Open Forum – Monday

60 Comments

  1. Conspiratoor

     /  July 24, 2017

    Here’s one for the stoners. A catchy number from Oregon’s no1 jazz band, pink martini

    Loosely translated…

    I do not want to work
    I do not want to have breakfast
    I only want to forget
    And then I smoke

  2. So – the Media have stopped reporting the Labour Interns fiasco… Why?

    Has anyone confirmed where the money for the scheme came from and whether it requires declaring?

    Did I miss a story in the Media about this?

    Or have Andrea Vance’s words proved “prophetic” and the story is dead?

    I note the Barclay story was still be raked over last week to keep the embers smouldering…

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 24, 2017

      Fresh week for Todd Barclay another $6000 for doing nothing and we all are paying for it

      • Gezza

         /  July 24, 2017

        It’s all terribly embarrassing, but it’s not really all that interesting for most peeps Lurch. In fact, it’s quite amusing really. Angry harpy beats silly little twerp into the ground. Everybody tries to keep it quiet but she hadn’t finished with him yet. Probably has now.

        Andy’s interns are more interesting, but getting less msm attention. Even PG was on to that one like a robber’s dog. C’est la vie. Early days.

    • Blazer

       /  July 24, 2017

      Non story…that’s. .why.

      • PDB

         /  July 24, 2017

        I agree Blazer regarding Barclay – the intern story though was a real story buried by a compliant MSM desperate for Labour not to totally fall over before the election.

      • Gezza

         /  July 24, 2017

        Nah bro. If it was a non-story, PG wouldn’t have been all over it like a rash.
        Not sure whether it was cunningly evil intent on Andy’s part, but it sure was a monumental fuk up & made him look a right bloody dork. Kiwi’s don’t want a right bloody dork as their PM. The polls keep saying so.

      • Blaze of light from the Left has blinded you Bol….. pity.

    • Could it be they conclude that DB was the perp?

      • Gezza

         /  July 24, 2017

        Quite possible. They certainly wouldn’t be alone there.

        • It’s all Martin Van Beynen and they’re all brilliant. Please listen to them.

          • Gezza

             /  July 25, 2017

            Well, ok I will. But I’ve followed that case closely for years & I’ve reached my verdict, & I’m never certain how wise it is to discuss that publicly, if you get my drift.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  July 24, 2017

    Bill English,flip flopping on policy is the sign of a worried PM and party…

    • Gezza

       /  July 24, 2017

      Morena. Which flip flop are we talking about Lurchy?

    • PDB

       /  July 24, 2017

      Listening to the people at the coalface of any policy decisions is a sign of good representative govt Lurch – inflicting your belief system onto others without consultation like Labour/Greens is not.

    • Really lurch? Does the flexibility you socialists approve of only extends to election bribes and not to running the show, but I happen to think that listening and responding to coalface opinion is a far more people centred way to operate.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 24, 2017

        Got to keep those CHEAP farm workers flooding in to be flicked off when they want better wages… ps im not a socialist but i dont like rip off artists

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 24, 2017

      I’m very glad the anti-immigration kneejerk nonsense is being reconsidered. I am going to give the Greens a very rare but deserved uptick for being upfront on that.

  4. Let not a day go by without remembering the hypocrisy and fraud of this Party leader.

    • Gezza

       /  July 24, 2017

      Ya hit hard for a sheila trav.

      • I roll over for a good argument from either sex though Gezza.

        • Gezza

           /  July 24, 2017

          😳
          🤔
          😮

          • Read this over at Kiwiblog.

            An interesting aspect of the paternal non payment to IRD.

            “Child Support is administered by IRD, not WINZ. However (Metiria’s)public statements have probably meant that Paul Hartley will be chased by IRD for unpaid Child Support from Piupiu’s birth date until her 19th birthday. I doubt he feels particularly kindly disposed to Ms Turei now.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 24, 2017

              He may be doing a disappearing act. Hasn’t been doing many interviews.

            • Gezza

               /  July 24, 2017

              What’s a bit of collateral damage when the cause is so enobling?

            • Anonymous Coward

               /  July 25, 2017

              Child support is not compulsory, if both Parents agree not to sign up to it they can form their own agreement. So a person on a benefit gets penalised for not naming the father but that is a WINZ penalty, I don’t believe there is an IRD offence committed.
              Also Child support doesn’t have any ‘back penalties’, if you don’t apply until the child is 10, for example, there is nothing owed to or by anyone from before the date of application.

          • Gezza

             /  July 25, 2017

            Let me see what I can come up with trav.

            • I don’t know whether he had a legal obligation to declare his paternity.

              That’ll be another angle. I’m very surprised that his mother and father weren’t aware of Turei’s deception and their sons non declaration. Why didn’t insist on him meeting tax obligations? Looks to me like systematic intent to defraud the system.

              http://www.ird.govt.nz/forms-guides/keyword/childsupport/liable-parents/ir106-child-support-acknowledgment-paternity.html

            • Gezza

               /  July 25, 2017

              I really don’t think Metz thought thru the implications or did a brainstorming risk-assessment of all the possible potential adverse consequences of big-noting for votes on this one, trav. She’s been gabby in the public eye for so long she forgot all the information google can put together for a dedicated & interested party.

