Peters wavers over Maori seat referendum

In his speech to the NZ First congress on Sunday Winston Peters said:

I am therefore announcing today that the next government we belong to will offer a binding referendum mid-term to do two things:

Retain or Abolish the Maori seats.

And there will be second referendum on the same day and that will be to Maintain or Reduce the size of Parliament to 100 MPs.

RNZ pointed out: Peters, Jones differ on Māori seats

On the issue of Māori seats (Shane Jones) told The Hui programme he’d keep them but forgot to tell his boss Mr Peters who was put on the spot earlier today.

“That was a long time ago he wasn’t a candidate then.

Morning Report’s Kim Hill pressed Mr Peters again but he held the line and said “No, it wasn’t this month”.

But Mr Jones was officially a New Zealand First candidate when he made the comments just 15 days ago.

“The Māori seats will subsist for as long as people of Māori extraction remain on them or want them to continue, but it’s a kaupapa for the people to decide,” Mr Jones said.

Peters now seems to be rethinking the NZ First position on the referendum.

NZ Herald: NZ First leader Winston Peters hints at re-think on Maori seats referendum

NZ First leader Winston Peters has dismissed suggestions of a revolt in his ranks over the Maori seats, but said he will reveal soon whether his proposed referendum on the future of the seats would be for all voters or for Maori.

Peters announced plans to hold a binding referendum on the future of the seats at his party’s annual conference – a shift from the 2014 position which favoured abolishing the seats but leaving it to Maori themselves to decide when.

That was assumed to be a referendum of all voters – but Peters is now hinting that may not be the case.

Asked about recent comments by both candidate Shane Jones and NZ First MP Pita Paraone about leaving the fate of the seats to Maori voters, Peters said he believed it should be up to Maori.

“Of course it should be up to Maori to decide if the seats go, but I’m making a speech about it very shortly and I will tell you the full parameters of that.

“I’ve heard what has been said by people who have interviewed Pita and maybe others, and the question is whether it is full conscription and I’ll have that answer in a speech I’m giving shortly.”

Perhaps Peters has had a reality check with Maori candidate and Maori voter views.

He may be having a problem with trying to scratch the itch of different voter demographics. Both he and Jones are standing in Northland where there are a lot of Maori voters.

Peters was also incorrect in claiming most Maori weren’t on the Maori roll.

Peters said Maori voters were leaving the Maori seats in their droves and the majority of Maori were on the general roll rather than Maori roll.

However, Electoral Commission statistics show 55 per cent are on the Maori roll and 45 per cent on the general roll.

NZ Herald:

After the last electoral option in 2013, there were 228,718 Maori on the Maori roll and 184,630 on the general roll.

Jones and Paraone are both on the Maori roll.

Peters seems to have announced the referendum ‘bottom line’ without consulting with his Maori candidates.

Peters rejected any suggestion Jones had broken the party line by saying it should be left to Maori, saying Jones made his comments based on the party’s 2014 policy without knowing it was about to change.

“Nothing he said was in conflict with that and he made the point he was going with what he understood the manifesto position to be and he was 100 per cent right. He is not guilty of any sin at all on this score.”

Paraone said he had advocated for a referendum of Maori on the Maori roll only, but accepted the decision caucus made.

“I’d like to see that it’s left to the Maori voters to make that decision, but the announcement has been made.”

Jones said he would leave it to Paraone to comment on the issue as NZ First’s Maori Affairs spokesman. “I abide by the caucus policy.”

Before he abides by caucus policy it sounds like that will have to be determined, as opposed to what Peters said in his speech on Sunday.

 

With the higher than usual likelihood that NZ First will hold the balance of power with potentially a sizeable bloc of the vote more attention is being given to NZ First policy.

And attention is not just on Peters any more, media are also paying a lot of attention to Jones. It is an unfamiliar situation for Peters, sharing the limelight. Differences will attract attention.

Peters has got away with a lot of policy making on the hoof in the past. This campaign that will be more difficult for him.

@jo_moir

Peters saying he’s considering just Maori voting on referendum to abolish seats proves my point about him making policy on the hoof.

On Sunday he was very specific it would be one referendum, two questions, one on Māori seats and one on reducing total MPs.

You can’t have one referendum if you’re having general roll answer one question and Māori roll another. Seems awfully messy!

Jones and Paraone have left him no choice but to throw this out there as an option but it was certainly never the plan. Completely reactive.

Peters has tried to push populist buttons on a new scale, but it may get harder for him to get away with saying contradictory things to different audiences now.

This wavering over the Maori seat referendum also highlights the flexibility of Winston’s implied bottom lines.

If Peters caves on this one it would suggest that any of his campaign demands are negotiable come coalition time.

40 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  July 19, 2017

    ”He may be having a problem with trying to scratch the itch of different voter demographics.”

    That’s always been Winstons problem. Who can forget the clash of contrast watching the ‘Tight Five” sitting next to the ”Blue Rinse Set.”

    I think Winston is just remembering how nasty his people can become ,especially to their own. Maybe repressed memories of how the tight five treated him have bubbled to the surface.

    Like I hinted yesterday, Peters may be running into a little bad luck.

