Open Forum – Sunday

23 July 2017

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78 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  July 23, 2017

    Trump had a real Twitter rant last night so many tweets. Donald get over Coney YOU SACKED HIM and you beat Hillary but NOT with the popular vote so stop venting on about these two people”so sad”

    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 23, 2017

      Trying to solve US and the world’s problems 140 characters at a time,

    • Corly

       /  July 23, 2017

      A man must always go down fighting, Lurchy. Just like you after the election result is finalised. You and Trumpy have much in common, except for the money situation.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 23, 2017

        Corky, Corky, does it always come down to money in your world

        • Corky

           /  July 23, 2017

          Yes, money makes the world go round. For Lefties like you there is no going around because you have no money. Get with the programme, son. Get some guts….become a double R….RIGHT AND RICH!!!

        • Gezza

           /  July 23, 2017

          It’s true. Money doesn’t buy ya happiness, Lurchy – but it sure helps ya to be bloody miserable in comfort. 😎

          • Corky

             /  July 23, 2017

            You have just confirmed yourself as a socialist, Gezza.

            Money can make you deliriously happy. When you have money you have choices…and that’s where the power of money comes in. Sure, having money has it problems, just like being poor. And you definitely see miserable neurotic rich people. But they, from my experience, are worn scions of inherited wealth. They think all people have the same privileges as them. Most of them would die from exposure should they have to walk to the letter box.

            People who have worked hard for wealth have great lives on the whole. Their problem is learning to cut back and give other pursuits more time. I call it ‘developing the beneficiary rhythm.’ If they fail at that, yes problems arise.

            As you allude to- I would rather be miserable rich and comfortable,than miserable, poor and not comfortable.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              You have just confirmed yourself as a socialist, Gezza.

              No I haven’t. I have confirmed myself as a rememberer of pithy sayings I have heard & smiled at.

              Money can make you deliriously happy. When you have money you have choices…and that’s where the power of money comes in.

              Absolutely. Sometimes having the money for all the choices in the world can’t get you what you want the most. Learning to accept that, and to have desires, & make choices, that align with what you are able, capable & / or determined to do is a strategy more people should adopt early.

              Sure, having money has it problems, just like being poor. And you definitely see miserable neurotic rich people. But they, from my experience, are worn scions of inherited wealth. They think all people have the same privileges as them. Most of them would die from exposure should they have to walk to the letter box.

              You obviously don’t get out & about & around enuf. Or you only notice the unhappy wealthy people you decide to conclude are miserable for that reason because that is all that can fit your very limited perceptiveness.

              People who have worked hard for wealth have great lives on the whole. Their problem is learning to cut back and give other pursuits more time.

              Well, often true – sometimes not – but the other useful trick is to make your living doing something you really love, so you don’t really feel like you’re working hard & need to take time off to enjoy life. Trumpy’s like that.

              I call it ‘developing the beneficiary rhythm.’ If they fail at that, yes problems arise.

              You call it that because you are completely egocentric, because your perspectives are usually extraordinarily narrow & almost invariably rather blatantly bigoted, & you think that because your actually rather fragile ego requires you to constantly build yourself up by putting other people down.

              As you allude to – I would rather be miserable rich and comfortable,than miserable, poor and not comfortable.
               
              Yes, well. You’re achieving your goal, aren’t you?

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              ”You obviously don’t get out & about & around enuf. Or you only notice the unhappy wealthy people you decide to conclude are miserable for that reason because that is all that can fit your very limited perceptiveness.”

              I can only go on what I experience. I am not a wealth expert.

              ”You call it that because you are completely egocentric, because your perspectives are usually extraordinarily narrow & almost invariably rather blatantly bigoted, & you think that because your actually rather fragile ego requires you to constantly build yourself up by putting other people down.”

              Lol, not true. But a good try, See, I don’t have an ego like you. I also understand some issues way better then others. Others I only have an average understanding of,hence I rarely comment on them

              Where you give yourself away is with that old socialist trait of reverting to personal invective. However, you have the skills to present it as reasonable comment. I admire that.

