Ardern v Richardson

Ardern has had favourable media coverage for a long time, often apparently carefully nurtured.

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  1. Corky

     /  August 3, 2017

    ”Hooton says Ardern has “a network into the media that National cannot reach.”

    Networking, the Lefties strong point. Aided by a liberal media. A media already smarting over Trump smashing them at every turn…and reminding them they are ” just the media- nothing more.”

    You bet these liberal toerags are thristing for utu. National, you are in for a rough ride.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 3, 2017

    Emmerson bats for the loony Left. Hooten is on the money. So will Jacinda evolve from dolly bird to barren political crone or after a brief fling in the limelight satisfy her family desires?

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    • Pete Kane

       /  August 3, 2017

      One time ’employers buddy’ Debra Coddington climbing on board. All getting silly.
      “Jacinda Ardern children question sexist, insensitive” –
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95393533/jacinda-ardern-children-question-sexist-insensitive

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      • Corky

         /  August 3, 2017

        I tried to warn Libertarians Debra Coddington was a brittle adherent. Sure enough; one minute she’s tell wet drip liberals where to get off….the next minute she’s cooking breakfast for under privileged school kids and telling us Righties we have no idea of what’s happening in the real world.

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        • Gezza

           /  August 3, 2017

          😳
          Which bit has she got wrong? 🤔

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          • Corky

             /  August 3, 2017

            Being something she wasn’t.

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            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              I suspect she’s just being who she is, & your difficulty is just that she’s not being what you are? But that could actually be a good thing, if you think about it?

            • Corky

               /  August 3, 2017

              I thought you were with dad?

              ”I suspect she’s just being who she is.”

              Correct, that’s my point. Why she wanted to be a Libertarian is beyond me.

              I cottoned on to her when she used to make guest appearances on Linsday Perigos programme. Something not quite right.

              Then she did an expose on Alan Duff. While that was great journalism and Duff deserves what he got, I couldn’t help but pick up the stench of socialism in the way the article presented. The nastiness shone through.

              Ironically when she ditched the Libs she accused them of the same thing.

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              Yeah I am with dad, but he’s been sitting there quietly hallucinating & I have wireless access up here. So I decided to carry on reading the forum, looking for intelligent posts.

              I think you can be a right winger & without being an arsehole. I think this might be where you & she part company perhaps?

              Maybe she’s just an intelligent, compassionate, right winger who wants to help people until they can help themselves, & by help them to get there?

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              Couple of typos there, sorry about that. Heading home now.

            • Corky

               /  August 3, 2017

              ”I think you can be a right winger & without being an arsehole. I think this might be where you & she part company perhaps? ‘

              But of course. Where she parted company with me was she’d never been a Libertarian… she was a fake. That’s also where you and I part company. What you read of mine is what you get. I’m consistent. You conversely have good cop bad cop day.

              That is what Libertarianism is about. Policies that derive from a central philosophy and are CONSISTENT when matched against that philosophy. I think Coddington never quite understood that from the heart. She only understood the concept in an intellectual way.

              Hence, here non understanding of why she was feeding those kids.

            • Corky

               /  August 3, 2017

              *days*

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              I think she’s probably just a nicer human being than you Corky.
              I don’t have good cop bad cop daysy. You keep trying to work me out & attribute some weird motivation being behind what I say, but you’re hopeless at it & you’re always wrong. I’m not inconsistent. I’m just not locked in to some really really narrow zero sum game view of the world and everything in it like you.

              God it’s hard getting this thru to you.

              Are you still planning to not vote because no party is going to ban muslims. Because, frankly, if anybody else said that to me I’d think they were a fkn idiot. I hope you’re reconsidered this?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 3, 2017

              Stick with it G. Swatting gadflies is the burden you have to bear. Hes harmless. Cheers,c

          • Corky

             /  August 3, 2017

            Geez,. talk about having a bad hair day, then telling me you don’t have them.

            Then the continuing sarcasm and thinly veiled abuse. Hey, maybe you are consistent.

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            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              😳❓

              Which bit have I got wrong ? 🤔

            • Corky

               /  August 3, 2017

              You have done nothing wrong. I’m enjoying your effort. It’s an opera especilaly for me. That makes me feel warm and fuzzy. We have always admired your effort…the more the merrier as the saying goes.

