50 years of decimal currency

Remember these?

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Decimal currency was introduced in New Zealand fifty years ago. For those who lived through the change “the 10th of July next year” (and later ‘this year’) is an enduring memory.

What an awful non-Kiwi accent.

I got a certificate or something at school for proving my ability to convert from pounds, shillings and pence.

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I don’t remember old notes much, I doubt I ever had any.

NZ History: New Zealand adopts decimal currency

Pounds, shillings and pence were replaced with dollars and cents − 27 million new banknotes and 165 million new coins.

The New Zealand government decided to decimalise in 1963, and set the date for 10 July 1967. There was much public discussion over what to call the new currency. Names suggested included ‘crown’, ‘fern’, ‘tūi’, ‘Kiwi’ and ‘zeal’. In the end, New Zealand followed Australia and settled on ‘dollar’.

The new coins were in denominations of 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 and 50 cents. Designs for the coins were publicised in early 1966 but revised after being criticised. The notes – the first New Zealand paper money to show the reigning monarch – were kept under wraps until June 1967 to thwart counterfeiters.

The new $1, $2, $5, $10, $20 and $100 banknotes each had different native birds and plants on the reverse, and were distinguishable by colour. Their design featured complicated geometric patterns, including Māori iconography. A $50 note was introduced in 1981, and in 1990 the $1 and $2 notes were replaced by coins.

I was able to get used to the change gradually because I didn’t have much money in those days.

 

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  1. I definitely remember the “10th of July next year”.

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  2. Ray

     /  July 10, 2017

    The decimal change lead the way to make farming difficult.
    Doubled the size of the mortgage, town got further away, temperatures fell, and the farm just about halved in size.
    On the other hand we didn’t need to do calculations using 12 or 16 bases and as for land measures😂

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 10, 2017

      For a terrible moment, I thought that you were serious….

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  3. Trumpenreich

     /  July 10, 2017

    “What an awful non-Kiwi accent.”

    Absolutely nothing wrong with that accent, and it is VERY New Zealand. Our white British heritage defines New Zealand. It is the ONLY reason we live in a Western Capitalist Democracy.

    Beats the hell out of the pigeon English spat out by maoris and islanders from South Auckland – I often have to ask them to repeat themselves. And then there is the mutilated English from asian immigrants.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 10, 2017

      All languages are continually evolving as new things come along requiring a new words to define them. Accents change as people from different backgrounds rub up against each other.

      The dead languages are the only ones frozen in time, a bit like Marilyn Monroe or James Dean, forever young.

      The English speaking people went out to the world and the world came to English. In 50 years time English will be as different to current English as current English is to the English of 50 years ago.

      Embrace diversity and live in the now.

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      • Trumpenreich

         /  July 10, 2017

        “Embrace diversity and live in the now.”

        Why do we NEED to embrace Diversity™?

        Do you live in an immigrant enclave in Auckland or a white area?

        All the research shows that Diveristy destroys social trust and increases alienation in a society.

        DIversity in ethnicity is not a “strength” – just take a look at Brazil as an example.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  July 10, 2017

          Are you suggesting we all go back to the old country to maintain our ethic purity?

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          • Trumpenreich

             /  July 10, 2017

            I suggest we preserve our white culture that is the foundation of a thriving capitalist democractic country.

            Diversity™ + Proximity = War

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        • Gezza

           /  July 10, 2017

          I agree with you about that accent. That was a reasonable representation of the BBC-style accent common to early tv newsreaders & broadcasters and how Keith Jacka Holyoake & people like surgeons, professors & the upper echelons of our society often spoke. It was one I was very familiar with from many of the British comedy shows on the radio & tv were standard fare. There was also the archetypal Taranaki farmer accent – the kiwi joker one – Waikato folk had the same accent – Barry Crump spoke it.

