Trump claims Democrats just as bad

I’m not sure that claiming the Democrats were as bad as the Trump team but that seems to be the current ‘attack is defence’ of President Trump.

I’d be quite happy to see the same standards of holding to account applied to the Democrats and the Trumps.

Fox News is leading with Trump unloads on Hillary over double standard, amid reports Dems also got foreign help

President Trump ripped Hillary Clinton and fellow Democrats Wednesday over what he described as a double standard for their respective associates’ alleged coordination with foreign governments in the 2016 campaign.

The president has been on defense over fresh revelations of a meeting his eldest son held last year with a Russian lawyer who promised dirt on Clinton.

The news report refers back to the questionable dossier — written by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele and allegedly distributed by Fusion GPS — which contained unverified allegations against the Trump team.

Fusion GPS, the Democrat-funded opposition research firm, allegedly paid Steele with money from a Clinton backer. The dossier eventually fell into the hands of the FBI.

The White House and Trump allies also have cited a reported meeting between a DNC consultant and officials at the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, D.C., last year.

“If you are looking for an example of a campaign coordinating with a foreign country or a foreign source, look no further than the DNC which actually coordinated opposition research with the Ukrainian Embassy,” White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Monday.

“This is not an accusation. That is an on-the-record action that they took,” Sanders said.

‘Look over there, they were crap too’ has become a common diversion tactic for Trump.

The meeting Sanders referred to was first reported in January by Politico. The report cited a meeting between Ukrainian government officials who allegedly tried to help Clinton undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office and shared research and damaging information on Trump and his advisers with Clinton allies.

The Ukrainian Embassy pushed back on Sanders’ characterization, saying: “Unfortunately, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee-Sanders must have been misinformed about Ukraine and the DNC.

“The Embassy of Ukraine in Washington did not coordinate with the DNC about opposition research. While some politicians who are not part of the Ukrainian government might have taken sides during last year’s elections in the U.S., the government of Ukraine did not,” the statement said.

More from Fox:

Also: Grassley probing how Russian lawyer got into US after visa denial

The Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. in a controversial June 2016 sit-down had been denied a visa to the enter the United States months before the infamous encounter – and a powerful senator wants to find out how she ended up in America anyway.

“She shouldn’t have been in the country,” Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, told “Fox & Friends” on Wednesday.

The senior lawmaker is raising questions about how Natalia Veselnitskaya was able to gain access to the U.S. for a June 9 meeting with Trump Jr., then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and senior aide and President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

But Fox promoting the defence of the Trumps won’t stop probes into what their campaign did.

Reuters:  Trump Jr.’s Russia emails could trigger probe under election law

Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a woman he was told was a Russian government lawyer who had incriminating information about Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton that could help his father’s presidential campaign could lead investigators to probe whether he violated U.S. election law, experts said.

Trump Jr. said in his tweets that nothing came of the meeting. Veselnitskaya told NBC News early on Tuesday she was not affiliated with the Russian government and had passed no information.

“In retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently,” Trump Jr. said in an interview on Fox News. “For me, this was opposition research.”

Collusion itself is not an actual crime under the U.S. criminal code, so prosecutors would look to see if Trump Jr.’s conduct ran afoul of a specific law, legal experts said.

One law that might come into play is the Federal Election Campaign Act, which makes it illegal for a foreign national to contribute to a U.S. political campaign. The campaign is also prohibited from soliciting such contributions.

Regardless of whether any laws were broken this week’s revelations have shown that denials of meeting with or collusion with Russians or the Russian government by Trump and his family and campaign team have proven to be wrong and false.

 

 

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  1. James Clinger, a longtime Republican congressional staffer picked by Trump in June to lead the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, is bowing out for family reasons, a White House spokeswoman said Wednesday.

    Not specified if it was Clinger family reasons or trump family reasons.

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    • Plot thickens

      “The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump’s inner circle was initially cleared into the United States by the Justice Department under “extraordinary circumstances” before she embarked on a lobbying campaign last year that ensnared the president’s eldest son, members of Congress, journalists and State Department officials, according to court and Justice Department documents and interviews.

      This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

      Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president’s eldest son.

