The mess in the US

The mess in the US is looking messier.

The latest news claims that the ‘private memos’ of James Comey contained classified information, and Donald Trump Jr has been more closely linked to Russian interefrence in last year’s election.

The Hill: Comey’s private memos on Trump conversations contained classified material

More than half of the memos former FBI Director James Comey wrote as personal recollections of his conversations with President Trump about the Russia investigation have been determined to contain classified information, according to interviews with officials familiar with the documents.

This revelation raises the possibility that Comey broke his own agency’s rules and ignored the same security protocol that he publicly criticized Hillary Clinton over in the waning days of the 2016 presidential election.

Comey testified last month before the Senate Intelligence Committee that he considered the memos to be personal documents and that he shared at least one of them with a friend.

Comey insisted in his testimony he believed his personal memos were unclassified, though he hinted one or two documents he created might have been contained classified information.

President Trump dived in to that –  Trump on Monday morning tweeted out an angry response: “James Comey leaked CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to the media. That is so illegal!”

But his son Donald trump Jr has been linked more closely to Russian interference in the election.

NY Times: Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign

Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.

The email to the younger Mr. Trump was sent by Rob Goldstone, a publicist and former British tabloid reporter who helped broker the June 2016 meeting. In a statement on Sunday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he was interested in receiving damaging information about Mrs. Clinton, but gave no indication that he thought the lawyer might have been a Kremlin proxy.

Mr. Goldstone’s message, as described to The New York Times by the three people, indicates that the Russian government was the source of the potentially damaging information.

There is no evidence to suggest that the promised damaging information was related to Russian government computer hacking that led to the release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. The meeting took place less than a week before it was widely reported that Russian hackers had infiltrated the committee’s servers.

But the email is likely to be of keen interest to the Justice Department and congressional investigators, who are examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government tried to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump.

And the NY Times now has a copy of the email: Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said

The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would most likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

This is now under more investigation.

The Justice Department, as well as the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, is examining whether any of President Trump’s associates colluded with the Russian government to disrupt last year’s election. American intelligence agencies have determined that the Russian government tried to sway the election in favor of Mr. Trump.

Trump Jr has been defending himself via Twitter.

On Monday, Donald Trump Jr. said on Twitter that it was hardly unusual to take information on an opponent.

On Tuesday morning, he tweeted, “Media & Dems are extremely invested in the Russia story. If this nonsense meeting is all they have after a yr, I understand the desperation!”

After being told that The Times was about to publish the content of the emails, instead of responding to a request for comment, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out images of them himself on Tuesday.

“To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails” about the June 9 meeting, he wrote. “I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn’t work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet.”

Both Putin and President Trump have tried to distance themselves.

A spokesman for Mr. Putin said on Monday that he did not know Ms. Veselnitskaya and that he had no knowledge of the June 2016 meeting.

Back in Washington, both the White House and a spokesman for President Trump’s lawyer have taken pains to distance the president from the meeting, saying that he did he not attend it and that he learned about it only recently.

So his sone, his son-in-law and and his campaign boss said nothing to him at the time? And have said nothing to him since, even though it has been a prominent ongoing topic?

The president has denied any collusion with Russia over the election, but he looks like he could sink into the mire.

This draining the swamp thing may take a while yet.

Especially when the Trumps look as murky as anyone else.

UPDATE: Murkier

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  1. Also: U.S. officials say Russian government hackers have penetrated energy and nuclear company business networks

    Russian government hackers were behind recent cyber-intrusions into the business systems of U.S. nuclear power and other energy companies in what appears to be an effort to assess their networks, according to U.S. government officials.

    The U.S. officials said there is no evidence the hackers breached or disrupted the core systems controlling operations at the plants, so the public was not at risk. Rather, they said, the hackers broke into systems dealing with business and administrative tasks, such as personnel.

    At the end of June, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security sent a joint alert to the energy sector stating that “advanced, persistent threat actors” — a euphemism for sophisticated foreign hackers — were stealing network log-in and password information to gain a foothold in company networks. The agencies did not name Russia.

    The campaign marks the first time Russian government hackers are known to have wormed their way into the networks of American nuclear power companies, several U.S. and industry officials said. And the penetration could be a sign that Russia is seeking to lay the groundwork for more damaging hacks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-officials-say-russian-government-hackers-have-penetrated-energy-and-nuclear-company-business-networks/2017/07/08/bbfde9a2-638b-11e7-8adc-fea80e32bf47_story.html

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 12, 2017

      Of course the USA under Globalists has NEVER hacked any other country’s networks or spied on them, or unduly influenced their national politics.