              However, I’m tired of your nasty posts. So to stop myself doing anything rash I wont be engaging you again.

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              Probably for the best. You seem to get upset rather easily at the smallest things. And then I feel all guilty when you start whining at me.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 3, 2017

      I don’t know who Emmerson bats for, but he’s a top notch batsman when it comes to cartoons. Hooten is a fast bowler for the ridiculous right specialising in bouncers but has been known to loose his line occasionally and hit his own team mates.

      Jacinda seems a jolly sort and may yet get the political crown. Obviously children are more complicated issue for female politicians but that is a decision for Ardern and her partner.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  August 3, 2017

        Even when she has previously given soft ball women’s mag interviews stating she doesn’t want to be leader because she wants to have a family first?
        The whole situation has been stage managed to garner sympathy and support.

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        • Gezza

           /  August 3, 2017

          Might well have been, but might take on a life of its own with these two.
          She gave a much better performance at Question Time, No 2, yesterday than Andy ever managed – but the entire thing seems to be reading off a script at the moment.

          What we’ve seen so far is acting talent from Jacinda, but I think maybe Kelvin’s got steel nerves.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  August 3, 2017

          If a journalist asks a MP if they have leadership ambitions and they say yes it just opens a gigantic can of worms. Ardern deflected well but seized the opportunity when it arose. Game well played. If you want a cricket analogy she defended well against good bowling but hit the bad ball for six. Time will tell how many runs she gets.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 3, 2017

        No it isn’t. It’s a decision the voters are bound to take into account.

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  3. sorethumb

     /  August 3, 2017

    That’s what Stephanie Rogers said yesterday on morning report “but now they will have to be even handed”. I thought of Donald Trump but DT was getting coverage for his outrageousness and the media thought they would shoot him down.

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  4. Why is no one berating Jesse Mulligan, who raised the same questions of Ardern 12 hours before Richardson? I’m sure it has nothing to do with Ardern and Mulligan being mates…

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    • Gezza

       /  August 3, 2017

      Could also be because he’s a dork & why would anyone pay any attention to him?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 3, 2017

        Oxymoronic much, G. He’s criticized because no-one pays attention?

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        • Gezza

           /  August 3, 2017

          Oh, sorry. Thought was a reference to the future baby plans thing. Next time I’ll try & remember to read PG’s post.

          Last nite, did you really go to bed, or did you pass out from shock when you realised Le Bazeur might be onto something, for a change?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 3, 2017

            Bed called. If B is onto anything it is by random chance and will be gone by morning.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 3, 2017

    Farrar has an objective assessment of Ardern here. I’m surprised he rates her on policy detail – I haven’t seen others do that. Management experience seems to be her big lack. Davis has more so maybe can fill in as long as he doesn’t want to be boss.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/the_pros_and_cons_of_jacinda.html

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    • PDB

       /  August 3, 2017

      In terms of leadership I think she is a fan of the ‘fake it till you make it’ mantra.

      She has come out the gate with a brand new persona of being in charge but can she ‘fake it’ for a couple of months before being found out?

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  6. PDB

     /  August 3, 2017

    This ‘story’ has already gone around the world and forgets the convenient fact that it was Ardern that originally said she didn’t want to be PM because she wanted to have a family – so the question of why this suddenly isn’t the case anymore is a valid one.

    If anybody had any doubt as to which political team the MSM in this country favours they only have to see how they are all fawning over Jacinda – a person who was already an integral part of the failing Labour election campaign, actively promoting policies the public didn’t warm to, and already plastered all over the election billboards & utilizing her so called ‘Jacinda effect’ with absolutely no positive result. This follows a very ‘soft’ approach to Turei’s benefit fraud announcement – one could only guess how hard the MSM would have gone after any other party leader or high-ranking party official (Seymour or Bennett for instance) if they admitted something similar. The MSM demands that they stand down from parliament would be overwhelming & the story still ongoing.