      Just five days after meeting in June 2016 at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner and then Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Moscow attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya showed up in Washington in the front row of a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Russia policy, video footage of the hearing shows.

      She also engaged in a pro-Russia lobbying campaign and attended an event at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. where Russian supporters showed a movie that challenged the underpinnings of the U.S. human rights law known as the Magnitysky Act, which Russian leader Vladimir Putin has reviled and tried to reverse.

      The Magnitsky Act imposed financial and other sanctions on Russia for alleged human rights violations connected to the death of a Russian lawyer who claimed to uncover fraud during Putin’s reign. Russia retaliated after the law was passed in 2012 by suspending Americans’ ability to adopt Russian children.

      At least five congressional staffers and State Department officials attended that movie showing, according to a Foreign Agent Registration Act complaint filed with the Justice Department about Veselnitskaya’s efforts.”

      http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

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  2. Getting more than a little sick of the endless Trump bashing throughout the media.
    He is NOT our President, never has been and never will.
    So why are our fake news outlets so slavishly following their American fake news outlets?

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    • Trumpenreich

       /  July 13, 2017

      “So why are our fake news outlets so slavishly following their American fake news outlets?”

      Because the Globalist vampire squid tentacles reach everywhere.

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    • David

       /  July 13, 2017

      Click bait. Any article on Trump sees large traffic.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 13, 2017

        It is a worry that this manchild egomaniac is leading that large country !

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 13, 2017

          Why? What has he done to frighten the horses?

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          • Joe Bloggs

             /  July 13, 2017

            Try this for size:

            The government of the United States is a shambles. An incompetent administration headed by an unqualified buffoon is now descending into criminal comedy and maladroit backstabbing. It is an administration that not only self-destructs, but glories in the process. There seems to be no end to it, and no desire to end it by the people who actually have the power to do so. …

            There’s a great unfolding treason now—not just the precise constitutionally defined treason, but a general betrayal of reason, of self-government, of honesty and of high office. They are now committing treason against themselves, grim betrayal winding around itself in coils ever tightening until there is nothing but the foul exhaling of the final breath of things that once belonged to better people than them.

            http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a56258/donald-trump-jr-email/

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 13, 2017

              Ranting. Meanwhile the economy is doing well and overseas messes that Obama created or perpetuated are being cleaned up. No wonder the Left are hysterical.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  July 13, 2017

              It’s a bloody good rant though Sir Al… and all brought on by your clown in the White House

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 13, 2017

              The eye of the beholder, Joe. Yours is out on a stalk looking for trouble. Mine is quietly watching for meaningful action.

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              Mine is watching what is being said by sources or those involved other than Trump or the US media outlets – and waiting for the long term results to see if the trumpeting of success is actually success or showbiz. Remember Mission Accomplished? Another jingoistic blowhard.

  3. I am sick of the constant Trump bashing throughout the world.

    The absolute travesty and corruption that is the Clinton email/FBI investigation is where the focus should be. Despite the attempt at diversion by the Dems it still carries on – this time with the appointment hearings of the new FBI director

    “FBI document dump reveals secrets of Clinton probe as new director nominee faces Senate”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/fbi-document-dump-reveals-secrets-clinton-probe-as-new-director-nominee-faces-senate.html

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    • artcroft

       /  July 13, 2017

      Personally I’d like to congratulate myself and all the other Trump haters here who saw through Trump on day one. I can’t though as it was blindingly obvious and you can’t be congratulated for seeing that.

      I’d also offer commiserations to all the Trump supporting who are living through disappointment right now – but I’m snickering too much to get the words out.

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      • MaureenW

         /  July 13, 2017

        “Trump hater”? Says more about you than Trump.

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        • artcroft

           /  July 13, 2017

          Yes, you’re right. It demonstrates my impeccable judgement, my clarity of thought and the shine on my six shooter. #make Art Croft great again

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          • Joe Bloggs

             /  July 13, 2017

            Touché …

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 13, 2017

              No. Touched.

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              Both wrong. Too soon to say.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 13, 2017

              Fence sitter G …contemptible

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              Nope. Observer & historian.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 13, 2017

              Vascillating ditherer…

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              1. Rob Muldoon. New Zealand the way you want it. Rob’s mob. Strong leader. Knew it all.
              2. Roger Douglas administration.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 13, 2017

              3. David Lange uranium miner

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              Mix David Lange & Robert Muldoon together & blend them with a mixer, you get Donald Trump.