            • Missy

               /  July 25, 2017

              If she was receiving the solo parent benefit (as she was) she would have been asked to complete an application for Child Support if she didn’t her benefit may have been reduced. Normally WINZ would pay the Child Support in the benefit and the father would reimburse, I am not sure what would happen if there was a private arrangement.

              It was obvious there was a relationship between the father and the child, so if he was not paying any child support there could be consequences, she obviously knew the name of the father and he obviously had a hand in raising the child.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 24, 2017

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      • Gezza

         /  July 24, 2017

        “We can have an open and honest government.”

        Really? On the evidence available recently, how long would we have to wait for it to be open & honest, & how honest would it be?

      • sorethumb

         /  July 25, 2017

        Promising as in makes lots of promises.

  5. Gezza

     /  July 24, 2017

    Two Air Force NH90’s just flew over, heading North. Don’t usually see them. Wonder what’s up in Welly today?

    • Missy

       /  July 25, 2017

      They could be returning back to Ohakea (their home base) from helping out down South G.

      • The may have been ferrying Boris Johnson and his entourage around.

        • Missy

           /  July 25, 2017

          Oh right, he went to Kaikoura didn’t he? They could have used them for him there, though I would be surprised, VIP’s are usually ferried around in the King Air or 747, and I would have thought they would have flown him into Woodbourne and then driven him down to Kaikoura – depending on schedule.

          They could also have had a photographer on board to take surveillance photos of the flooding in the Sth Island.

          There are any number of reasons they would have been down south, there may have been an exercise on, or they were on a training flight as well.

          • Gezza

             /  July 25, 2017

            Well, whatever the mission, the sound of two was impressive, they flew right overhead, keeping precise spacing, & position, looked awesome thru the binoculars, & I luvd it !

    • Gezza

       /  July 24, 2017

      Corks is possibly busy, working on getting his own back, or something …

    • Not what I see. I’d say he thinks that we’re all equal, just that some are wealthier than others

  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  July 24, 2017

    Alan-could the reason for the mother of that poor baby who was shot being ‘tackled’ be that a firearm was involved ? If the police had let someone run into a firearms incident, they would be accused of being totally irresponsible (and they would be, too)

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 24, 2017

      Don’t think so. The father had dropped the gun and was holding the child. The police were with him.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 25, 2017

        There could have been other firearms-this was a sawn-off shotgun, not a legal weapon-one doesn’t take chances in arms incidents.

  7. sorethumb

     /  July 24, 2017

    The Soliloquy of Whiteness: Colonial Discourse and New Zealand’s Settler Press 1839-1873
    ……
    In 1991 I enrolled in Rob Steven’s New Zealand Politics, and found there the first glimmers of what I had been looking for – neo-Marxist critique. Rob was an outstanding teacher – his lectures were insubordinate and his tutorials were defiant. We would crowd into his office, sit on the floor and ‘share’ our stories of political oppression while Rob would weep (I think he was going through a marriage break up at the time). This nebulous and indefinable sense of my own construction within a white political narrative was finally given some definition and shape, and Rob was a sympathetic teacher who enthusiastically welcomed my burgeoning, uneasy, halting, and awkward politicization. I was on my way.
    ………
    To a PhD in Media Studies

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 24, 2017

        I knew Rob Steven from my time at Canterbury. Hell’s teeth – 19 years from enrolment at Uni to PhD. I did it in six.

        • Gezza

           /  July 24, 2017

          Christ, you’re a bloody show-off, Wilkinson ! How can you ever find a bloody hat that’s big enuf ?

          I mean this, of course, in the warmest and most caring possible way. 🍀👬

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 24, 2017

            I don’t fart around, G. Get in, get it done, get out.

            • Gezza

               /  July 24, 2017

              True. Sometimes I toy with prey.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 24, 2017

              And sometimes you like to pretend you do. What have you done with Corky? Is he behind the fridge now?

            • Gezza

               /  July 25, 2017

              I haven’t done anything with him. Not yet. My working assumption is he’s looking for someone with the skills to track me down. I’ve put the alarm on.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 25, 2017

              Sounds bad. Maybe you should send him a peace pipe.

        • sorethumb

           /  July 25, 2017

          Is there any one concerned about what they are teaching in humanities?
          Or are they happy to divide and rule?

          • Gezza

             /  July 25, 2017

            Corky’s utterly pissed off about it, especially in the US where it’s got so out of hand some of the vid clips he’s posted of speakers and lecturers with unpopular, non-PC, but perfectly valid alternative viewpoints to the socially now-demanded ‘norm’ get hounded & shouted down by outraged gangs of people I’d describe as lunatic liberal fascists. So yes, I want to make sure that doesn’t end up happening here.

        • Beg yours Mr W, for a minute I thought Kitty was in the building. A PhD – she’ll be right devastated you’re so well-edjikated. Perhaps those in here seeking clarification on matters of the intellect could defer to yours truly in future.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 25, 2017

            It was a long time ago, trav, and now I’m senile and have forgotten everything like Sir Gerald.

            • Gezza

               /  July 26, 2017

              Trying to work out whether I’m shattered or shatted upon, Sir Alan.

              Rude letter to follow. From my solicitor.

              Overpriced bastard, but he usually pays for himself in such matters.

              Suingly yours, as always.
              Sir Gerald.