      So it really is terribly immoral when anyone tries to do that to the USA.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  July 12, 2017

    Mr Trunp is that the smell of a smoking Russian gun in trump jnrs hand

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      An American gun and a Russian bullet desperately wanting to smoke together

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 12, 2017

      No,

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 12, 2017

        The engagement is announced between Smoking Gun Trump of Washington (son of Donald Trump and Ivana Trump) and Russian Bullet Putin (daughter of Vlad ‘the Impaler’ )of Moscow.

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 12, 2017

      This latest Trump Jr. scandal will probably only further encourage more obstructing by Republican congressmen.

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 12, 2017

      In the end it doesn’t matter, the flawed Trump is a wrecking ball swung at the center of the Globalist Leviathan by White America making one final effort to defend itself.

      The Globalist Project has imploded and the political landscape has been irreversibly changed.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      No point in quoting Fake News Fox here PG. They’ve already admitted to over-cooking the Comey story – no sign yet whether they’ll do the right and proper thing by following CNN’s lead and fire the churnalists who cooked this up.

      Incidentally, The Hill report doesn’t claim that Comey actually leaked classified information to the New York Times or anyone else. Just that some of the memos contained classified info. And the writer notes that what was classified may have been retroactively classified after the existence of the memos was made public… what a way to set Comey up…classify his conversations after the event then accuse him of disrespecting their sensitivity.

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  4. Brown

     /  July 12, 2017

    This is what happens when you get someone outside the trough running things. If Clinton had won the stinking mess would still be rolling along. Politicians are the origin of life – the primordial scum in the pond.

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    • duperez

       /  July 12, 2017

      The primordial scum in the pond? And those outside the prime time frame joined in when? Or was there some parallel other dimension at the exact same time when business people were primordial scum in the pond. And another with religious people?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 12, 2017

        Brown demonstrates that Christians can be as judgemental as anyone else.

        He doesn’t seem very familiar with the Bible !

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  5. Is this it?……….typical grubby American politics where the dirt team dig for dirt and don’t tell the candidate much about it. God the Dem’s are desperate….

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      Talking about typical desperate grubby plays… We’ve read tens of thousands of Hillary’s emails at the behest of bigly donny and the Republicans; and the FBI spent a year investigating them.

      Not a single speck as troubling as one email from donny jr

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      • MaureenW

         /  July 12, 2017

        You would have to wonder why the Democrats don’t wind up the Russia-Trump narrative, all it has done for them is lose. Hillary Clinton isn’t coming back to lead the Dems to victory, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see her indicted for espionage.

        http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/341493-opinion-forget-don-jrs-email-its-hillary-clinton-who-colluded-with

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        • In the Times’ first story published Saturday, reporting a meeting among Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, and a Russian lawyer, the meeting is curiously described as “previously unreported,” despite the fact that both Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort disclosed the meeting before the Times’ reporting.

          The Times’ own reporting admits this several paragraphs down and then adds, “Because Donald Trump Jr. does not serve in the administration and does not have a security clearance, he was not required to disclose his foreign contacts.” In short, this meeting, which was portrayed as nefarious across several anti-Trump media outlets, was disclosed and openly reported by its attendees — Kushner and Manafort.

          The Times’ Monday night reporting went further in suggesting the email setting up the meeting promised damning Clinton information provided by the Russian government.

          Again, in a move of full transparency, Trump Jr. publicly released the entire email chain on Twitter. The initial email states that the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” offered to provide the Trump campaign with “information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.”

          In other words, the information Trump Jr. initially expressed interest in receiving was not hacked emails or illegally obtained documents but apparently information about Clinton’s official Secretary of State dealings with Russia. At the time the information was offered on June 3, 2016, there was no information suggesting Russian hackers were responsible for the hacking of the DNC. Donald Trump Jr., in other words, had no reason to believe that the information he sought was little more than opposition research.”

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      • yawwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn…..

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  6. (Not a Democrat) Lindsey Graham: Emails from Donald Trump Jr. are ‘disturbing’

    Senator Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said emails released Tuesday by Donald Trump Jr about a meeting he had with a Russian source were “disturbing.”

    “Okay, so any time you’re in a campaign and you get a offer from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is no,” Graham said. “So, I don’t know what Mr. Trump Jr.’s version of the facts are. Definitely he has to testify. That email is disturbing.”