          I liked those accents, I quite like other accents too. I like the Billy T Maori English accent which was common. I do sometimes get quietly irritated now at having to quite often apologise to Asian English speakers & say I’m sorry, could you say that again, I didn’t quite understand what you said, and then they do, and I have to ask them again – and now I’m feeling like it’s my fault, and they’re looking or sounding pissed off, but the fact is it’s unintelligible English – in MY country, where pretty much everyone’s English used to be understandable.

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          • Trumpenreich

             /  July 10, 2017

            “I liked those accents, I quite like other accents too.”

            I don’t mind different accents either.

            But it was George the white educated baby boomer liberal who just couldn’t resist the opportunity to trash talk his own heritage and culture and thus virtue signal his “Super Not Racist!” status white liberals are desperate to have validated in an increasingly anti white political atmosphere.

            I don’t mind a few yellow and black tribe members hanging around, as long as their numbers don’t hit that tipping point.

            The Chinese were smart back in the day, they created an international district in their trade center Shanghai where all the various foreign nationalities could set up shop. They weren’t allowed to wander to far from their allotted field.

            And really its only Liberal Whitey who believes the Diversity™ narrative.

            All the other tribes can’t believe their luck – stupid whitey giving so many of them a chance to massively upgrade their standard of living literally overnight. And then on top of that they get to bringing their “enriching” cultural practices with them – those same practices and attitudes that ensure their homelands remain Third World ehtnic conflict ridden hellholes and or authoritarian/failed democracy projects.

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            • Gezza

               /  July 10, 2017

              I’m a pakeha Irish-originated English-speaking Nationalist. I learnt a little bit of French to sixth form & liked it but have mostly forgotten it. I wish I spoke Maori too. I basically liked the way my country was when I was in my 20’s or so. I don’t care where immigrants come from, but I want my country to be one they adapt to, not to be expected to adapt to theirs. If they want their country & culture be understood, encourage me to visit their country. Don’t try & change mine. You came here because you liked it. Don’t bugger it up.

            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              @Gezza

              ” I wish I spoke Maori too. ”

              Why? Majority of Maori’s can be bothered. It’s on them. If you got spear time to improve yourself learn more about your own white history, develop your masculine powers, start a strength training program and start lifting heavy.

              You do those things and you will come to realise just how much our society is being reshaped in a way that is profoundly hostile towards you as a white straight male.

              Learning about your own white history, culture? You are a white supremacist bigot who “centers white bodies and erases black bodies” #BLM.

              Start acting like a man who is confident, knows his worth and doesn’t buy into the man hater propaganda? You’re an arrogant sexist pig, misogynist, and probably a rapist ( and here’s my number, give me a call later, your Giving Zero Fucks alpha male attitude in the face of my feminist victimhood hysterics is driving me crazy and turns me on! )

              Start working out? YOU. ARE. BODY. FASCIST. #EndBodyShaming

              ” I don’t care where immigrants come from, but I want my country to be one they adapt to, not to be expected to adapt to theirs.”

              Here’s a thought experiment for you. Japan is basically 99% pure ethnic Japanese. Notice how no one is complaining that Japanese culture is boring or dull or lacks excitement or isn’t “colourful and vibrant” enough.

              Now lets decide that we are going to replace the majority of those ethnic Japanese with 10s of millions of African and Latino colourfuls so that ethnic Japanese are now reduced to 20% of the population. Would anyone be under the delusion that Japan is still Japan, that it has a Japanese culture when 80% of the population is practicing their own cultural traditions? No.

              In fact that is why we travel to various countries is for that purpose to experience that SPECIFIC ETHNIC CULTURE.

              Who would want to turn up to China to be surrounded by negroes and mosques and having to hunt real hard to find any of the original authentic Han people, culture and history?

              [I have given you another chance to see if you could comment without general attacks on groups and individuals, but by the look of this comment you don’t seem able to leave it out. Any more of this and it is back to babysitting – it is less time and trouble than futily trying to change behaviour. PG]

        • Gezza

           /  July 11, 2017

          @ Trumpenreich

          @Gezza
          “I wish I spoke Maori too.”
          Majority of Maori’s can be bothered. It’s on them. If you got spear time to improve yourself learn more about your own white history, develop your masculine powers, start a strength training program and start lifting heavy.
          You do those things and you will come to realise just how much our society is being reshaped in a way that is profoundly hostile towards you as a white straight male.

