Open Forum – Sunday

9 July 2017

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44 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  July 9, 2017

    @ Missy

    Yesterday I told you where I come from as a small pepeha – how I would be expected to formally introduce myself on a marae. I told you where I was born & grew up, where my particular family of my clan is/was based:

    https://yournz.org/2017/07/07/open-forum-friday-136/#comment-200286

    My mountain = maunga – there is always a mountain, not necessarily as big and beautiful as mine, it might be a large hill.

    My river = awa – the nearest reasonably-sized river. They radiate off Mt Taranaki into the province. Mine is a stunner & I grew up very near it.

    My local district = hapu. Which is the suburb of Fitzroy, in New Plymouth. New Plymouth (Ngamotu in Taranaki Maori dialects) is my rohe – my area or disrict.

    Fitzroy is near Rewarewa pa, near the river mouth, where I fished, eeled, swam and played as a kid, not knowing it was a pa or that its name was Rewarewa:

    It’s a special place for me.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Rewa_Rewa_Bridge

    Sharing the Waiwakaiho documentary – 17 Minutes

    If I were doing this on a marae I would go on to add
    My waka – the ship that brought my name ancestor here
    My father, my mother, theirs. I would find out how far back was appropriate from someone knowledgeable, like my older brother – tuakana.
    And, probably lastly, my personal name:

    Ko Gezza toku ingoa (Hark. Gezza is my name.)

    I’d check it, because at the moment I only think that’s right. 😬😀

    I like the pepeha. It tells me where I originated & feel most deeply anchored, apart from in North Welly.

    When I go down to my river, I find a place where no one else is around & I spend time there. No matter what ails me or assails me, that river heals my soul. I have no idea why. But on that, I think I understand why they are sacred to Maori.

    • Gezza

       /  July 9, 2017

      Whoops – Missed out the link – Sharing the Waiwhakaiho Documentary:
      http://www.intercreate.org/waiwhakaiho-documentary/

    • Missy

       /  July 9, 2017

      Cheers G,

      My Maori isn’t very good (almost non-existent to be honest), and I sort of understood some of what you were saying.

      I really appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me and giving me a better understanding of what it all means.

      I am not maori, but I do have a great appreciation for the culture and traditions, even in my limited knowledge. I like the idea of the pepeha, I feel it is a great way to introduce yourself and keep the connection to who you are and where you are from.

      I understand about the river being healing, like you I head for a river (or the harbour when I was in Wellington) when I need peace and calmness, being near water is healing no matter what the ailment.

      ❤️

    • Pickled Possum

       /  July 9, 2017

      Wow Gezza. Korero tu meke kia ora
      That is so egzactly that! In Eglish.
      Too much bro.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  July 9, 2017

        *English

        • Gezza

           /  July 9, 2017

          Luv’d it the way it was ackshully. And thank you Possum.
          Arohanui sis.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  July 9, 2017

    Getting a bit tired of Webmail xtra, so much spam.Today i won an I7,petro, an expresso machine,The IRD said im due $252 and could i give them my credit card details it goes on and on,I’m sure Yahoo didn’t let so much rubbish through.Its a bit suspicious when you are into winning a countdown gift card and this comes from Estonia address….

    • Anonymous Coward

       /  July 9, 2017

      I get the same on my old Orcon address. They won’t tell you but both xtra and orcon have had their database hacked at some stage, and all active addresses stolen. I get emails addressed to 50 orcon adresses. I still get some from Yahoo friends that got hacked all those years ago.

      • Gezza

         /  July 9, 2017

        My old yahoo!xtra account got hacked too. I had to keep changing my password regularly. I have been switched over to their new xtramail system now. I haven’t had any spam on that, I think, but I haven’t checked on my lappy. On the iPad I’ve never got junk/spam for some reason.

  3. Anyone else following Le Tour? I’m obsessed.

    FYI. Kiwis in Le Tour. ( btw – I am a Froome groupie).

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/07/opinion-breakdown-of-the-kiwi-contingent-at-the-2017-tour-de-france.html

    • Conspiratoor

       /  July 9, 2017

      Life for me comes to a standstill 3 weeks in July Trav. The drama, tactics, superhuman fitness, magnificent scenery, history it’s got it all. Don’t like froome though, speaks english and zero personality. Sagans my man and Alberto Contador, for the name alone. Also the gritty little columbian

      • Ok. Fair enough on your boys. Any opinion on the incident???

        I’m am Africophile thus the Froome love and followed him long before Team Sky glory.

        I plan my retiree year or so in France as I watch it. Sigh

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 9, 2017

          They are still good mates and cav took it on the chin. Sagan doesn’t have a history of this so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Unlike sbw who has past form from his league days. I would love to follow the tour en personne one day…

          • Tour. Me too. Currently exploring options. I could go alone or in group, but MOTH has another couple of years before he can come. Mind you I know a lot of people, like you and I, who are very keen. Loved the Jura. I suppose you’re hanging out for the Pyrenees.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 9, 2017

              Oui, les pyrenees sont les meilleurs! Of the great passes the Col du Tourmalet is my fav, 10% at the top! Do you think if would be possible to see each stage by campervan? Looks to me like you would have to arrive 2 or 3 days before to have any chance

      • Gezza

         /  July 9, 2017

        I seem to recall Monsieur Le c might have a passing interest in EVERY SINGLE STAGE OF EVERY SINGLE ONE.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 9, 2017

          Sacre bleu G, you are a master of the understatement! Sounds like Trav is a gent of similarly good taste

          • Gezza

             /  July 9, 2017

            Jesus – I hope you’re just taking the mickey calling Ms trav a gent?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 9, 2017

              Oh dear, quelle herreur! I don’t know why but i’always thought of Trav as a bloke. Anyway brace yourself for rape Neuf G …3 great mountain passes with some of the steepest climbs on french soil, think Baldwin street and stretch it 5 times. Including the fearsome Mont du chat. The descent is a pants wetter. Men from the boys! Hot tip, keep your eyes on Fabio

            • Gezza

               /  July 9, 2017

              For Chrissake man. Just because trav’s got a punch like a bloody sledgehammer doesn’t mean she’s a bloke. Pay more attention. She married a right brute of an Alpha Male. She’s gotta be tough to survive!

