A difficult day for Labour

It will be a difficult day for Labour today with rumours of an imminent  leadership change all over the place.

On Sunday a very grim looking Andrew Little responding to a grim Colmar Brunton poll result that had Labour on a this century low (for CB) of 24%, saying he had offered to stand down, precipitated a flurry of speculation and anguish.

The hopes of those who tried to play it down with ‘just one poll’ were dashed when it emerged that prior to the CB result Labour had received an internal poll result of 23% from UMR.

So that was a double poll whammy tripled by Little’s response. On RNZ yesterday morning he said he was remaining as leader seemingly because no one else was willing to take over, and this set off a storm through Monday.

And this was topped off by a Newshub/Reid Research poll that had Labour on 24.1%.

This morning Little’s office has advised media he won’t be fronting up for any interviews, with a Labour caucus meeting scheduled.

Whatever happens, whether Little stays or goes, this is a monumental mess for Labour.

It will take several weeks for polls to show us what effect this will have all had on support for Labour but the outlook has to be grim.

We may find out what flavour of grim today.

UPDATE: Little has stepped down.

58 Comments

  1. Kelvin davis running the numbers this morning for Ardern, looks like by the end of the day Ardern will be leader Davis her deputy.

  2. artcroft

     /  August 1, 2017

    There’s already talk of Ardern and Davis taking over. But who will lead the billing. The pretty little thing would soon be found out. She can emote well and wring her hands on camera but would anyone really think she could change things. In a Lab/Green govt she would be Meteria’s P/A. Davis would be an interesting leadership prospect but could he be promoted above Jacinta, or would that be more rape culture? Pogo Williams might be called upon to campaign against her party once more. LOL.

    • Gezza

       /  August 1, 2017

      Fuk if they put Jacinda in charge they’re doomed! She won’t be able to make a bloody single decision until everybody’s got a boiled sweet & they’ve all sung Kumbaya! If everybody doesn’t agree or they want a happy meal & not a boiled sweet she won’t know wtf to do! She’ll bloody cry!

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        Possum would sort out the men from the boyz & the women from the girlz, I tell ya!

        • Gezza

           /  August 1, 2017

          Things need to be done ! She’d say. Stop pissing about & just bloody do it !

    • PDB

       /  August 1, 2017

      Jacinda is already on the nationwide billboards and campaigning as if she is an important component of the Labour leadership and still their vote % plummets – suggesting her being officially appointed leader would turn around the Labour vote is dreaming.

      Bill English probably speaks better Maori than Kelvin Davis does.

  3. artcroft

     /  August 1, 2017

    I’ve got a set of crayons so if those Labour billboard need defacing…sorry… updating, I don’t mind doing it, if i can claim expenses. Crayons aren’t free you know.

  4. “Nobody expects a change of leadership at today’s caucus” – Grant Robertson.

    He mustn’t have looked online over the last couple of days.

    • There’s only one place Grant looks

    • Missy

       /  August 1, 2017

      That’s because they all know that whoever takes over probably won’t last beyond the election unless the polling improves dramatically.

      If Little is rolled it will be for someone who will be considered as a temporary leader until they can go through the whole leadership election after the election.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        It’s bloody August! Election Day is 23 September!
        These people are complete bloody nonces!
        Unbelievable!
        They couldn’t run a fukn car!
        Who’d let them try & run a GOVERNMENT ! 🙄 😖

  5. Marama Fox has spotted an opportunity:

    • Gezza

       /  August 1, 2017

      👸🏽 She’s no dummy! ❤️ That’s my girl! 💪🏼 👍🏼 🌻🌻🌻

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        The fact that the Maori party would even contemplate going with the left in their current state would be enough to ensure I’d never vote for them. The Maori party at the end of the day are political mercenaries (though pleasant enough people) who solely value personal interests with no interest at all in what is best for the whole country.

        • Gezza

           /  August 1, 2017

          Well, honestly PDB, Maori are still so far behind in all the bad stats they HAVE to.
          I can see that. Once we start seeing Maori tradies, nurses, doctors, businesspeople, skilled young workers turning up for work, & wanting to, then they can reassess how they proceed from there. I respect your views but that’s how I see it currently.

          • PDB

             /  August 1, 2017

            By simply concentrating on lifting lower-economic portions of our society you will in turn help more Maori who currently are over-represented in that grouping.

            To me it makes absolutely no sense to concentrate solely on lifting a particular Maori family out of poverty whilst ignoring a European, Asian, pacific island, refugee family that is in exactly the same situation – essentially this is what the Maori party is focused on doing.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2017

              Yes, they ARE. And I really, truly think that’s the right thing to do. And I really, truly think targeted, outcome-focussed spending & whanau ora are the best way to go about it that I’ve seen so far. I don’t even know if that’s how many Maori see it – but I do. And I’m firm enough in my view on that to get told I’m wrong, & to disagree, & vote for the Maori Party.
              I’m still voting for Greg Oconnor, even though his party’s disintegrating before our eyes. Because I want him in Parliament, & even if he doesn’t get there, unless people like me vote for him, it’ll never happen.