              However, time will tell who’s right.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              You’re actually not a good reader of people at all Corky – and certainly not of me. I’m not a socialist. And there is no invective in the above. It’s just my diagnosis.

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              Your skills shine through once again. Lets leave it for events to be the final arbiter… You aren’t the only one who has a problem with my views on Maori and Muslims. I haven’t been proven wrong yet.The problem people make is they think I’m racist.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              I don’t have a problem with your view on Muslims. Don’t you pay any serious fukn attention to anything anyone writes except yourself?

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              There you go again…always have to have the last say. That’s a fragile ego.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              Lol. Of course I’ve got a fragile ego, mate. Most people have. What I’ve had to learn to do is not let assholes damage it. It doesn’t control me, like yours does.

  2. Missy

     /  July 23, 2017

  3. Corky

     /  July 23, 2017

    I believe this law has been past and Australia will now use military force in domestic terrorist situations.

    Of course such a power could easily be misused to stifle home grown protests deemed undesirable or potentially dangerous, by the government.

    ”What the public needs to understand though is that once the military is ‘called out’ things have gotten really bad — special forces will be aiming to use lethal force immediately, whereas in the first instance police are not generally looking to use their weapons.”

    GEE, THANKS MUSLIMS.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-05/defence-figures-say-australia-military-call-out-laws-adequate/8588424

    • Missy

       /  July 23, 2017

      Most countries in the West have provisions in law where the military can be called out when required – NZ does, that is why they are helping out CD right now, why the military can be utilised during prison guard strikes, why the military were called in during the Napier siege etc.

      However, it is important to note that in the UK and NZ (and I would assume Australia) when the military are called out to help domestically they are under the command and control of the civilian agency, they don’t just go rogue. So whichever agency calls on the military for help, whether it be the CD or Police, that agency are the one’s that have overall control of what the tasking will be, and they have command over the military operations, always in cooperation with the military.

      This is not new, and not only down to Muslims as you seem to think, it is just becoming more public since the terrorist threats have increased, and it is becoming publicised now.

  4. Corly

     /  July 23, 2017

    I often watch police shootings in America. I watch police arrests in New Zealand. And I listen to wet drip liberals tell me continuously about police brutality.

    My question is: how many of these incidents would happen if people followed these basic rules?

    • PDB

       /  July 23, 2017

      Hey ‘Corly’ – you new around here?

      • Corly

         /  July 23, 2017

        No, I made a typing error. You have time on your hands?

        • PDB

           /  July 23, 2017

          Sunday is my day off, otherwise I need to work fulltime in order to allow the Turei’s of this world to rip off the taxpayer……..

    • Conspiratoor

       /  July 23, 2017

      Hey there brother corks, if you haven’t seen this video yet it will give you a chuckle. ‘ass will be hurting for a month. Slow down or you …will get violated’

      I’ve seen both sides of law enforcement in the USA. Was front seat passenger in a car that was pulled over for failing to stop in Bullhead City. By the time we stopped this smoky was apoplectic with rage. Guns drawn the full monty. I went to open my door to get out and smoke a peace pipe with him as any kiwi would do, and that’s when the fun started. I reckon my accent saved me. On another occasion I was followed for miles in Arizona, until I got tired of trolling along at 75mph and pulled over. Turned out he was just bored and wanted to have a yarn to a tourist, at least that is what he told me

      • Corly

         /  July 23, 2017

        This ain’t the autoban. He got that right. Yanky roads are crap. Lol..this prick is what turns people off the cops. To be fair he would be a good ole god fearing Trump voting Conservative.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 23, 2017

          Not the autobahn perhaps but do you think the message got through?

          • Gezza

             /  July 23, 2017

            It’s the only way to get thru to a German.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 23, 2017

              I wonder if Chris Rock made that video before that Australian woman was shot dead because she made a 911 call and then came out to the cop car.

