-trump/#comment-186879
            & the Wiki quote below say Sixtus as a Roman name meant “polished” so I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say here?

            Might save some time, space & energy if you just found the strength to come out and say exactly what you mean?

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Shit I’ve dropped wheat all over the carpet! This is what happens when you let an exceptionally cute little pukeko called Bluebelle con you into giving her extras outside of the specified only-meal-times for trimming your grass & not pulling it out! Back later. I’m going out to have a word with her about trimming the edges too, in future.

      • Missy

         /  July 8, 2017

        Not sure why he wouldn’t go for Sextus, not like the kids at school would shorten it to something inappropriate…

        To be honest though, I am not sure the reason him and his wife chose Sixtus is due to the fact he is their sixth child – that is what the media are reporting – as a Catholic I would not be surprised if the child is named after the popes.

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      🤔
      Pope Sixtus V or Xystus V (13 December 1521 – 27 August 1590), born Felice Peretti di Montalto, ruled from 24 April 1585 to his death in 1590. As a youth, he joined the Franciscan order, where he displayed talents as a scholar and preacher, and enjoyed the patronage of Pius V, who made him a cardinal.

      As Pope, he energetically rooted out corruption and lawlessness across Rome, and launched a far-sighted rebuilding programme that continues to provoke controversy, as it involved the destruction of antiquities. The cost of these works was met by heavy taxation that caused much suffering. His foreign policy was regarded as over-ambitious, and he excommunicated both Elizabeth I of England and Henry IV of France. He is recognized as a significant figure of the Counter-Reformation. Wiki

      😕 Wonder what his long-term plans & hopes are for this laddie? 😳

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        Ah .. more from Wiki:

        Sixtus was a Roman name, a corruption of the Greek name “Ξυστος,” meaning “polished,” and originally Latinized “Xystus.” In its Spanish form Sixto it is still used as a personal name. It is not to be confused with the common Roman praenomen “Sextus,” meaning “sixth,” though not necessarily denoting a sixth child.

        Notable people named Sixtus include five Popes of the Roman Catholic Church, the first three of whom are called “Xystus” in the most ancient records.

    • I love him!!!

      • Jacob

        • Gezza

           /  July 7, 2017

          🤔 Better not tell the MOTH. 💪😠

          • He’d be as concerned as a lump of wood. He’s used to my hyperbole.

            ( next to unbridled sarcasm of course!)

      • Missy

         /  July 8, 2017

        He is great. Search him on Youtube and see some of his interviews, he has a way of putting some of the journalists in their place without sounding exasperated or arrogant about it, just very matter of fact.

        Personally the more I see of him the more I like him, pity he is reported as being happy on the backbench and having no leadership ambitions.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 8, 2017

          Skinny white anglo male with a Christian upbringing. How culturally wrong can you get!! Besf he packs his bags now, he’ll never fly

          • Conspiratoor

             /  July 8, 2017

            Hetero as well …he’s finished as a pollie

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              I reckon. That fat old nico addict & depressive, Churchill, & that cripple FDR, & that skinny black Kenyan Obama, never came anywhere in life or amounted to anything when it came to fighting enemies.

            • Neither that senile old actor.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              And what about that bald, skinny, rag-clad weaver in India? Never had a show against the conquistadoors of the British Empire.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 8, 2017

              Times have changed G. Churchill and FOR with their hard talk and candour wouldn’t get a look in today

          • Missy

             /  July 8, 2017

            C, that would only be if he was a leftie, being a Conservative he fits the demographic perfectly.

  4. Corky

     /  July 7, 2017

    Even if you don’t believe in conspiracy theories this one is just plain weird… just plain weird It’s tied in with the Montauk Time Travel Experiment and the work of John von Neumann. He’s the scientist who saved our bacon during WW2. So classified was his work, a group of soldiers surrounded him on his death bed in case he spoke of classified projects in his delirium. I guess they would have put a bullet in his head.

    But the weirdest thing is the horse…why? Like a statue of a pig outside a synagogue it just doesn’t fit.

    Wiki:

    On his deathbed, Von Neumann entertained his brother by reciting, by heart and word-for-word, the first few lines of each page of Goethe’s Faust.[5] He died at age 53 on February 8, 1957, at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., under military security lest he reveal military secrets while heavily medicated. He was buried at Princeton Cemetery in Princeton, Mercer County, New Jersey.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/rickysans/the-mysterious-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-denver-ai?utm_term=.ndVwK1OjVo#.nwPpDgrmBG

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11614532

    • FGANSAZ

       /  July 7, 2017

      I’ve actually flown out of that airport. Our driver called it the Spooky Horse.

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  July 7, 2017

      How is it “tied in with the Montauk Time Travel Experiment and the work of John von Neumann” ? Other than the book having a similar horse on the cover.