          It’s the native language of my country, bud. It’s all around us – place names, mountains, rivers, battles, tribal areas, history of my nation. You really want to know a culture, you learn the language. Languages always have all sorts of words for concepts that have no exact direct equivalent in another language, it helps you understand that culture better. As far as I’m concerned it’s a bicultural country & Maori culture is worth understanding – I don’t get that pure, rebuilding, culture in modern days mixed up with the bastardised versions you probably think of as represented by, say, the gangs, or the loudmouth anti-pakehas.

          Learning about your own white history, culture? You are a white supremacist bigot who “centers white bodies and erases black bodies” #BLM.

          I guess you’re mostly railing about yourself here? I love history. I know plenty about European & Irish & British history – some about other countries & civilisations as well. I know a lot about Nazi Germany. My dad fought against the Afrika Korps & Fallschirmjager in WWII. I know lots about how European countries evolved into the nation states we see today, breaking away from fading empires, arising as new ones themselves etc – like Prussia did.

          Start acting like a man who is confident, knows his worth and doesn’t buy into the man hater propaganda? You’re an arrogant sexist pig, misogynist, and probably a rapist ( and here’s my number, give me a call later, your Giving Zero Fucks alpha male attitude in the face of my feminist victimhood hysterics is driving me crazy and turns me on! )

          I do act like a man who is confident & knows his worth. I am mostly confident & know my worth mate. If I come across a man-hating woman, I just ignore them – like the vast majority of normal, well-adjusted girls & women do too. I haven’t encountered any man-hating women who wanted me to make a booty call & I was married anyway. The closest I probably came to that was the buxom young tea lady who used to follow me to the pub & asked me one day to get a room there. Can’t say I wasn’t interested but as I didn’t think the Mrs would be happy finding out that I did, I politely declined. Anyway, I had to get home & cop an earful cos I was already two hours later than I said I’d be coming home from the pub. The next day one of the other tea ladies said shit mate you do know she’s the missus of the Lower Hutt Mongrel Mob leader, don’t you? Which explained the occasions she later turned up for work with sunglasses & a black eye. Being married & wanting to stay married might’ve saved me from a very nasty experience.

          Start working out? YOU. ARE. BODY. FASCIST. #EndBodyShaming

          Why? I don’t feel any need to strut around flexing muscles & looking for fights. They might not end well for me down here unless I hooked up with other tossers who wanted to go around in a group flexing their muscles & looking for fights. I’ve got better things to do.

          ”I don’t care where immigrants come from, but I want my country to be one they adapt to, not to be expected to adapt to theirs.”
          Here’s a thought experiment for you. Japan is basically 99% pure ethnic Japanese. Notice how no one is complaining that Japanese culture is boring or dull or lacks excitement or isn’t “colourful and vibrant” enough.
          Now lets decide that we are going to replace the majority of those ethnic Japanese with 10s of millions of African and Latino colourfuls so that ethnic Japanese are now reduced to 20% of the population. Would anyone be under the delusion that Japan is still Japan, that it has a Japanese culture when 80% of the population is practicing their own cultural traditions? No.
          In fact that is why we travel to various countries is for that purpose to experience that SPECIFIC ETHNIC CULTURE.

          Yeah, righto. I’m sort of with you there, maybe. I think we should control immigration & expect immigrants to assimilate so we don’t end up getting our own national identity & the unique NZ pakeha & maori cultural sharing identity we’ve tried to evolve being replaced by a completely different & quite alien one – or end up with enclaves or no go areas, and demands for different rules & customs from yet more cultures we should have no need to adapt to. Look what happened to the first peoples of our country when our ancestors arrived and just overwhelmed them & took over most of their country. There’s a lesson to be learned there.

