Labour – fresher approach?

Labour might be needing to do a bit of self inflicted graffiti after today. Here is one suggestion:

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There was a lot of speculation about possible leadership contenders yesterday. As usual Ardern says she is not thinking of leadership.

RNZ:  ‘I’m not thinking about a Plan B’ – Jacinda Ardern

Ms Ardern said she was fully backing Mr Little and that he was acting in an open and honest way.

She was asked whether she would be prepared to step in as leader, if a vacancy occurred before the election.

“My focus is supporting Andrew and doing my bit and making sure we run the best campaign that we can.”

She said of course Labour would like to see its support higher.

“A lot can happen in seven weeks, we just have to make sure New Zealanders are hearing the different political offerings that are out there and that they have a chance to vote on the issues, rather than distractions.”

But she and Labour can’t avoid the distraction of just about every political journalist talking about the different political offerings – for Labour leadership.

Just over a week ago: Jacinda Ardern says there’s ‘no plan B’ if Andrew Little doesn’t rise in the polls

“Andrew Little is taking us to the election for victory,” Ms Ardern told host Lisa Owen. “There’s no plan B.”

Perhaps later to day she will be saying there is no plan C.

Ardern stood as deputy to Grant Robertson when he contested the leadership with Little, but that combo doesn’t seem to be favoured at the moment.

A prediction from Stuff late last night: Jacinda Ardern and Kelvin Davis rumoured to be on the ticket if Andrew Little goes

A Labour leadership ticket of Jacinda Ardern and hard-nosed Maori MP Kelvin Davis is emerging as the most likely option if Andrew Little falls on his sword.

Little heads into a do-or-die caucus meeting on Tuesday morning after a shock admission that he offered to resign as leader over a string of disastrous polls.

Labour is staring down the barrel at an election rout and Little may not even make it back into Parliament if the party’s vote slips further.

Stuff has been told caucus members are weighing up options should Little now decide his position is hopeless – and Ardern and Davis are the frontrunners.

While rumours were swirling late Monday about the caucus doing the numbers, it is unlikely there will be a direct challenge unless Little agrees to go – and that is still an open question.

But an Ardern-Davis ticket is seen as unifying the caucus as well as boosting the Maori caucus influence to reward the Maori vote.

It would be a tough ask for an MP to step up into the leadership role this close to an election, and Davis has a battle of his own in his Te Tai Tokerau electorate.

But he is one of the few in the Labour ranks who has been seen to be working hard this term and has the mana to give it a crack.

I’d put Davis as leader and leave Ardern at deputy, but despite Ardern’s ‘no plan B’ mantra she is likely to get elevated. She has already been doing the rounds with little so knows the party lines well.

However I think Ardern’s depth of knowledge, especially on economic matters, would be severely tested in leaders’ debates.

66 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  August 1, 2017

    Andy’s cancelled all media interviews today. His caucus may send him to Carrousel by sunset.

    Barry Soper mulled over potential leaders this morning

    1- Grant
    2-Phil
    3-Cindy
    4- Stuart Nash

    Knowing Labour they will probably keep the same leadership until after the election.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  August 1, 2017

      Soper’s well wide of the mark with every one of his picks. Time to ease into retirement perhaps…

      • Corky

         /  August 1, 2017

        According to Ian Wishart Soper is twenty years past his use-by date.

  2. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    The unions run Labour – have the MSM asked them what they think of the situation? No doubt they remain behind union man Little as there is no alternative from their perspective.

    PG: “However I think Ardern’s depth of knowledge, especially on economic matters, would be severely tested in leaders’ debates.”

    We know it, more importantly she knows it, unfortunately many on the left don’t know it. She is the new Nanaia Mahuta – a professional passenger who doesn’t really know how to drive and has no real desire to learn.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 1, 2017

      Todays unions have crazy’s like Stephanie Rogers in charge.

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2017

    Labour is straddling a fault line weird-left/blue-collar.

  4. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    • Corky

       /  August 1, 2017

      Damn, that is, er, I mean was, a fine looking bus. No doubt about women drivers. So why may Labour be considering another women driver? It’s all so complicated. Lets hope those merry losers put us out of our misery soon.

  5. Gezza

     /  August 1, 2017

    I’m not sure I even want to talk about this any more. I’m feckin horrified!
    Never seen anything like it.
    There’s crazy-eyed, bleeding, bandaged people all over the place!
    Has some weird killing machine got loose in their caucus?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 1, 2017

      Reckon they’ve been taking advice from Mike Moore?

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 1, 2017

    Little is goneburger. Ardern is being hoisted into place.

    • PDB

       /  August 1, 2017

      Ardern is simply mince meat for Winston and the Greens.