      • Trumpenreich

         /  July 13, 2017

        “I’d like to congratulate myself…I’m snickering too much”

        You don’t understand.that Trump has been hurled into the Washington DC viper pit as a hand grenade by Heritage America.

        You also don’t learn. Your female snark and smarmy attitude is like that of the alphabet news media in the run up to the US 2016 election. Remember how that turned out.

        AntiTrumpsters are such cry babies!:

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      • You’ve got NOTHING artcroft. Zero

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        • artcroft

           /  July 13, 2017

          Fake News. Who do you really work for Trav? CNN? MSNBC? ABC?

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  4. artcroft

     /  July 13, 2017

    Donald “I only tried to collude with the Russians” Trump Jr is due for a meeting with Special Prosecutor Muller shortly. He’d better get his lines well rehearsed cos lying to a Special Prosecutor means jail time. # ooh aren’t those handcuffs shiny.

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    • David

       /  July 13, 2017

      “Donald “I only tried to collude with the Russians” Trump Jr”

      I don’t understand, Trump Sr is in bed with Putin and is already his puppet, why on earth does Jr need to talk with a 3rd rate lawyer to get some minor dirt on Clinton, daddy has a direct connection to the motherload.

      Anyone who believes Jr was attempting to collude with the Russians is admitting that Trump Sr is not colluding with the Russians.

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      • artcroft

         /  July 13, 2017

        He’s like a baby bird learning to fly by copying his dad.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 13, 2017

        Yeah nah…anyone who believes Fredo was attempting to collude with the Russians has been vindicated… Next on the growing list is Jared Kushner…

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        • David

           /  July 13, 2017

          “anyone who believes Fredo was attempting to collude with the Russians has been vindicated”

          That’s not ever been the narrative. It’s always been Putin hacked the election and Trump colluded with Russia. Your now saying it was just a half assed attempt by jr to get some dirt from a Russian lawyer with no clear connection to the Russian government at all.

          You sunk your own battleship….

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          • artcroft

             /  July 13, 2017

            The narrative is that the Russian Govt launched a series of fake news websites to encourage Americans to vote for Trump. They also hacked the DNC server and leaked details to Wikileaks. When questioned about this Trump began lying. He kept lying. It looked like he had something to hide, so questions kept coming. He fired Comey. It looked like he had something to hide. Turns out he was lying for a reason.

            That’s the narrative.

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            • MaureenW

               /  July 13, 2017

              I pity you – have a cup of tea and a lie down.

            • David

               /  July 13, 2017

              “The narrative is that the Russian Govt launched a series of fake news websites to encourage Americans to vote for Trump”

              Care to provide a reference for these websites and evidence they influenced the election?

              “They also hacked the DNC server and leaked details to Wikileaks. ”

              Perhaps the DNC should not have kept details on their server that they would not want the voting public to see. Or better yet, not do things in secret they didn’t want voters to know about? Perhaps you could even provide some evidence that Russia hacked the DNC too, because no one else has this evidence.

              “When questioned about this Trump began lying. He kept lying.”

              So he knew all about it then did he?

              “He fired Comey.”

              Comey has covered himself in gold now has he?

              ” It looked like he had something to hide.Turns out he was lying for a reason.”

              So your reason for Trump’s lies is that his son met with a Russian lawyer in a failed attempt to get some dirt on Clinton? That’s it? That’s all you have?

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  July 13, 2017

            Bwahaha, funny stuff David… No Fredo’s real narrative went something like this:

            March – I never had meetings with Russians

            Last Saturday – OK so I had a meeting… but it’s all ok we just talked about adoption

            Last Sunday – OK so I had a meeting with somebody I believed was representing the Russian government… but it’s all OK ‘cos we mainly talked about adoption, and a bit about Clinton

            Last Monday – so we mainly talked about Clinton but it was a fizzer… oh, and that’s right Russian adoptions were stopped by Putin because of sanctions put in place by the U.S. government after the election hacking, so to talk about adoptions resuming I guess we also had to talk about the sanctions… but it’s all OK ‘cos, well… daddy