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              Vote for Oconner – makes Little’s chances of getting in on the list even harder if he wins.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        PLUS – ALSO …

        🎸 🎤 🎼 ➡️ ➡️ ➡️ 💔

        These things are important! 😀

    • Corky

       /  August 1, 2017

      No, Marama, not likely. Labour had their fill of Maori when Aunty was boss. Like me they know barge pole diplomacy is the best option when dealing with Tangata Whenua.

      That said, if Labour can govern with the Maori Party as last car off the rank..yeah, they will swallow a dead Taniwha.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        Nah, she’ll be right. I’ll talk to her. I’ll tell ‘er to leave you alone Corks.

        • Gezza

           /  August 1, 2017

          (I’ll tell her Hone’s got to go though. Wilderness for him. Makes too much trouble)

          • PDB

             /  August 1, 2017

            Hone has pretty much kept his head down and is already drumming up support to the point where Davis is worried and has been working behind the scenes to oust Little in an effort to stop the Labour slide.

  6. Mike Williams yesterday: Little’s admission may boost popularity – Williams

    Just now on RNZ Williams has said he got from a conversation from Little yesterday that it’s likely he will ‘retire’ as leader today and Ardern is likely to take over.

    He clarifies that his advice would have been for Little to hang on and get tough, but it’s probably too late for that now.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        Sht! I really don’t know if I can bear to look 😞

        • PDB

           /  August 1, 2017

          Must admit I’ve some sympathy for Little who was parachuted into the leader’s job by the unions with very little support of Labour MP’s who in turn did bugger all to help him out.

          • Gezza

             /  August 1, 2017

            There’s LESS THAN 2 Bloody MONTHS TO GO, PDB!
            WTF?
            Are these people complete lunatics?? 😕

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              Gezza: “Are these people complete lunatics??”

              Yes, they are.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2017

              I haven’t see Blazer.
              Have you?

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              Blazer always goes missing when the left is in disarray – which is often.

  7. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    Stuff: “We’ve heard a big update from Radio NZ reporter Mei Heron, who’s stationed at Wellington Airport. She caught up with Andrew Little there, and he’s just told her he’s not stepping down at caucus.”

    “The position as I understand it is that the caucus – as of last night – had decided not to move on Little if he would not step aside – and indications this morning were that he might be digging his heels in.  
    It is also worth considering how the party and unions would take it if the caucus used this window (when they don’t have a vote) to replace him. 
    But if Little stays on and stares down those wanting a change the caucus will have to move a vote backing him that he can brandish – otherwise the game is up anyway.” 

  8. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    So in the last few weeks we have had;

    *Labour’s total lack of organizational skills over the intern fiasco.
    *The Greens calling NZL First & Winston racist, but are happy enough to form a govt with them.
    *Winston calling out the Greens and saying he will punish them for their outburst if in govt.
    *Winston essentially saying the Greens are unfit to be in govt.
    *Turei admitting to benefit fraud in an effort to undermine the MoU and steal some of Labour’s far-left wing support.
    *It comes out the Greens have discussed forcing another general election if NZL First-Labour form a govt and leave them out.
    *Winston suggesting Andrew Little won’t be part of the leadership equation as he will be lucky to get in on the list as Labour support tanks.
    *Turei confirms that the Greens will not help Labour win the Maori seats as suggested by Willie Jackson.
    *Labour internally combusting with Little admitting he has thought of chucking it in and the bulk of Labour MP’s wanting him gone. In the same breath it appears nobody wants to be the leader so bad the situation is.

    Govt in waiting?

  9. Blazer

     /  August 1, 2017

    It’s not Little that’s the problem. It is the whole election strategy. Too much policy that doesn’t resonate with voters.Labour just don’t see that trying to be everything to everyone. ..can’t work. Too scared to offend big business. National should have been easy meat. ..this election.

    • PDB

       /  August 1, 2017

      The MSM have what they wanted – Ardern is now leader.

      • MaureenW

         /  August 1, 2017

        Too much hilarity for one day. It’s the most attention Labour’s had since David bought his fish into Parliament for his stunning killer move

    • Gezza

       /  August 1, 2017

      Nothing to offer medium or small business, or self-employed tradies, or contractors either.
      Labour = employees only.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        Labour = govt employees only

        • Gezza

           /  August 1, 2017

          Wanna bet?
          Only some departments.
          Only up to a certain salary level.
          Only those on collective contracts.
          Only those who aren’t private contractors or consultants.

  10. Trevors_elbow

     /  August 1, 2017

    Booooooooooooooommmmmmm…. let the games begin

  11. Corky

     /  August 1, 2017

    Andy’s gone!!!

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2017

      After the shock. ..feedback is quite positive re Ardern and her capability. Maybe another 2017 surprise. ..in store.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        Feedback and reality can obviously be quite different then…..

      • Corky

         /  August 1, 2017

        I hope not Blazer. My excitement of drama on election night has been somewhat dashed. Now instead of instant gratification, I will now have to wait for Cindy to form a government and wait for it to implode.( delayed gratification)

        However, all is not lost. We still have the Greens and Earth Mother. You can’t tell me Earth Mother is a happy lassie at the moment…..can you?