          I’d rather focus on getting the best possible arrangements for a successful pakeha/maori bicultural society than attempt to create a multicultural one. Multiple cultures that clash have historically ended up in Europe & elsewhere with separatist movements & eventually separate nation states being carved out.

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 10, 2017

      Already getting thumbs downs – from people who don’t actually live in Auckland, but some provincial city which is probably huge majority White with a small segregated maori community.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 10, 2017

        Don’t worry about it. It’s probably just something you said.

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        • Trumpenreich

           /  July 10, 2017

          Do you live amongst these diversity imports?

          I’m just curious because it always seems to be a certain type of whitey who screeches loudest about the joys of racial diversity and multiculturalism.

          The same whitey who lives safely embedded in a white enclave with very superficial contact with other tribal groups – maybe an ethnic restaurant or an annual festival. They then use this to status signal how “Super Not Racist” they believe themselves to be.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  July 10, 2017

            Time solves most things as people inter marry. This degree of inter marriage in NZ is probably one of our strengths.

            Do people of English ancestry have a greater right to live in NZ than say an Asian? The Maoris must have choked on the influx of Europeans in the 1800’s.

            There is going to be a period of adjustment but I think NZ will be stronger for it in 50 years time.

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            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              “Time solves most things as people inter marry.”

              How the hell do you come to that conclusion? Just take a look at all the ethnic conflict in the world.

              All the research points to ethnic Diversity™ undermining social stability.

              Diversity™ + Diversity = Conflict.

              Maoris HATE whites, they don’t give a sh#t about ‘Treaty Partnership” etc.

              They just know they would get their butts kicked if they tried to start a war so they have to settle for plan B and just secretly hope the tooth fairy of power visits them one night and they can slaughter all the whites or send them packing.

            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              That’s suppose to be:

              Diversity™ + Proximity = Conflict.

            • Gezza

               /  July 10, 2017

              I’m just not seeing this thing in skin colour & ethnic origin like you are Reichy. I’ve think we’ve got an evovlved system, shared Englisg language, & an overall national character – still – just, that many countries envy. It’s predominantly derived from English-speaking Western countries & extremly close to theirs but it includes Maori and must do.

              As far as as I’m concerned NZ is unique. If some other countries were more like us, they’d better places, in my honest opinion – they have to evolve in their own directions. If the evolved in a direction like NZ, their countries would be like ours. If I immigrated anywhere else I’d expect to live like them. That’s a reason why I’ve never considered emigrating. I like my country – might have its faults but its a bloody good un – like it is.

              I don’t want to see its culture change. I don’t care what colour your skin is. But I want you to dress like us, talk like us, socialise like us, do business like us, mow your lawns any day you want to like us. And if you don’t want to, I’d really rather ypu didn’t come here. These Asian neighbours of mine. They are working on fitting in.

          • Gezza

             /  July 10, 2017

            See my comment above Reichy. Sorry, I should’ve used a humour icon, I was using ironical humour again. I used to live smack in a white enclave & it mostly still is. But my immediate neighbours facing north, just over the fence, are Sri Lankan. I’m in a 3 unit townhouse. I’m No 1, North. Neighbours are newish. Middle unit are Chinese, Guangdong, Mum & Dad own the place, they speak no English.

            Their daughter is Chinese, she speaks text-style English, she’s just married Shane, a pakeha, who you could plonk down in Hawera or Stratford & he’d fit right. His wife’s is exceptionally cute & funny as a personality so I pay close attention & her English is intelligible – because while she says things like “He is very fucking” telling me they had a tiff last night, she’s intelligent enough to choose her words carefully, speaks them correctly, texts fine, and has no problem being interrogated for clarification.

            In the South unit, the couple & their kids are Malaysian Chinese. The wife is a nice person, but her english is still hard to understand. The husband is a stroppy, arrogant, wife-domineering pig-headed asshole & I can hardly understand him which only makes it worse. All their kids speak clear, common or garden kiwi-accented English though.