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              Sadly, American Cops are poorly trained. Hence the need to follow Chris Rocks suggestions very carefully.

          • Corky

             /  July 23, 2017

            Hell, yeah.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 23, 2017

              I always like to be packing when I’m travelling the states brother. You can be 5 hours from the nearest law so you might need something to even the playing field. This little honey will blow a hole in a man the size of a dinner plate…

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              I hope that’s not you disrespecting that beast riding in bloody jandals bro!
              If it is, two things:
              1. You could easily slip, & put a bloody slug thru ya foot
              2. I other hogstas see you riding that machine in jandals, you’ll need to be bloody packing!

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              🙄😡 I = If ! (so shoot me !)

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 23, 2017

              G, i ride in genuine american Tin Hauls. Look em up. This was taken after the days ride by a charming Romanian called Josef, upon whose company I fell and who was fascinated with Gladys. Insisted I pose with her. Im not the best shot I’ll admit but never put one through my foot, at least in a literal sense

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              No excuses. You don’t pose on, or even get photographed near, a hog, in jandals.

              It’s an outrageous breach of etiquette. In some places it could see you tarred, feathered, & run out of town on a rail.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 23, 2017

              I hear you G. But i’m a non conformist. I get a similar reaction from punters when i walk into the local in a dress. Two thirds think it’s a bit of fun and the other third want to fight me

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              It’s culturally bloody insensitive, is what it is, c !

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              And if you’d just stick to the bloody speed limit, there’d be no need for all this shit!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 23, 2017

              Not worried about what’s behind me, G. I just need a forward facing bazooka to clear the road ahead.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              I looked them up❗️ 😳❓

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 24, 2017

              Pinks not my colour G. These are not mine but I have lusted after them for some time

        • duperez

           /  July 23, 2017

          There are a lot of arrogant arseholes in the world. Some of them are Americans. Some of them are cops. Some of them are American cops.

  5. Zedd

     /  July 23, 2017

    Congrats to DCC for getting the infrastructure working.. here in Sth Dn we were expecting another ‘wet wednesday’ (on saturday) but I hear there was almost no surface flooding, after over 30 hours of rain & probably lots of prayers !

    BUT I send ‘best wishes’ to the areas that did get a deluge.. hopefully the ‘one in fifty year event’ does NOT become a ‘one on two/three year event’ or worse ??

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 23, 2017

      I imagine that the one in fifty is not meant toiindicate that every 50 years it will happen so much as that the average for such events has been that.

  6. duperez

     /  July 23, 2017

    “Government announces $600m housing boost for Auckland.” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11894084

    Is this an election bribe? Is there some sort of housing ‘problem’ in Auckland? We know there is no housing ‘crisis’ there.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 23, 2017

      The problem as usual is bureaucratic lunacy. The Council is a monopoly responsible for infrastructure but has no authority to invest in it since it is already at its debt ceiling. Logical solution: privatise it. Socialist solution: throw taxpayers’ money at it. National’s solution: throw Govt borrowings at it.

      • Gezza

         /  July 23, 2017

        You should watch the 1ewes item in the first segment on the plus one or on demsnd channel. The government is setting up a private company to manage, & initially own, the infrastructure build.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 23, 2017

          Yes, I saw it, G. I take my original comment back which was made on the basis of a very incomplete report. The Govt is doing the right thing by privatising it, but the wrong thing by doing it so restrictively.

          • Gezza

             /  July 23, 2017

            Baby steps, maybe Al? It’s a trial maybe. I’m not sure that I like, or what the implications will be cost-wise for the users. Don’t you think it’s perhaps an acceptable compromise?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 23, 2017

              Yes, I do really, G. Just being a bit provocative. Like you with poor old Corky.