      • Corky

         /  July 7, 2017

        It is claimed John von Neumann was called in to back engineer recovered Nazi technology. That technology was made available to the elite. The Nazi influence is represented in a variety of ways around the airport.

        What’s not in dispute is we have had some of the greatest scientific brains mankind has ever know working during a small band of time between the years 188O to 1960. Einstein in no way towers over some of these unknown scientists. Strange thing is…where is their life’s work? Where is their legacy?

        We are talking about men whose perceptions and understanding was an evolutionary step above us average humans, and our mainstream scientific understanding.

        • Gezza

           /  July 7, 2017

          Strange thing is…where is their life’s work? Where is their legacy?

          Where do you think it is?

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  July 7, 2017

            From Wikipedia.

            Weather systems and global warming

            Von Neumann’s team performed the world’s first numerical weather forecasts on the ENIAC computer; von Neumann published the paper Numerical Integration of the Barotropic Vorticity Equation in 1950.[154] Von Neumann’s interest in weather systems and meteorological prediction led him to propose manipulating the environment by spreading colorants on the polar ice caps to enhance absorption of solar radiation (by reducing the albedo).[155][156] thereby inducing global warming.[155][156] Von Neumann was the first scientist to propose the theory of global warming, noting that the Earth was only 6 °F (3.3 °C) colder during the last glacial period, he said that the burning of coal and oil would result in “a general warming of the Earth by about one degree Fahrenheit.”[157]

          • Corky

             /  July 7, 2017

            In the hands of a few people. Really, to be truthful, I don’t know. If we take Tesla for example, mainstream science and academia tried to write him out of the history books. However, his work was too public to be denied. And Tesla now has taken his place as one the greats. But what of others, some who worked for various governments?

            1- Kozyrev
            2 Burhard Heim
            3-Manfred von Andenne
            4-Stanislaw Ulam

            I doubt many modern scientists would know the works of the above. And definitely not the public.

          • Gezza

             /  July 7, 2017

            Dunno anything about them Corks. Just names to me. Sometimes great minds do wonderful things & then wander off & work for years on ideas that just fail though.

            Why do you think those dudes are important?

            • Corky

               /  July 7, 2017

              Quite true…some just go mad. I think most would have an IQ that can’t be measured, and maybe there is a price to pay for understanding things that will never come to fruition in you lifetime. Most greatness for people like these comes before 40 years of age

              Manfred von Andenne- the electron microscope and cathode tube. He has over 600 patents. The rest is above my pay grade.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              I’m likin’ Manny for the e-scope 👍 but I wish he’d pay to dump my old Compaq Monitor & had paid for the old tellys to go tipwards as well.

            • Corky

               /  July 7, 2017

              That could be a problem..Manny has` entered a different dimension.

            • Gezza

               /  July 7, 2017

              Did leave a will? Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

  5. Gezza

     /  July 7, 2017

    You know who yous are. And if you don’t, it still applies to most of you, so tuff titty.

  6. sorethumb

     /  July 7, 2017

    Kymlicka is a key thinker behind multiculturalism

    We may be in a hierarchy because our culture is better than another group. That’s how competition works.
    Viewing your ethnic group as superior (or bias in thinking) is a natural tendency (band of brothers). It is an evolved evolutionary strategy. In order to bring about equality and inclusion the state plays mother. Multiculturalism requires suppression of the dominant ethnic group (European New Zealanders).
    They have a fantasy that you achieve an uber (ethnicless society) and somehow, the economy will start humming; they have prioritised their thinking) or (more likely) they figure that labour should flow in all directions and beggar the consequences (open borders).
    National, Labour, Green and Media party endorse multiculturalism- do they not know the nature of the ideology behind it?

    • sorethumb

       /  July 7, 2017

      It would be interesting to learn why people on the right(?) defend multiculturalism?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 7, 2017

        I don’t see the right as being in favour of multiculturalism at all.

        The right are more in favour of freedom of movement coupled with integration of immigrants into the dominant culture, while allowing them to maintain aspects of their own culture.
        This is reflected in the “values statements”: as promoted by ACT and in Australia, Pauline Hanson.

        The left are more anti freedom of movement, but where immigration occurs promote multiculturalism (and cultural relativism) as stated in your post, which enables and encourages immigrants to transplant their culture into a new land.

        Where multiculturism is foisted on a population there is a general movement towards anti-immigration rhetoric from the right as they see it as causing irreconcilable issues.

        • Gezza

           /  July 7, 2017

          Bingo. Upticked.

        • Missy

           /  July 8, 2017

          “The right are more in favour of freedom of movement coupled with integration of immigrants into the dominant culture, while allowing them to maintain aspects of their own culture. …. The left are more anti freedom of movement, but where immigration occurs promote multiculturalism (and cultural relativism) as stated in your post, which enables and encourages immigrants to transplant their culture into a new land.”