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            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              That’s not me giving you the thumbs down by the way.

              Thanks for sharing some of your personal experience.

              Sure, I know individuals of all tribes who are ok or even really charming.

              And generally I consider myself cosmopolitan. I’m all for a bit of diversity.

              BUT ONLY UP TO A POINT.

              What I have finally woken up to is that we are running an extremely dangerous social engineering program in the West that is already having devastating consequence for us whites.

              Demographics is Destiny.

              I rail against Diversity™ and Multiculturalism™ but like the Alt Right I am fully aware that the destruction is already baked into the cake.
              Whites are vanishing like a shallow puddle in the summer sun. Trump could only happen now (and he only scraped in by the skin of his teeth) or never, withing the next 2 USA election cycles the population will be too 3rd World for Heritage America to ever secure the Electoral College.

              Also I have plenty of stories of Multiculutralism™ fails.

              I just talked last week with a white NZ hammer hand. I didn’t even need to ask, he started talking about how he avoids working for Indians, he says everytime they hand over the cash there is always $100 or more less than what the agreement was. When he challenges them, the Indians just say “oh I thought that would be enough”.

              Now if an Indian calls him up asking for some work, he says “Sure no worries mate, I will be around tomorrow.” Then doesn’t go, and when they call up asking where is he, he says “Sorry got delayed, dont worry will be there tomorrow”. This continues until they stop calling.

              And that is how SOCIAL TRUST is destroyed by 3rd Worlders bringing their corrupt practices to Western countries.

              SOCIAL TRUST is basically the foundation of democratic capitalist societies. Only white countries have the high level of social trust needed. No other tribe has been able to achieve it because of their culture.

              So you can say “Hey I have lovely Asian neighbours and we are so friendly with each other”. But the deleterious effects of Diversity™ are not appearing on your radar, in part because you are not looking for them and have been socially condition not to look to hard or rationalise anything that contradicts the Multiculturalism™ Is Awesome narrative.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 10, 2017

              You’re so wrong I don’t quite know where to start. Perhaps a question to explore your worldview:

              What, in your view, are the key reasons why European nations make up most of today’s rich countries?

            • Gezza

               /  July 10, 2017

              @ Reichy – I’m not worried about downticks. I have at least one very loyal anti-fan. Sometimes I just give him a pansy or two to say thanks.

            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              @Mefrostate

              “What, in your view, are the key reasons why European nations make up most of today’s rich countries?”

              I know where you are going with this Mefrostate, I used to be a Lefty, I probably know you better than you do.

              Blaming non white countries abysmal performance on “white colonisation and imperialism” doesn’t wash.

            • Trumpenreich

               /  July 10, 2017

              …after all Mefrostate, China is hardly under the thrall of evil whitey. In fact they have done rather well for themselves the last 25 years economically. But as you may have noticed they are not in the least bit interested in democracy, and corruption is rife as it always has been in Asian culture.

              And no, Hong Kong recent political protest means sweet FA. The idea that trapped inside Asia there is a Democracy screaming to get out is a Globalist media narrative.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 10, 2017

              That’s not at all where I was going. How about you make your perspective explicit, rather than shadow boxing with what you imagine mine to be?

              I ask again: What, in your view, are the key reasons why European nations make up most of today’s rich countries?

            • Mefro. Have you read Jared Diamonds Guns, Germs, and Steel?

              Written in 1997, it explains a good deal about the the success or otherwise of societies. He puts it down to environment largely.

              “Diamond realized the same question seemed to apply elsewhere: “People of Eurasian origin … dominate … the world in wealth and power.” Other peoples, after having thrown off colonial domination, still lag in wealth and power. Still others, he says, “have been decimated, subjugated, and in some cases even exterminated by European colonialists.” (p. 15)

              The peoples of other continents (sub-Saharan Africans, Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians and New Guineans, and the original inhabitants of tropical Southeast Asia) have been largely conquered, displaced and in some extreme cases – referring to Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, and South Africa’s indigenous Khoisan peoples – largely exterminated by farm-based societies such as Eurasians and Bantu. He believes this is due to these societies’ technologic and immunologic advantages, stemming from the early rise of agriculture after the last Ice Age.”