    • Bigger ambitions, bigger risks. Especially for someone who is loose with facts.

      Voters may not care about his inconsistencies and bluster if he is a minor party keeping the other bastards honest. But it changes if he could become the prime bastard.

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2017

        Agreed This may be bizarre times for NZ1 and the Greens as their fortunes wax and wane leading up to the election.

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2017

          Winston’s a bloody dickhead. There. Somebody needs to say it.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 19, 2017

            Problem is that there is a constituency for bloody dickheads. Not so much for boring ones.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Bill just needs a few comedy lessons. He can’t leave it all up to Paula. We could help him, Al. Couldn’t we? I’d help him out. We could email him links to here for material. Couldn’t we 😳❓

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 19, 2017

              Nah, I think Bill’s doomed to play the straight man. Paula will have to step up with the comic plays.

      • Chuck Bird

         /  July 19, 2017

        This is the latest from NZF. It appears there has been some Fake News.

        Referendum On Maori Seats

        19 July 2017
        Rt Hon Winston Peters maori seats

        “At last Sunday’s New Zealand First convention, I set out the double referendum that New Zealand First wanted in mid-term 2017 – 2020.

        “They are:

        1. Retain or abolish the Maori seats

        2. Maintain or reduce the size of Parliament to 100 MP’s

        “Since this time a number of reporters have either written or been confused as to what that means.

        “The words speak for themselves.

        “There is going to be referenda in which every registered voter will be entitled to cast a vote or votes as they choose.

        “NZ First made this announcement after a decision in Caucus some time ago on these precise matters,” says Mr Peters.

        http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/referendum_on_maori_seats

        • It was all the media’s fault.

          Except when Winston got it wrong about when Shane Jones said it should be Maori who choose.

          And did they get this quote wrong? ““Of course it should be up to Maori to decide if the seats go, but I’m making a speech about it very shortly and I will tell you the full parameters of that.”

          • Chuck Bird

             /  July 19, 2017

            I have not heard the audio from the media. Winston position is in audio from convention and is now confirmed in writing.

    • Gezza

       /  July 19, 2017

      Garn. Corks, ya looking at it from the whole wrong direction mate. Forget Winston. He’d be a bloody disaster – if they get lucky porno boy & maybe that cowboy hatter will turn on him & give him the push & they might have a chance to formulate some policy NZF’s actually likely to stick with.

      National & Maori Party in coalition. They’re the go mate. Think about it. Take ya blinkers off – they’re the two that are sorting out the issues the haters have got with disconnected Maori. Crime, single mum baby factories, welfarism, drugs, smoking, literacy, lack of education. Targeted spending. Making a real, actual, bloody difference.

      You have to make a simple decision, fundamentally – who do ya want as PM – Winston, Andrew, Metz or Bill? Forget the rest – maybe see what they’ve got next time?

      Ya’ve not got a great choice there – but Bill knows his onions. He’s up with the play with the economics gurus & while he might’ve told a few white lies over the Barclay disaster, who wouldn’t if they could get away with it? That was a complete bloody shambles, best swept as far under the carpet as you could shove it.

      Bill might be boring, but we’re better off having a boring PM than any of those other three. They’ll all just be a bloody embarrassment!

      National candidate & Maori Party mate. They’re the ones for you to tick off. Get some guts bud. Do it 💪 👍.

      If ya still not happy with how things are going with Maori go after that – I reckon they’ll get better – ya can still maybe just give up, leave it all behind & emigrate to the US? What state did Sessions come from. What about that one?

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2017

        Forget Winston.??! He was never in the equation. Like I said before I will only vote for a party who promised to stop Muslim immigration. No party would have the guts to do that, so I won’t be voting.

        ‘If ya still not happy with how things are going with Maori go after that.”

        Maori aren’t in my equations or worldview. The horse has already bolted, as you will find out when you are paying local iwi for water. I just like giving those people who write about Maori a reality check because its obvious they no nothing about the culture, or its more subtle aspects. It’s a great laugh, but annoying at the same time. In fact a staunch Maori would be a lot less charitable than me. Maybe I should invite one over for a chat?

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2017

          Nah I won’t be paying iwi for water mate. They can go whistle on that one. You’re dreaming there, bud. Same with air, snow, that sorta nonsense. Even most local Maori would just boot them up the bum & laugh them off the set if they tried that rubbish on, down this way.

          • Corky

             /  July 19, 2017

            http://www.nzcpr.com/water-rights-agenda-exposed/

            In our area, boxes are being put on each section. These will hold water meters.
            The mayor flatly denies water will be metered. However, a correspondent wrote into the paper saying he had been reliably informed water would be metered once Maori and the government came to an agreement.

            Don’t count your Pukeko’s before they are hatched.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Aw .. that’s just typical Muriel Newman. 😡 There’s a name for people like her – in the US. 💩 Selectively quoting from documents talking about Maori ensuring they don’t get their rights to water in their rohe shafted by givernments hell-bent on privatising to make it look the other way round, like they’re trying to shaft everybody else! 🙄

              She’s blonde & blue-eyed, isn’t she? 🤔 Don’t listen to her Corks – she’s makin a sucker out of ya! Just give her the elbow 💪🏼 . Garn. Vote mate. Don’t be such a baby! 🤗

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2017

              Remember this? It was never meant to happen, but….
              ..
              http://www.nzcpr.com/test-post-571/

              Oh,apologises. It’s Muriel Newman. So no need to worry.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Yeah I think Aunty Helen had the right idea on that one! Boot it into touch!