            Last Tuesday – OK you sprung me. We went looking for dirt on Clinton from a foreign power, but I didn’t know that violates the election laws of the United States, which prohibit foreign nationals from contributing any “thing of value” to an electoral campaign… oh, and Kushner and Manafort clearly knew the purpose of the meeting and went to it… oh, and here’s the smoking gun…

            —-

            The real narrative is that a business associate wrote to junior offering assistance that would violate U.S. law. But rather than rebuff the offer, junior expressed enthusiasm for it, and even suggested an ideal timing to disclose the ill-gotten gains to the public. The meeting in and of itself might not establish a crime – but it sure as hell establishes motive.

            Another real narrative is that everyone connected to the trump administration lied and lied repeatedly about events, and even as these events unfold the lies continue.

            Ironic eh, when the biggest witch-hunt in history actually turns up witches…

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  5. sorethumb

     /  July 13, 2017

    A 2014 Massey University study, for example, showed that 22 percent of New Zealand journalists considered themselves Centrists. Just 16 percent said they were on the Right and fully 62 percent said they were on the Left. Looking at the last decade of election results, do those percentages reflect the sensibilities of modern New Zealand?
    In the last American election, a staggering 96 per cent of donations made by journalists went to Hillary Clinton.
    Given what we know about human nature, I’d say that counsels caution. If you’re unpersuaded, consider Khan Shaykurn again. In light of the sarin attack, Politifact has retracted its 2014 ruling that Kerry was mostly right.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/91383874/check-your-perspective-before-you-check-the-facts

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  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 13, 2017

    So the first Article of Impeachment has just been filed. Time to restock the popcorn, ‘cos trumpengate ain’t gonna get swept under the rug.

    https://sherman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congressman-sherman-introduces-article-of-impeachment-obstruction-of

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 13, 2017

      The loony Left are wanking again. Ho hum.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 13, 2017

        The 5 Stages of Trump Derangement Syndrome:

        1. “It’s a total lie, never happened, fake news.”

        2. “It happened, but it’s not a big deal.”

        3. “OK it might be a big deal, but it isn’t illegal.”

        4. “OK it’s illegal, but Hillary and Obama something something, so it’s OK.”

        5. “Get over it, snowflake, you’re just a sore loser… and a loony Lefty”

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 13, 2017

          Don’t waste time. Just go straight to #5, Joe.

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        • artcroft

           /  July 13, 2017

          The Fake News Left are now demanding we give them reasoned and evidence based arguments. Sad! # There’s nothing wrong with empty ad hominem insults.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 13, 2017

        No. Trump Derangement Syndrome affects people who are vehemently anti-Trump about anything & everything & can’t the woods for the trees. Al sometimes calls them the loony left because … well … everybody who has an opposite view to him is loony & probably left.

        Trump Besotted Syndrome is what many Trumpophile supporters have – it’s the polar opposite of TDS with the belief everything Trump does is actually some kind of clever plan that will all work out brilliantly in the end because he’s a sharp businessman or he wouldn’t be a boastful egotitical millionaire & any screw ups he makes are actually not screw ups but actually really clever strategy to keep everyone guessing while he fixes everything, everywhere.

        And there are the normal people who see both sides & watch & think & wait and see what happens over the longer term.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 13, 2017

          Fk! *…can’t SEE the woods for the trees.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 13, 2017

          I’m wondering what a poll here would show the splits to be on those definitions, G. My guess would be that an objective test would show a big majority in the first camp because the NZ media has overwhelmingly run that line. And I don’t know how the second two would split but I don’t expect there would be many in the last category.

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    • MaureenW

       /  July 13, 2017

      The Democrats only know how to lose, have some water handy so you don’t choke when they do.

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      • artcroft

         /  July 13, 2017

        What’s the water for? Are you going to offer a choking person water? OMG you Rep’s are evil.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 13, 2017

        Frankly there’s little show that Sherman’s HR438 will pass given the 46 seat advantage the Republicans have in the House and given their propensity to ignore all measures of common decency … but it puts them all on record regarding trump’s impeachment

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  7. duperez

     /  July 13, 2017

    While numbers are sick of “Trump bashing” I don’t mind the observations and opinions on him. Clearly some think he’s the next best thing to God while others think he’s an idiot. Those in either camp are not very welcoming of the views on him from the other. Relax, have a cuppa and some Pie.