              “Diamond argues that Eurasian civilization is not so much a product of ingenuity, but of opportunity and necessity. That is, civilization is not created out of superior intelligence, but is the result of a chain of developments, each made possible by certain preconditions.

              The first step towards civilization is the move from nomadic hunter-gatherer to rooted agrarian society. Several conditions are necessary for this transition to occur: access to high-carbohydrate vegetation that endures storage; a climate dry enough to allow storage; and access to animals docile enough for domestication and versatile enough to survive captivity. Control of crops and livestock leads to food surpluses. Surpluses free people to specialize in activities other than sustenance and support population growth. The combination of specialization and population growth leads to the accumulation of social and technologic innovations which build on each other. Large societies develop ruling classes and supporting bureaucracies, which in turn lead to the organization of nation-states and empires.[2]

              Although agriculture arose in several parts of the world, Eurasia gained an early advantage due to the greater availability of suitable plant and animal species for domestication. In particular, Eurasia has barley, two varieties of wheat, and three protein-rich pulses for food; flax for textiles; and goats, sheep, and cattle. Eurasian grains were richer in protein, easier to sow, and easier to store than American maize or tropical bananas.”

              “Eurasia’s dense populations, high levels of trade, and living in close proximity to livestock resulted in widespread transmission of diseases, including from animals to humans. Smallpox, measles, and influenza were the result of close proximity between dense populations of animals and humans. Natural selection forced Eurasians to develop immunity to a wide range of pathogens. When Europeans made contact with the Americas, European diseases (to which Americans had no immunity) ravaged the indigenous American population, rather than the other way around (the “trade” in diseases was a little more balanced in Africa and southern Asia: endemic malaria and yellow fever made these regions notorious as the “white man’s grave”;[4] and syphilis may have originated in the Americas).[5] The European diseases – the germs of the book’s title – decimated indigenous populations so that relatively small numbers of Europeans could maintain their dominance.[2][3]

              Diamond also proposes geographical explanations for why western European societies, rather than other Eurasian powers such as China, have been the dominant colonizers,[2][6] claiming Europe’s geography favored balkanization into smaller, closer, nation-states, bordered by natural barriers of mountains, rivers, and coastline. Threats posed by immediate neighbours ensured governments that suppressed economic and technological progress soon corrected their mistakes or were outcompeted relatively quickly, whilst the region’s leading powers changed over time. Other advanced cultures developed in areas whose geography was conducive to large, monolithic, isolated empires, without competitors that might have forced the nation to reverse mistaken policies such as China banning the building of ocean-going ships. Western Europe also benefited from a more temperate climate than Southwestern Asia where intense agriculture ultimately damaged the environment, encouraged desertification, and hurt soil fertility.”

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 10, 2017

              @traveller, hilarious that you should mention GG&S, I literally borrowed it from my uncle in Rotorua this weekend – it’s next on the list. I am aware of its main arguments, though.

              The question I was posing to Trumpenreich above was a deliberate attempt to see how he understands race & culture to fit into current sociological theories such as those in GG&S and Why Nations Fail.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 10, 2017

              I’ve also seen an argument that only nations with a Christian heritage have managed to sustain democratic governments with consequent protections for freedoms and individual property. Could be a correlation not causation factor though.

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  July 10, 2017

              The other main argument in GG&S is that the inherent advantage in the fertile crescent, as mentioned above, was easily transferable across the whole Northern Hemisphere as it’s east/west axis means the climate is similar right across. So what grew in the crescent was able to adapt quickly from England to China, whereas in Africa and America the North/South axis meant it took many many years for produce to acclimatise to the different climates.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 10, 2017

              @Alan, certainly Acemoglu & Robinson don’t attribute it to Christianity at all, and I can’t see it fitting within Diamond’s theory either. And there seem to be plenty of present-day counterfactuals and historical examples where Christian societies were quite destructive of prosperity. I’d suggest that it’s more that Christianity was in the right-place, right-time with regard to the Glorious and Industrial revolutions, rather than their cause.