    • PDB

       /  July 23, 2017

      I think they call it a ‘solid plan’ rather than Labour’s ‘promise, hope and see’ approach to house building……

    • Gezza

       /  July 23, 2017

      Well, nails what, exactly? If you mean he nails what being a mysogynistic white supremacist is all about, he seems to be coming close.

      If you mean that having a workplace team staffed with mainly white men who are, say, kiwis, an australian, 2 south africans from different places, a serbian, a dutchman, a german, an italian, a frenchman (who doesn’t really like the german), an Oregano from the US, & a greek who doesn’t give a bugger about whatever, its just always too bloody cold here – wouldn’t be seen in NZ as diverse – I think he’s wrong. I’ve worked with that combination. Boy was it diverse!

    • Lost me at “whaler nailed it”

      Sorry corky.

  7. Corky

     /  July 23, 2017

    Liberal political hypocrisy….I only looked at the pictures. What more is needed?

    • Gezza

       /  July 23, 2017

      For you? Nothing. It’s a character flaw.

      • Corky

         /  July 23, 2017

        Its called summing up a situation quickly. Unlike Parti , I just see what’s there. Not what I wish was there.

        Incidently, here’s the heading of said article again:

        ”The word “diversity” is a code word for non-whites.”

        Nothing new here. Labour, like the Democrats, takes minorities for granted. They want them out to vote, greet them with a quick Kia Ora, then send them back to the ghettos, or rural Ruatahuna.

        That’s where the hypocrisy comes in.

        • Gezza

           /  July 23, 2017

          “Its called summing up a situation quickly. Unlike Parti , I just see what’s there. Not what I wish was there.”

          Incorrect, & fooling nobody but yourself. You sum up a situation quickly because you only see what you want to see, and you completely miss whatever else is there. It’s a failing.

          You incorrectly think it’s a strength, but that’s just bringing us back again to your inflated ego driving everything about you & blinding you to whatever you don’t want to see that might mean something different to what you want to believe.

          • Corky

             /  July 23, 2017

            Ok, tell what I’m missing in context to what I wrote? That being ‘Liberal political hypocrisy” regarding the issue of ‘diversity.’

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              *me*

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              Later. I’m watching the docudrama on tv1 about the killing of Chris Crean by Black Power in my hometown.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              And I’m diagnosing your personality, rather specific situations at the moment, since you said you only looked at the pictures & not the article. But we can look at that in more detail later if you still want to. I’m wasting more time on you tonite than I really want to, to be honest.

            • Corky

               /  July 23, 2017

              Well, excuse me sir. Such disrespect deserves a little punishment. But thank you for your honestly.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              I’m not disrespecting you, Corky. I’m analysing you, like you try to analyse me. But I’m better at it. Because I’ve had more practice, & I see things & people from more just than my own perspective.

          • Corky

             /  July 23, 2017

            The legacy. This brave man deserved more. His killers still live. Mores the pity. If this was the States, now would be about the time they”d be strapped on a gurny and executed.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/9699769/Sad-legacy-of-gangs-execution

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              Yes. Chris Crean was a proud, honourable, brave Maori man. You know that eh? So were many others who came forward and gave information leading to more criminal gang thug convictions. This country is full of proud, honourable Maori men. You din’t seem able to ever see them.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              * don’t

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2017

              Well, excuse me sir. Such disrespect deserves a little punishment.

              You really shouldn’t try to punish me, Corks. Not here. I’ll take you apart.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 24, 2017

              Pissing contest

            • Gezza

               /  July 24, 2017

              Corks *wins* then. I’m pissing meself. 😀

  8. “You really shouldn’t try to punish me, Corks. Not here. I’ll take you apart.”

    I can vouch for that corks

    • Corky

       /  July 23, 2017

      Really? You can vouch for that. Or are you offering an excuse for your weakness. Gezza needs to come down a peg or two.

      • Gezza

         /  July 23, 2017

        Lol. How are you gonna manage that bro? You’ve never landed a punch on me. But I know how to land them on you. Nobody ever got away with trying to bully me or put me down.