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 13, 2017

      When I was a Revolutionary Marxist, we were all in favour of as much immigration as possible.

      It wasn’t because we liked immigrants, but because we didn’t like Britain. We saw immigrants – from anywhere – as allies against the staid, settled, conservative society that our country still was at the end of the Sixties.

      Also, we liked to feel oh, so superior to the bewildered people – usually in the poorest parts of Britain – who found their neighbourhoods suddenly transformed into supposedly ‘vibrant communities’.

      If they dared to express the mildest objections, we called them bigots.

      Revolutionary students didn’t come from such ‘vibrant’ areas (we came, as far as I could tell, mostly from Surrey and the nicer parts of London).

      We might live in ‘vibrant’ places for a few (usually squalid) years, amid unmown lawns and overflowing dustbins.

      But we did so as irresponsible, childless transients – not as homeowners, or as parents of school-age children, or as old people hoping for a bit of serenity at the ends of their lives.
      http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/04/how-i-am-partly-to-blame-for-mass-immigration.html

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  8. sorethumb

     /  July 13, 2017

    One thing that demonstrates the power of a biased media in their representation of the Trump Poland Speech
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Trump+Poland+speech&oq=Trump+Poland+speech&aqs=chrome..69i57.8434j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    The Chritschurch Press repeated The Washington Post
    Fire Lighting 5 stars
    Balance 2 stars

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  9. Zedd

     /  July 13, 2017

    what this.. MORE Fake news, about the latest exploits of the FAKE President of USA/West (?)

    So much for ‘NO evidence of collusion with Russia’, its coming thick & fast

    BUT ‘you cant fool all the people/fools ALL the time’ so now we see the light… 😦

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  10. Conspiratoor

     /  July 13, 2017

    First Russia hacked the election
    Then Russia interfered
    Then Trump Colluded with Russia
    Now another Trump Talked to a Russian
    Tomorrow Ivanka observed drinking smirnoff

    Reminiscent how man made global warming morphed seamlessly into a changing climate

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    • Gezza

       /  July 13, 2017

      What was that last scott adams thing you posted a few days ago. I got busy & never got to read it & haven’t got time to go crawling thru the pages looking for where you posted it.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  July 13, 2017

        Explains why most left wingers can’t recognise satire and uses a satirical tweet to prove it. For exhibit b he constructs his own satirical post but fails on a technicaiity before he can show his hand and put the poor bastards oug of their misery. Shades of what happens here

        http://blog.dilbert.com/post/162786625861/people-who-cant-recognize-humor-literally

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        • Gezza

           /  July 13, 2017

          Righto. Thanks. I’ll have a shufti. I’ve put me red, white & blue striped Sherpa hat on to give it try out but I’ve cut the top tassle off so people won’t think I’m a poofter.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  July 13, 2017

            Missus just plugged the bed in but I’ve switched it off lest folks think I’m a panty waist

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            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              FFS: What does she need a feckin lecky blanket for if you’re there? What kind of a relationship do you call that? 😕

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 13, 2017

              Symbiotic

          • Gezza

             /  July 13, 2017

            “One of the most mind-boggling discoveries I made while becoming a professional humorist is that a large segment of the general public has no sense of humor”.

            😳 Shit! I could be in trouble. I’ll watch the videos. 🤔

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            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              Scott’s second video doesn’t play – it just says “ended 5 days ago”. What a ripoff. I expected better. 😡

              But regarding his article & the first video:

            • Gezza

               /  July 13, 2017

              I don’t think you can conclude lack of a sense of humour is a lefty thing c. I could reel off a list of the humourless or humour anaemic righties here.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 14, 2017

              I was going to challenge you to name one G …and then the penny dropped

            • Gezza

               /  July 14, 2017

              You might be an rsole sumtimes, but you’re NOT one of them c!

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 14, 2017

              Appreciate the kind words G. I remembered the guy who used to fantasize about hanging lesbians up from lamposts. Not sure but I think he’s back although this time a little more subdued

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