              But I’m not a historian and happy to be presented with evidence that Christianity was a proximate cause of the inclusive institutions which fostered productivity growth, etc.

            • Gezza

               /  July 10, 2017

              I think one area where the churches were very influential was in scholarly fields & in the maintenance & development of education & learning during the dark ages.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 10, 2017

              Seems to me the argument would be that Christianity introduced the moral imperative to treat the “other” (gentile, samaritan) as oneself thus underpinning support for open markets, other people’s property, respect for other political views – and without this, open democracy cannot survive. And the challenge would be to show any counter-examples, in particular successful democracies that developed and survived without that moral foundation.

            • Mefrostate

               /  July 11, 2017

              To me it looks like a pretty weak link and more like a minor correlation within much larger factors. Certainly you’d need to provide more proof than just your musings above, otherwise you veer into trumpenreich levels of mis-attribution.

              Forbes have an interesting article on this though.
              https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2013/05/29/is-religion-an-essential-driver-of-economic-growth/#5d913684206e

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 10, 2017

      Does Trumpen mean ‘pidgin’ English ?

      There are so many witless generalisations in his longgggggggg posts that it would take all night to address them.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 10, 2017

        Not to mention glaring errors of style, language and fact…

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  4. Brown

     /  July 10, 2017

    I can still recall seeing my first 50 cent coin at the Mayfair picture theartre in New Plymouth. It was among Mum & Dad’s change. The carpet was red and I think I had a jersey on of a style that David Bain would make famous. The good old days….

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 10, 2017

      The noted economist Rob Muldoon was under secretary for finance at the time and took responsibility for the introduction of the decimal currency.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 10, 2017

      I ended up arguing with a kiwi dairy owner because my sixpences & pennies & 3ds I added up to the price of a single strip Cadbury Fruit & Nut chocolate bar, but he reckoned I was short a cent!

      Numbers just don’t get up & dance for me the way words & music do. I hated doing sums & calculations in pounds shillings and pence. I loved the changeover to decimal currency. Best thing ever I thought.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 10, 2017

        PS: I got the chocolate bar! 💪 😀

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 10, 2017

          I can never see why we couldn’t do as the UK did and keep pounds & pence rather than going to dollars; just change the numbers.

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          • Gezza

             /  July 11, 2017

            It was just a simpler solution to shift to the name of the decimal currency system most well known – dollars & cents. The UK I think stuck with pounds shillings & pence – the Sterling system. It would have been confusing at the time to have a different concept of pounds & pence. It was the right decision. It was a painless conversion, done under Muldoon’s oversight, & was really well handled as I recall.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 11, 2017

              The names didn’t cause major headaches in the UK, except among the innumerate. 1/- was now 5p. I can’t see that changing the name achieved anything.

            • Gezza

               /  July 11, 2017

              I don’t think you’re thinking about what I said. When did the UK decimalise? Did they do it at the same time as us? And I seem to recall for some time them using the phrase “new pence” – so I’m not sure it was a straight overnight shift to decimal without a name change, at least initially.

          • Gezza

             /  July 11, 2017

            I was hoping I might at least get ONE uptick for getting the chocolate bar. I was only pretty little. 😕

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  5. Corky

     /  July 10, 2017

    ”What an awful non-Kiwi accent.”

    I agree….although, at least we know what he was talking about. Nowdays you need a interpreter. I still have the conversion rulers issued at the time. I used to spend all my time in class tilting the ruler so the ruler face would turn from one currency to another. I didn’t know what it meant, but it was cool.