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2017

      Standard say he is…gone.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 1, 2017

        The Herald did some time ago.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        The Standard is hilarious today! Apparently Labours mess is all down to National dirty politics and the very few remaining ‘non-far left winger’ Labour MP’s.

        Then we have the Daily Blog – Bradbury: “Matthew Hooton and Patrick Gower have had their pay day with destabilising the leader of Labour once again and Andrew Little has stepped down”. So it’s all Gower’s and Hooton’s fault?

        What a total bunch of losers.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        He wuz fukn gone from Stinks To High Heaven onwards, I’m sorry to say.
        There hasn’t been a passing car he hasn’t barked at!

        I’m sorry to have to tell you this, Blazer – but stoat or not, you are just going to have to suck it up! They have NFI, as you like to say!

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 1, 2017

      Loving the downticks. LMAO.

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 1, 2017

    So they’ve traded a leader who had a one-sided view of economics for a new one who has no clue at all and who will be poked out shivering to front for Robertson. It’s like watching a riitual slaughter.

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2017

      Ardern can handle herself with media.Bit under rated.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        In the debates she’ll be hopeless though – policy detail and economics not exactly her strength.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 1, 2017

        With Woman’s Day maybe.

    • PDB

       /  August 1, 2017

      Even in Ardern’s pet subject Bill English has more experience with six kids of his own.

    • Ray

       /  August 1, 2017

      If Ardern gets the job it will be make or break, my feeling is that her many shortcomings will be there for all to see, it will be brutal.
      Robbo on the other hand will be in the perfect position to pick up the pieces post election.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 1, 2017

        Mightn’t be much left after Winston and the Greens have finished chewing on them.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        After so many leaders you’d think Labour would realise that it is the party itself that is the problem – probably wishful thinking.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 1, 2017

          They could just run a monthly lottery to decide who is to be leader this month?

          Think how much angst that would solve and they wouldn’t have to worry about gender, age, region, decile and sexual orientation balance any more.

          • MaureenW

             /  August 1, 2017

            Can’t they all be leader simultaneously? Wouldn’t want any hurty feelings.

        • Blazer

           /  August 1, 2017

          The problem is Labour do not understand the electorate. ..it’s not about policy. ..it’s about. ..popularity…Key proved that. Billy has no charisma but just got very ..lucky. Labour need to reinvent themselves.

          • PDB

             /  August 1, 2017

            You’re in denial as usual Blazer – English has a very solid track record of sound economic management within the Key govt. No one in any of the opposition parties comes close and as a recent survey confirmed the economy is by far the most important thing this election for New Zealanders.

          • Gezza

             /  August 1, 2017

            Whoever has put her up for leadership – I hear it’s been confirmed she IS, Kelvin Deputy – might well want her dead!

  8. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

  9. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 1, 2017

      Jacinda – the tethered goat.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

      • Patzcuaro

         /  August 1, 2017

        Time will tell but you probably right.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 1, 2017

        Winston’s smile will be reaching back to his ears as he mops up the chauvinist Labour remnants. Jacinda will be left with the teachers and academics. Might collect a few Greens turned off by Turei’s criminal tendencies.

  10. PDB

     /  August 1, 2017

    Stuff: “Ardern says she used to be the president of a youth organisation that had members from “Lebanon, Israel and Palestine – I think I can handle this”.

    Yep, sounds like she’s got all the tools to become PM……….no doubt also expert at manipulating the media due to her previous job of wrapping fish and chips up in newspaper.

    • Corky.

       /  August 1, 2017

      Palestinians? She claims to have nurtured media contacts which she will now use.

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        She has 99% of the MSM behind her trying to prop Labour up and make a decent game of it.

        The chances of Winston agreeing to Ardern being PM in a govt he is propping up? Close to zero I would think.

        • Corky

           /  August 1, 2017

          Yes, very true. And the charter school debate will be a hoot within Labour. Those teacher unions will have little time for Cindy should she take an indifferent attitude towards such schools.

          I’m surprised that a few squawk back callers are already asking how will Cindy deal with Paula and Jude. Two hard bitten Tory women who have already given Cindy a serve on Duncan Garners show.

          • PDB

             /  August 1, 2017

            It’s going to be a fine line National will have to tread – Ardern plays the victim well and too much criticism of her could be problematic in terms of public sentiment.

  11. MaureenW

     /  August 1, 2017

    Tracy Watkins Opinion follows.. I don’t know what her prediction success rate is like, but dragging out a bunch of dated clichés about “the Labour Party” I wouldn’t have thought is a good strategy this far out from an election ..” .. potential game changers..”
    People are like, what’s in the election for me? Not so much interested in Labour putting on a fresh coat of red lippy, and promising relentless positivity – what does that even mean to voters?

