Another random killing

This looks like another case of a person being in the wrong place at the wrong time and losing their life.

RNZ: Man fatally stabbed after disturbing youths breaking into vehicle

A 54-year-old Hamilton man has died after he was stabbed while confronting a group of youths breaking into a vehicle.

Two teenagers have appeared in the Hamilton Youth Court following the death.

Police have launched a homicide investigation after local man Norman Kingi was found critically injured on Ranui Street at about 11:30pm last night.

He died shortly after midnight in Waikato Hospital.

Detective Inspector Graham Pitkethley said it looked as if Mr Kingi disturbed a group of young people breaking into a vehicle and during a fight suffered a fatal wound.

He said a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old today appeared in the Youth Court, charged with aggravated wounding and unlawful interference with a motor vehicle.

A 12-year-old will be referred to Youth Aid.

Awful.

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22 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  July 29, 2017

    Colonisation has a lot to answer 4?

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    • Gezza

       /  July 29, 2017

      That may well be suggested but, personally, I don’t think that one can run any more. This is the sort of thing that needs to be addressed in the now, with the situation we have, imo.. Historical grievances over land & cultural loss & remedies are something that I believe are being addressed by people of goodwill in both pakeha & maori societies. They will never be perfect. But I can see no good reason why we cannot share this land in peace & harmony & with mutual repect for the good things in both cultures as they are represented in this century. That does not include gsng culture, which is a perversion of both.

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  2. Corky

     /  July 29, 2017

    Nothing random about this, Pete. Young scumbags are confronted by their victim as they tried to break into a car.

    1- Purpose for crime.( car)
    2-Victim was killed for a purpose.( escape)
    3- No need to guess about possible motives( logical – they want a joyride)
    4- Native New Zealanders(?)..our problem. Not an imported problem- part of expected crime stat.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 29, 2017

      Highly likely. Nats, Act & Maori Party in coalition, via approaches like whanau ora & outcome based targeted-welfare, education & healh systems, most likely to achieve some kind of lasting turnaround – imo. More jobs in regions, closer to marae would help. Need also to help turn it around themselves.

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      • Corky

         /  July 29, 2017

        Sorry, I should have be clearer. Native NZ equals Kiwis,

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        • Gezza

           /  July 29, 2017

          Apologies, Corky. Statistical odds are higher that they will be brown. My assumption was, given your usual style of posting, that would be what you meant.

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  3. 15,13 and 12…. just like the “kids” who killed the Diary owner in West Auckland 18 months or so back.

    These “kids” are the product of piss poor families feed by welfare,…. that’s a prediction by the way. I have 85% confidence that prediction will be correct – 15% chance they are kids from a good family

    and there will be stories about “nice lads”, “can’t think why”…..”tough home life” yada yada yada – and the families will support them at court ….

    What an effen mess.

    It is slowly but surely heading to a very bad situation. The Police can’t stop these “kids”, their “parent/s” don’t care and the “uncles” probably just beat them or recruit them for gang “life”

    Vigilant justice is coming to a working class suburb near you…. people won’t be victims forever.

    I have confronted “kids” trying to steal my car 2-3am one Sunday morning – my neighbour backed me up thankfully so it wasn’t just me and my baseball bat against a little shifting crew of teens…. and ya know what I called the cops and reported the attempted theft of my car …. and the cops weren’t going to show up till I said I was going out to protect my property and I would defend myself…. they didn’t care about the property crime at all…might see you in the morning was the message

    Is it any wonder these “kids” keep turning up in the papers? They know the likelihood of getting nabbed by the cops is trending to zero, so they just keep going till an Indian diary owner gets killed, or a Mr Kingi of Ranui Street gets killed…….

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    • Gezza

       /  July 29, 2017

      Similar experience when we moved in here. My disabled wife & occasionally me too terrorised by a gang of low-rent kids for the best part of a year, after I chased one off for going round bsnging on windows for a lark at night. Up to a dozen of them. 14/15 ? Led by the son of a mongrel mob member who hanged himself. Police showed up when I askec how far I could go to defend ouselves. Still have the screw studded solid stick behind the dining room curtains, though the fuzz finally cleaned them out into the Youth Justice system, and the last time the little hoodied scroat turned up at the top of the driveway, intending to come down, his two mates clearly said, “nah, bro. Not worth the grief from the police”, & he slunk away, dejected. That was eight years ago.