    Talking of money, it obvious the 10 and 20 cent pieces are on death row. After that will come the withdrawal of coinage in favour of digital currency. After that the black market collapses, and all those nutty conspiracy theories bible bashing conservatives warn about will come to fruition.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 10, 2017

      Somebody told me cheques are to be phased out in the not too distant future. Anyone else heard that?

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      • Corky

         /  July 10, 2017

        I haven’t heard that. But cheques will no doubt die with our generation, sooner rather then later.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 10, 2017

          I haven’t had a cheque book for many years.

          I seldom have a cheque, either, but I can see a place for them or something like them.

          Internet banking is the way for me. I can do all my bills in a couple of minutes, such as they are, and save 22% on the power bill by paying online and on time. Why would anyone queue at the PO and pay 100% when they are with Contact (my powerco) ?

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          • Gezza

             /  July 11, 2017

            Internet banking & online bill payment for me too Kitty. Ma’s still doing cheques, cash withdrawals at el banco, & cash or cheque payments at counters.

            I gave up trying to get ma to learn computers & to text. She’s 90, & uses her cellphone to call me if she’s out & about, in town, or at the hospital – like when dad got admitted last, & then switches it off unless there’s a reason to leave it on. It’s no use leaving her a message on the cellphone. She’s got no idea how to call voicemail, teaching her was another another ultimately fruitless task.

            Before she died two years ago my real mum was famous for her texts & sometimes unusual weekly emails to friends and family. She had a laptop, and an iPad (this one, I inherited it) & even learned online banking when she was in a Rest Home. To be fair she was 3 years younger than ma though – & although she didn’t ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING (except computers & cellphones) like ma, mum’s relative youth – & having my brother & sister handy to teach her – possibly made it easier for her to pick it up?

            Now I think of it, I think it was ma who assured me cheques would soon be being phased out, because she heard it on talkback on ZB.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 11, 2017

              Our old answerphone was very simple-just press a button and the message was played. It even flashed a little light to say that a message was waiting. I now have the kind where I have to ring 789 and then use a pin.

              Don’t you hate it when the person says their number so fast that you have to play it over and over ? I always repeat mine so as to give the person time to pick up a pen.

              The old answerphones are still around.

              Online banking is safe and secure and so EASY that I can’t understand anyone NOT doing it. My late elderly neighbour was iffy about eftpos until I persuaded her that it wasn’t, as she had thought, like a credit card but only let what was in the account come out.

              A friend puts everything onto her credit card then pays it at once and makes enough of a profit to make it worthwhile.

              Online shopping is brilliant for things where you don’t need to be there to choose them-$5 delivery and a yummy young man brings it to the door.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 11, 2017

              She’s right-it will be done by 2018.

            • Gezza

               /  July 11, 2017

              This is not as helpful a piece of information from you as it could perhaps be. How do you know that?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 11, 2017

              Lovely memories G. My dear old Ma (89) can turn her poota on and with me taking remote control gets a real kick out of those emails coming down out of ‘the cloud’. Unfortunately ‘the leaf man’ is always watching. She carts her eftpos card around with her and her passcode moves around a bit so she’s basically helpless. She looks so feeble though most folks can’t do enough for her. Strangers flick her 20 bucks at the checkout when ‘the leaf man’ has changed her passcode and she starts to cause a ruckus

            • Gezza

               /  July 11, 2017

              Is she still living in her own home c?

              If Kitty’s right, ma will want to pull cash out & pay cash – but I’ll try & persuade her to move to automatic payments for the regular bills. Ma’s a control freak & capable of imagining hundreds of scenarios by which automatic payments could wrong & she will struggle to let go of any of the absolute & ruthless control over her hard-earned, carefully invested $ which she has always exercised. Her & her bank tellers & the chequebook & the term investment people are 👌.

  6. NOEL

     /  July 10, 2017

    Military like all Government department in the day put all employees on decimalization courses. First impression was this is an improvement over the maths at school.
    Later went into engineering and it is taking forever for SAE and Whitworth etc to be replaced by metric.

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