          Interesting view, because I am seeing the opposite in the UK and Europe. In general the more anti Freedom of Movement are coming from the right, but that is also tied up with euro-scepticism.

          In general the right are more in favour of a managed immigration as opposed to freedom of movement, however the left are the ones that promote freedom of movement and open borders.

    • Corky

       /  July 7, 2017

      Parti has reincarnated.

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        As an anti-parti – cle?

        • Corky

           /  July 7, 2017

          He has new parents..dad is Hadron Collider. Dad doesn’t know whether he is French or Swiss.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  July 7, 2017

            Well at least that explains his circular arguments.

    • Surprise, surprise I have a problem with liberal pandering to and the extending of equivalence to cultures who not only abuse and mistreat women and children, but who openly flout laws and societal norms. I also feel all should be equal before the law and that God, whoever that is , needs to be left at court and parliamentary doors. Lip service cultural recognition within a multicultural society, is fine. However, giving equivalence and autonomy to regressive cultures like those who cut girls genitals, promise daughters in marriage to first cousins at 10 is wrong. I can happily accept a multicultural and morally pluralistic society where liberal values are held dear first and foremost and all ethnicities and cultures within a host dockets are regarded equally.

      Gay Marriage, women’s equality, non violence to children, state law before church and no family arranged spousal fetching. As far as the latter goes, it is my contention that village-fetching of spouses for an arranged marriage pretty well ensures any children are lost to a real chance of assimilation.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 7, 2017
  8. “Our top priority is to please Allah” Linda Sarsour. Islamic Activist and demented heroine of America’s left.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/06/linda-sarsour-calls-jihad-against-president-trump-administration

    • Corky

       /  July 7, 2017

      Maybe the American Left deserve her.

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      Christ. How many demented heroines have they got over there? What with sundry actresses, & Kellyanne…

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        🌸 one for your friend too – 🌸 😘

        • Gezza, if you don’t mind – say after me ” I admire and respect KellyAnne”

          This household rates her.

          • Gezza

             /  July 8, 2017

            🤔 Ok. What the heck. I’ll give it a bash. 👍 💪🇳🇿

            I admire and respect KellyAnne.

          • Gezza

             /  July 8, 2017

            😕 It’s not working, trav.

            I like her though. She makes me smile lots. 💆

            Not the sharpest knife in the block, but still gutsy, & very loyal. I’m fond of the Presidential Press Pug 🐶 for similar reasons.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 8, 2017

              G, agree she is one gutsy lady but your reference to sharpened knives troubles me. In the sense she is dimwitted and lacking in intelligence can you point to some evidence to substantiate your claim s’il vous plait

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Mais oui, bien sur, m’sieu – but much later. Gotta go see papa now. Then off to the pub to watch the AB’s crush les Angleteres. As an initial volley, let me just quickly fire: microwave oven.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 8, 2017

              You get a rare point G …treasure it

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      Even allowing for the very obviously selective editing of that video, that woman is an idiot. If anybody wants to know who the dictator they want to live under is, she’s telling everyone, in America, FGS, it’s Mohammud. Nut job.

      • Gezza

         /  July 7, 2017

        😕 Sorry, Mo. *Muhammud. Or Mohammed. Or Mohummad – whatever. At least Jesus is just Jesus.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 7, 2017

    Donald Trump no real female wants to touch you….sorry just saying

  10. lurcher1948

     /  July 7, 2017

    I blame this all on kiwi blog and David Farrar and his MASTERS NATIONAL this is all done under nationals rule, you cannot blame labour, all the shit hitting society today,ITS NATIONAL AND BILL ENGLISHs and KIWIBLOGS FAULT..just saying THEY RULE
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/not_a_great_example.html

  11. Corky

     /  July 7, 2017

    ”Some women are being penalised over $100 a week for not naming the father of their children.”

    That’s tough

    ‘Auckland woman Stephanie, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, can’t prove the father of five of her 10 children.’

    Stop slapping. We have people working there guts out to support the likes of you.

    Now Lurchy…this is how the real world world works. So crawl off back to the janitor room at Labour HQ, and I promise not to turn you in.

    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/06/42000_alabamians_no_longer_rec.html

    • MaureenW

       /  July 8, 2017

      How does one “not know” the fathers of 5 / 10 children? They obviously knew her.

  12. patupaiarehe

     /  July 7, 2017

    A little musical interlude. This one has been on the ‘wireless’ a lot recently, and has got ‘stuck in my head’…

    I’m cornered in fire so break out the secrets
    I hope you know that you were worth it all along
    I’m tired, you’re angry, and everyone looks blurry
    I love you. I’m leaving; so long

    Hey, little one
    I’m so scared of what this could have been
    I know that today I lost my only friend
    My little one

    The places I took you, they seem so fucking empty
    I have trouble going anywhere at all
    Especially my own bedroom
    And it stays awake to haunt me
    So passed out, black out, drunk in another bathroom stall

    Hey, little one
    I’m so scared of what this could have been
    I know that today I lost my only friend

    How long must I justify my pain through these songs?
    How long, how long?