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 9, 2017

              Shit, let’s keep this to ourselves G

            • Gezza

               /  July 9, 2017

              Might be ok. I don’t think they know exactly where you live. I’ll stay schtum. 👍

            • I think logistics would mean one should concentrate on certain areas when one could do two to three stages without moving base.

  4. Corky

     /  July 9, 2017

    Thanks to the Whaler for a heads-up on this article. Trotter is now truly a enemy of the state.The state being Labour and nutters like those at the Standard who don’t like home truths.I see the great Bruce Jesson even gets a mention. A good man, held in high regard by those in National who know their politics.

    https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/labour-breaking-bad-second-in-series-of.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 9, 2017

      A nice home truth in an article I read today. The loony Left are basically communists who have to live with the fact that outlawing private property has everywhere proved disastrous. They haven’t figured out any alternative. Hence their frustration and impotence.

      • Corky

         /  July 9, 2017

        No private property…no civilisation. Collectivist cultures like socialists hate the concept of private ownership because it allows people choices in their lives. Collectivist cultures always demand communal ownership because it allows control and limits choices for the individual.

        ”They haven’t figured out any alternative. Hence their frustration and impotence.”

        Yes, they deep down they know there is no alternative. Still, it makes for a great sideshow.

        • Gezza

           /  July 9, 2017

          That Trotter artcle’s a very perceptive one. It’s not talking about extreme socialism & associated deprivation of people’s property rights. Labour eventually came to recignise the answer was to find ways to increase the number of working class people working hard to get property, by squeezing more dough out of the tight-arsed employer class for the employees, and to look after those who for good reason couldn’t get them – welfare. They wanted to raise living standards for those with low living standards.

          The landscape’s massively changed. It’s no longer just employers & workers. There are small businesspeople, including tradies, carpet layers, tv aerial repairmen, budget advisors, IT home specialist services, lawnmowing services (a husband & wife team I know made a fortune lawnmowing in Tokoroa when they had saved enough & sold the business) – you name it. If there’s a niche, someone will find it & make a living from it. They work as hard as they like, as often as they like, their only bosses are themselves, the taxman, & their creditors.

          Which party looks after these people best?

          The comments in Trotter’s article I also found interesting.

          • Gezza

             /  July 9, 2017

            PS: Right now I’m having an Eskimo Pie, so don’t mess with me after that!

    • Conspiratoor

       /  July 9, 2017

      As noted by one wag. Nodding and swaying without emotion …psychopathy

    • Corky

       /  July 9, 2017

      You have it all wrong, Lurchy. You see, High Chief Billy English, was doing skull practice.
      Or NLP to you.

      Now, in his alpha state ,brought on by the music, he was imagining himself greeting thousands of screaming Righties at National Party HQ. All well dressed and behaved. No one looking like they had just come from laying drains as was the case last time around for Labour HQ.

      And as Billy mounts the podium, people go berserk…he holds a hand up to quieten the crowd and says” I have just received a call from Andrew Little.. the audience go berserk… I think you get the picture, son. See, National leave nothing to chance. Your lack of perception only allowed you to see the PM nodding his head. However, the action was going on inside his head.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 9, 2017

        He was probably wondering why on earth anyone would want to be an MP and spend your life being criticised by nitwits who have no idea what you do.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  July 9, 2017

    I really like UP 844, this is what humans can build and run, i think it is a great looking steam locomotive engine.I did my boiler man’s test and would love to be in the cab of this legend..
    .https://youtu.be/BY_iCND1pRY

  6. sorethumb

     /  July 9, 2017

    Chris Trotter
    As the years have passed, however, New Zealand’s “Populism With A Smile” has become increasingly difficult to sustain. In relation to the rest of the world, the Alliance and NZ First were movements ahead of their time. Over the past two years, however, the global populist herds have overtaken us with a feral strength not encountered since the darkest years of the 1930s. And, while anger has always driven populism forward, today’s populists are super-charged with unreasoning hatred and rage.
    https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/populism-with-smile-fourth-in-series-of.html

    • Corky

       /  July 9, 2017

      Sounds like me…

    • sorethumb

       /  July 9, 2017

      and, while anger has always driven populism forward, today’s populists are super-charged with unreasoning hatred and rage.
      ………….
      Being a nationalist doesn’t make you a hater; not wanting to lose your identity (resistance to multiculturalism) doesn’t make you a hater and the position is quite a reasoned (and reasonable) one. Rhetorical argument and slur are the main tactics of the left.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 9, 2017

    Poor donald trump,he was thought of at the G20 summit as the local idiot and no one wanted to listen to his grunts…poor America, it’s going down hill FAST

    .

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 9, 2017

    Going back to our discussion on helping kids to cope with life, this is an interesting and useful concept:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/smith-college-university-mental-health-failure-a7811146.html

    • Gezza

       /  July 10, 2017

      Good article Al. Yes I can see why such a program is needed. We should be teaching that here too.