              But – what’s actually happened up there Corky mate? Can’t you go to the beach any more? You can still fart about on 90 mile beach can’t yiz?

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2017

              Nothing has happened so far. Another case involving a beach near Wellington went to court last year. The burden of proof for continual use by Maori is set high, so I doubt resolution will come fast.

              I think a better measure will be once Tuhoe gets a hold of Te Urewera. That will give NZ a taste of what Maori have planned for them.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              😳 Nothing has happened so far. 👍
              Well, knock me down & tickle me arse with a feather!

              Garn, ya big wuss. Stop perving at ya postas of Paula & Muriel. Ratbags.

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2017

              I said nothing has happened so far. I never said the cases were over. They are in the system. Practice your pigeon Maori for when the nice man from your local Iwi stops by for a chat with you.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Garn. I’ll have a beer with ‘im. She’ll be right!
              We’ll have a laff about poofters that didn’t vote.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              PS: If you take my advice, you should make sure Paula doesn’t find out how you feel about Muriel, Corks. Could get ugly. And we know who’ll come out the winner in that one, eh?

          • Corky

             /  July 19, 2017

            Once again, no Muslim ban; no vote. I use the KISS principle- keep it simple silly.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Nah! Spoon! Muriel will think yaw dumb bro.

              Best thing to do is vote for the party that won’t take anywhere near as many as the other idiots want to. Then go to work on them, post-election, bro. Get with the program. Get out there and vote. You can do it bro. Ya just need to think it thru.

              Otherwise they might think thry should up the numbers. Vote lad, vote. 👍

  2. Tipene

     /  July 19, 2017

    Ummmmm…………I think NZ First also have a big, BIG problem if this goes down in Christchurch:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94708410/john-stringer-considers-bid-for-rangitata-seat

    Stringer is a deluded fool if he thinks he has a chance at the NZ First candidacy – he’s just come off the back of publically betraying his role on multiple occasions as a Board member for the Conservative Party!

    Hopefully Brent Catchpole is onto this.

    • Chuck Bird

       /  July 19, 2017

      Tipene, Do you think he should have been loyal to Colin Craig?

      • Tipene

         /  July 19, 2017

        Chuck I think if one signs a confidentiality agreement as a board member of a political party, they shouldn’t then leak like an incontinent drunk just because they are pissed off at their place on the party list, and then justify their incontinence by claiming a moral high ground that never existed for them in the first place.

        Stringer is political cancer, and NZ First don’t need to expose themselves to such a disease.

        • Chuck Bird

           /  July 20, 2017

          You are entitled to believe what you like. If some asks you to keep something in confidence and they tell you they have sexually abused children would you keep the confidence.

  3. Conspiratoor

     /  July 19, 2017

    Counting Trees

    In 2002 the government decided to set up a polling station at Maungapohatu, deep in the Urewera ranges, an area largely inaccessible to Europeans. After trekking for six days through thick bush and mist, the returning officer, J. T. Large, arrived to find that most of the people had left for Whakatane.

    Those that remained told him that he would ‘get no votes except those of the trees standing round’, but he eventually persuaded some men to cast votes. Despite getting lost and injuring his foot, Large declared his 14-day round trip had achieved its aim of ‘maintaining friendly relations’

    • Gezza

       /  July 19, 2017

      In 1890 the government decided to set up a polling station at Maungapohatu, deep in the Urewera ranges, an area largely inaccessible to Europeans. After trekking for six days through thick bush and mist, the returning officer, J. T. Large, arrived to find that most of the people had left for Whakatane.
      http://www.elections.org.nz/book/export/html/641

      • Conspiratoor

         /  July 19, 2017

        Pogue mahone

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2017

          😳 WTF❓

          I thought you were dead. Piss off.
          (No offence.) 👍

          • Gezza

             /  July 19, 2017

            Hogue Mahone is the seventh and last studio album by The Pogues, released in 1996. The title is a variant of the Irish phrase póg mo thóin, meaning “kiss my arse”, from which the band’s name is derived.

            No way dude! Talk to Corks.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  July 19, 2017

            Malheureusement I’m still above ground G. Just a little preoccupied atm, you know what July is don’t you? Its taking a toll on the body, but I’ll be back to torment you in a week or so. Cheers,c

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              Ah oui, honh honh honh – Le Tour – n’est-ce pas, m’sieu? Bon chance, mon ami. 👍

              🚓 🚴 🚵 🚴 🚴 🚵 🚴 🏇 🏇 🚴 🚵 🚑 🚲

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2017

              🚓 🚵 🚴 🚵 🚴 .. 🚴 . 🚵. 🏇. 🚴 🚴 ⛹🏿 🚴 … 🚑

              👍

  4. Making one’s mind up is never easy when you’re WRP.

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