    Hey, little one
    I’m so scared of what this could have been
    I know that today I lost my only little one
    (My little one)
    I’m so scared of what this could have been
    I know that today I lost my only friend

    How long must I talk about my pain in these songs?
    How long?

    It’s raining, It’s sunny
    It doesn’t make a difference
    I don’t care about anything at all

    It’s raining, It’s sunny
    It doesn’t make a difference
    I don’t care about anything at all

  13. lurcher1948

     /  July 7, 2017

    What i hate watching on TV1 is some problem that national cannot solve(the gorge) but the idiot MPs wear new high viz and head protection fresh of the shelf on TV1they are wankers then some young pleb female being left to go deaf and not been on any list to be operated on POOR LADY.National the party WHO DOSNT CARE unless you are a weirdo looking for a bolthole and a country to buy up.

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      Which Party should I vote for Lurch? Don’ want to be paying any more tax than now is all.Just looking for recommendations at the mo.

    • patupaiarehe

       /  July 7, 2017

      Yup Lurch, one’s ranking on the ‘Wanker scale’, is inversely proportional to the cleanliness of their safety vest 😉

  14. pickled possum

     /  July 7, 2017

    “”Just in case any listeners were wondering, the music video portrays the Maori warrior, progressing through the ages. He begins in the forests with his Taiaha as a fearsome fighter, then in army attire at the Rotorua Government Gardens, as he has returned from battle. Then in a more modern setting, it shows him at his home, waiting for his ride to pick him up to come to a barbecue where we happen to be playing.
    The term “Kupenga” refers to the pole that holds the fishing net and coincides with the idea of exploring many different avenues abroad, but always staying true to your origins.”

    • patupaiarehe

       /  July 7, 2017

      Nice Possum, they remind me of ‘Supergroove’. If you have a spare 20 minutes, this is worth a watch. Remember ‘Opshop’?…

      • pickled possum

         /  July 7, 2017

        Yes… Supergroove then …Che Fu …..Fade Away. a fave one.

        Love TED Talk JK he is good still got the looks from One Day still wearing a suit
        and the golden ratio.

  15. Corky

     /  July 7, 2017

    Damn,apparently Jew Girl, Tzipi Hostoveli, dealt to a Jew hating Australian 60 minutes interviewer. Unfortunately the clip cannot be show outside of Aussie. Pity, nothing more satisfying then watching a Jew hater exposed, and dealt to.

    http://www.israellycool.com/2017/06/26/watch-tzipi-hotoveli-vs-hostile-aussie-60-minutes-reporter-liam-bartlett/

  16. patupaiarehe

     /  July 7, 2017

    Still about G? Your friend Blazer told me a few nights ago, that you needed help with talking to women. I couldn’t be bothered replying, and telling him/her that you ‘do OK’, because I would just get another downtick. Not that you need any help, but I found this talk entertaining. Enjoy….

    • Gezza

       /  July 7, 2017

      I don’t bother to flirt mate. I just be me. They either just let me know they’re interested or they get someone else to tell me.

      • patupaiarehe

         /  July 7, 2017

        Exactly as I suspected G. Still tho’, it’s an entertaining talk…

        • patupaiarehe

           /  July 7, 2017

          Where’s the stinkythumbed panty sniffer gone? I’m missing a few downticks…

          • patupaiarehe

             /  July 7, 2017

            Yo stinkythumber! Here’s a little ‘life hack’ for you. Before you retire to your ‘safe space’ tonight, to do ‘what you do’, spend 15 minutes lying on your side, with your arm beneath you. After 15 minutes, your arm will be numb, so that when you ‘do what you do’, it will feel like someone else is doing it. Better living, spanky… 😉 😛

            • patupaiarehe

               /  July 7, 2017

              15 minutes later, the above comment has no downticks. Obviously someone has taken my advice. You’re welcome, Spanky… 😀 😀 😀

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2017

              Only one of those is key. i get that one, the rest I don’t even have to worry about.

    • pickled possum

       /  July 7, 2017

      hehe patupaiarehe Gezza got the smooth way with all the woman … he is himself … not looking for a pedestal to balance on and then get hurty feeling when he throws himself off
      or gets the elbow. 🙂
      Hmmmm flirting video, looks interesting … from a purely scientific point of view, of course.

  17. patupaiarehe

     /  July 7, 2017

    Ka kite, y’all. Unlike the rest of you retirees, I have to work tomorrow. I don’t blame the government, I blame my kids… 😀