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      • Brown

         /  July 30, 2017

        “… who hanged himself. ”

        Problem solved. There are thousands of these shitbags out there and its my view that if they are doing dangerously violent stuff at 10 they are lost and should be locked up. I had three kids (white trash) messing about in the bush along the front of my section. They gave me lip when I asked them to move on please and I then physically ejected them. They claimed it was child abuse and would call the police etc … but I just laughed and told them that next time i would revert to dealing with them as people in Texas do – shoot first. They were full of shit but never came back and appear to have moved on. As it turns out they were stealing mail and opening it in my bush. I was able to deliver some damaged stuff to my neighbours.

        I’m not much into violence but at some point its the only option – these kids have to be afraid of ordinary people and pain will do that. Citizens will eventually fight back against freals and we simply have to deal to them via welfare. No behave = no money.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2017

          I couldn’t believe how many turned up Brown. We were sport of the year I think. Most of the neighbours were geriatrics & just put up with it. The three top dogs disappeared for about 6 months in a fuzz-related initiative I think, then came back riding bikes in the village stealing from & threatening the local greengrocer for about two days. Cops pounced on them straight away, this time.After that, my only sighting of them again was that one time at the top of my driveway.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 30, 2017

            The only really nasty neighbours we had were Pakeha in both cases. One lot terrorised a normally quiet street-loud parties, using the street as a drag strip for burnouts etc until the street was so full of smoke that it was impossible to see across it.

            They took exception to the Noise Control taking their stereo, blaming us (it wasn’t us on that occasion) and threw bottles onto the drive. I threw the broken glass back over.

            The other lot bought the house next to where I am now-another quiet street. Father/stepfather was a really decent bloke, mother was a nutter (really one) and the young ones were all right when he was there-when he wasn’t, all hell broke loose.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 30, 2017

              Diary owner ? Dairy owner, surely.

              I can see the point of the police with the car theft, as the thieves would be long gone before the police could get there and there wouldn’t be much that could be done as the thieves and car could be anywhere by that time.

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2017

              I can’t see anywhere in your comment that you’re replying to there where you said diary owner.

              Are you replying to dave’s comment miles up the page?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 30, 2017

              Of course, what else ?

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2017

              @ Kitty
              Well, that, having selected the reply button to it, you must be replying to the comment directly above, requiring that a reader examine that comment, looking for the relevant reference or word (diary) & then waste time – if they want to know – scrolling up, looking for which comment you are replying to, & then, if they want to, teasing you about it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 30, 2017

              Diary owner is quite memorable, surely.

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2017

              Not necessarily:

              1. that was typed yonks ago
              2. everyone knows dave meant dairy from the context
              3. others have commented since so it’s been some time since i read the original post
              4. when your moniker pops up in the RECENT COMMENTS list if I’m around I click on each comment as you make it becos your comments invariably amuse or interest me, especially when you have a go at some nemesis or other. I don’t necessarily bother to re-read from the top of whatever thread you’re bored in on.

  4. NOEL

     /  July 30, 2017

    Charged with intent to injure.The victim died as a result and there are probably examples where an adult in the same situation would have the charge upgraded to manslaughter..

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 30, 2017

      These lads may well have that happen, it wouldn’t surprise me. They obviously did ‘intend to injure’ and can be charged with and held for that.

      I remember the endless attempts to make people see that manslaughter was the only possible charge for little Moko’s killers, as they intended to torture and injure the child rather than kill him. A murder charge would almost certainly have resulted in them walking free.
      .

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      • Brown

         /  July 30, 2017

        This is one appealing aspect of Christianity – the idea that all wrongs are seen and will be judged, justice will be done and so on.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2017

          Yes. It won’t actually happen, of course. There is zero credible evidence for the theory, but it is certainly comforting for those who want certainty that they are the ones who know what is wrong, & what is right, & who should be punished by unending torture forever & ever, Amen.

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