    Senator Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said emails released Tuesday by Donald Trump Jr about a meeting he had with a Russian source were “disturbing.”

    “Okay, so any time you’re in a campaign and you get a offer from a foreign government to help your campaign, the answer is no,” Graham said. “So, I don’t know what Mr. Trump Jr.’s version of the facts are. Definitely he has to testify. That email is disturbing.”

    Graham is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, other members of which have already said they now will be prioritizing some kind of interview or testimony with Trump Jr.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lindsey-graham-emails-from-donald-trump-jr-are-disturbing/article/2628271

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      If a culture of dishonesty takes root in an administration, how can Americans believe anything its officials say?

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      • duperez

         /  July 12, 2017

        “Culture of dishonesty takes root in an administration” in America as if that is some sort of dire warning?
        Would the same warning come if there were the hint of dishonesty taking root in an administration far closer to home?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 12, 2017

      I’m struggling to figure out why it’s disturbing when the Russians tell Trump nasty things about Clinton but not when the Russians tell the Democrats nasty things about Trump?

      Or are we supposed to forget about the Trump dossier?

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      • This is so one-sided and painful. Trump Jnr is under no obligation to declare meeting. Also, this meeting was already declared by Kuchner and Manafort.

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  7. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 12, 2017

    Trump Jr. was clearly soliciting information that he knew was coming from a foreign source. Given that political campaigns pay to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.

    The solicitation bit is why it doesn’t matter if Trump Jr. actually got useful information. The part that’s illegal is trying to acquire dirt on Clinton from a foreign source, not successfully acquiring it. And his statement admits that he did, in fact, solicit this information.

    That’s a federal crime right there.

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  9. Bizarre:

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  11. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 12, 2017

    From Benjamin Wittes at Lawfareblog.com:

    Notably, these stories are not “leaks”—that is, improper disclosures from investigators or congressional overseers. The first story is sourced to an individual involved in the effort that the story describes who independently sought out the Wall Street Journal to tell his tale, along with other non-government sources connected to the matter. The second story is sourced to individuals “briefed on” and “with knowledge” of the relevant material, including “three advisers to the White House,” who described the relevant information to the New York Times. Some of the story is sourced to private defense lawyers communicating with reporters in an effort to help their clients.

    And while the stories don’t—yet—show any actual collusive agreement or specific actions, they do show two separate incidents in which the Trump campaign or someone purporting to act on its behalf knowingly sought to engage Russian representatives in order to garner damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

    In other words, if the Trump campaign didn’t collude with the Russians, it wasn’t for lack of trying.

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    • duperez

       /  July 12, 2017

      That would be a fair assessment a high quality parent would make. 😊

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      Even trump’s Ministry of Propaganda is turning against him:

      Donald Trump, Jr.’s repeated explanations of what happened do not provide the necessary clarification needed about the full extent of this meeting.

      Looking forward, it is imperative now that not only the relevant House and Senate committees complete full investigations into what exactly happened, but that Special Counselor Bob Mueller and his investigative team determine what transpired, what information may or not have been shared, and specifically between which parties.

      Clearly, such clarity demands more than just a few email screenshots and rushed statements via Twitter. American voters deserve honesty from our leadership and to know the full truth about the Trump campaign’s associations with Russian nationals.

      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/11/donald-trump-jr-tweets-reveal-one-thing-american-people-deserve-answers.html

      Treasure this moment, dear friends, when the cannibals start eating their own babies … but don’t hold your breath for the Republican apparatchiks to do anything.

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  14. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 12, 2017

    Remember the Steele dossier, anyone? It’s looking a helluva lot more compelling and on-the-money today.

    donny jr has just done what Steele couldn’t do: produce evidence that the trump campaign was—or wanted to be—in collusion with a foreign adversary to win the White House.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 12, 2017

      .. by releasing truth about Clinton? How wicked.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 12, 2017

        what’s wicked is your snow-job post demonstrating you don’t know a federal crime from the hole in the ground that donny jr’s now hiding in.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  July 12, 2017

        Nothing is as pathetic as a trump zealot, blinder than a bat but not as smart…

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  15. Zedd

     /  July 12, 2017

    … the FAKE news from the FAKE President continues…. 😦

    I hear the odds against him lasting the year out; are rising.. :/

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  16. High Flying Duck

     /  July 12, 2017

    If only Hilary had been elected, we could have had the whole “Ukraine Scandal” instead…

    “Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.

    Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

    A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

    The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 12, 2017

      Bwahaha, the axis of moral blindness is strong in this one…

      Reply

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