    Ardern’s attitude reminds me of Andrew Little during the intern fiasco trying to get us to believe that the Labour party had nothing to do with a Labour initiative, using Labour resources & people, under the Labour banner. In her case she is essentially telling us that she had nothing to do with the Andrew Little Labour party and now she is leader all problems with the party are magically fixed.

    One can only imagine a grouping of Winston, Ardern, & Turei running the country – all promising the earth and all living in some sort of alternative economic reality where the country somehow continues to provide surpluses to pay for billions in extra spending promises even though their policies would only stifle the economy.

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  7. Anne Glen Eden

     /  August 3, 2017

    Typical Left PC drivel. There is so much wrong with the whole subject, it’s pathetically silly at best, just plain wrong otherwise.

    Every candidate for PM, male or female, where there’s been a doubt about their intention to remain in the role, has been questioned about it – other ambitions, age, etc. Ardern is a woman who specifically raised the issue of not wanting the role in order to become a mother. Clearly she saw a conflict between the two. How is it sexist of anyone else to raise it?

    In view of the welfare of every citizen in NZ, which is the primary responsibility of the PM, should this even be an issue? Should the PM, Parliament, and the people be possibly subject to hormonal whims of pregnancy and the vast changes which it can bring – at what point could anyone suggest that maybe her judgement might be ‘off’ or unpredictable?

    Should voters vote for a PM who may take maternity leave and desert the role? What choice do the voters have in a replacement? If voters decide that they prefer the ‘stand-in’, do they get a choice? Will govt policy just see-saw unpredictably with whoever is in the role, as it clearly has from Little to Ardern – or will the stand-in be hamstrung?

    Just what is the status of children in NZ? Are they no more than ‘handbags’ – I want one but I’ll actually be a 24/7 PM?

    Are women actually accepting of the typically ‘peasant’ role in bearing children – something you ignore apart from a brief birthing in hospital before returning to ‘work’? No need for undue care of yourself, the child, or others – you can be all things, to all people, all the time?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 3, 2017

      So much common sense there, Anne. So much dishonest stupidity in the media.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 3, 2017

        … and in the Human Rights Commission.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 3, 2017

          …and in the PDTs.

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          • Gezza

             /  August 3, 2017

            Shaddup ya bloody whinging. I’ve given you an uptick to restore yaw self-esteem.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 3, 2017

              I prefer a wife for that, G.

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              😳

              🤔

              😐 whose ? 😳

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              Off to visit dad, Al. Keep an eye on things for me eh?
              1520 hours

            • Gezza

               /  August 3, 2017

              And watch that Corky character. He can just suddenly turn on ya like a bloody pit bull.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 3, 2017

              One good one suffices, G. We both know that.

    • Well said Anne. You exhibit more common sense than the whole of the Labour Party, Greens and MSM put together. It has been said that if Ardern got pregnant, her Deputy could take over while she goes on leave. Some might think if he is good enough to do this, why bother with the uncertainty of her: just hire him, he won’t get pregnant. It is not like addressing envelopes; you can’t just pick up or drop the PM’s job when you feel like. Or should the NZ taxpayer be providing self-important part-time jobs for the likes of Ms Ardern, who want their cake and eat it?

      And there is another issue, that I have not heard raised: Am I the only husband here whose wife says pregnancy and breast-feeding scramble her brain? It was commonly experienced by mothers when I was a young father. The claim that the huge hormonal changes helping a woman become a mother will not affect her decision-making outside that role seems far-fetched at best. Having a new baby is not like having a new hat.

      I wonder how Ms Ardern’s fans would feel about getting into an aeroplane piloted by a new breast-feeding, hormonally maternal mother, whose mind and body are likely to be chemically fixated on things other than the aeroplane? Or the Government, in this case?

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  8. PDB

     /  August 3, 2017

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95407204/live-ask-jacinda-ardern-anything

    Ask her now if she supports Turei………Jacinda started answering questions at 3.15pm.

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    • PDB

       /  August 3, 2017

      They just allowed the patsy questions – I asked 2 regarding if she supported the Greens policy of beneficiaries being paid with no requirements to be looking for work, proving they can’t work, not having to provide information of living arrangements etc and also if she took some responsibility for the poor plight of the Labour party considering she has been a very senior member of it. No dice.

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