    OPINION: So much for the boring election. Jacinda Ardern and Kelvin Davis are potential game changers. Political convention says it is political suicide to change leaders two months out from an election but these are no longer ordinary times. The political rule book is being rewritten around the world.

    Stuff | by TRACY WATKINS

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2017

      Have to agree with. .Houten. ..Robertson is a canker in…Labour.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 1, 2017

      I suspect National’s strategy is to try to make sure Jacinda doesn’t get rolled before the election.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2017

        They’re gonna be worn out & impoverished just replacing the posters & signs & updating their website, (Wonder how long the last will take?)
        God what a bloody shambles!

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        Labour will get a good bounce in the polls as all new leaders do and the MSM will go into pro-Ardern overdrive……….of interest will be at whose detriment this boost comes from.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  August 1, 2017

      They have tried it on once before Maureen, 6 weeks out from memory. Moore still lost bigly but at least he held the ship and stopped the freefall

      • PDB

         /  August 1, 2017

        I’ve no doubt Ardern as leader will win back some votes from the Greens and NZl First – not certain National support will be majorly affected however.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 1, 2017

          Why would anyone go back to Ardern from NZF? I can’t see that. I can see male unionists going the other way.

          • PDB

             /  August 1, 2017

            Even on the radio I heard a couple of people that are now going back to Labour having gone over to NZL First. They assume a new dawn for Labour having lost all hope that the party would do anything under Little.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 1, 2017

              The media would have to find someone I guess. Maybe those who resented union control of the party.

            • MaureenW

               /  August 1, 2017

              That says nothing to me PDB, other than people are fickle. The Labour Party hasn’t done anything under any leader since Helen except change leaders.
              Helen Clark was always politically active, she was gritty, smart and intense.
              Jacinda Adern slept out in a panda-suit onesie to raise awareness of homelessness.
              Good luck to her, but I tend to agree with Alan, she is the tethered goat.

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              The MSM will be doing everything to promote her – don’t be surprised if she gets the party back up to a Cunliffe like election day result at the expense of other possible coalition parties.

              Put it this way the chances of NZL First getting as high as 20% (as some were predicting) aren’t going to happen now as at the very least Little being ousted will stabilise Labours support base.

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              To add – being so close to the election she will enjoy the ‘bounce’ a new leader gets in support without a chance for that to wear off (before voting day) as it always does over time.

            • MaureenW

               /  August 1, 2017

              She’ll have to get through some debates first, and start talking up labour policy. If she fails in those early hard hitting sessions, she’ll be chasing Andy, the Daves and Phil down the has-been track.

            • PDB

               /  August 1, 2017

              As I mention above, she plays the victim well & being a young(ish) woman National have to be far more careful in how they attack her unlike Goff, Shearer, Cunliffe and Little.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 1, 2017

              Just listened to her on the wireless. She’s got the H Clark faux sincerity, platitudes and catchy one liners off pat. We are even treated to hushed tones and a minor 7th pitch to enforce gravitas. As shallow as a car park puddle. Her whole life spent in institutions with zero life experience beyond a stint in a greasy joint. But hey “I’m relentlessly upbeat”, Surely to God folks aren’t that gullible

          • MaureenW

             /  August 1, 2017

            Hillary Clinton played victim well and had the media on her side, and played the female card .. I can’t see much change for Labour come the election, personally I think this will play out well for Peters.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  August 1, 2017

            With Andy’s demise is this the last hurrah for the union movement? My old mates Frank and Trevor will be rolling in their graves

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2017

              Well, I watched it her do Question 1 in the Oppo Leader driver’s seat with Kelvo sitting next her, it looked like surreptitiously scribbling out his secret plan for taking over from early in the New Year. It was to Lurch’s Nodding Billy & it was about the Housing Crisis. She was marginally better than Andy, but it was still the same tired idea of running the same sort of script of supplementaries regardless of what the Prime Minister actually said.

              His first words were to conratulate her on her recent appointment, without any trace of sarcasm, & then cooly & professionally bat away every wobbly, slow-moving ball she weakly bowled doen the pitch.

              Q 2 or 3 was Winston uslessly trying to still get mileage out of the number of phone calls Bill made to someone over the Barclay incident. I had a hottie & was lying down on the sofa, feeling a bit sleepy after a late night of korero with the favourite nephew, so I went oft to sleep
              during that fiasco, woke up not long ago, in the dark, missed me visit to dad, just placated ma, and I reckon Labour are totally stuffed, come what may,

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 1, 2017

              Love it G. How do you handle an oppo who have plummed new depths of incompetence? Bill’s as buggered as the rest of them

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2017

              conratulate her

              (Ok, I’ve put that one in the draw for typo Best Of The Day too, but I don’t think its got a shit-show of beating Al’s “small minged” one. 🤔 )

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 1, 2017

              Give it to Al, he needs his ego stroked

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