Poll on Turei’s benefit fraud, and some awkward information

Newshub-Reid Research poll tonight:

Was it wrong for Metiria Turei to lie to get a bigger benefit?

  • Yes 73.9%
  • No 18.3%
  • Don’t know 7.8%

Even half of Green supporters thought it was wrong – by party:

  • National 85%
  • NZ First 77%
  • Labour 67%
  • Green 51%

Newshub has uncovered more questions: More questions raised about Metiria Turei’s living situation

Ms Turei says she claimed a benefit between 1993 and 1998. The habitation index – that’s an official public record of addresses collated from the electoral roll – shows Ms Turei listed at the same address as her daughter’s father, Paul Hartley, in both 1993 and 1994.

That’s significant – if she was living at the same address as her baby’s father she would not have been eligible for the benefit she claimed, the Domestic Purposes Benefit.

We showed the evidence to Ms Turei on Tuesday, and asked whether the electoral roll had not been updated or whether the father was living with Ms Turei.

“I’m not sure”, “I’d have to have a look”, “I was living in Mt Eden at the time”, she told Newshub.

“I’m not talking about the personal relationships or other people.”

The index also shows that in 1996 and 1998 Ms Turei was listed at the same address as her mother, Janice.

“I’m not talking about my flatmates,” she said.

These facts wouldn’t have been known by those who were polled.

The Newshub-Reid Research poll was conducted July 20-28. 1000 people were surveyed, 750 by telephone and 250 by internet panel. It has a margin of error of 3.1 percent.

 

Today Turei visited the Ministry of Social Development:  Turei shaken after grilling by MSD investigators

Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei has been grilled about her benefit history at a meeting with investigators from the Ministry of Social Development.

The ministry is investigating after Mrs Turei revealed last month she lied to Work and Income as a young solo mother in the early 1990s so her benefit would not be reduced.

She had gone into the meeting saying she was nervous, and had emerged appearing a little shaken.

“That’s part of what we’re trying to show people, that it’s very hard to deal with the agency. They were very good to me, but I don’t think that’s the experience of most people who have to deal with MSD.”

She reiterated she will pay back any money she owed, although that amount was still unknown. The ministry would send her a list of questions to answer before another meeting was set up, but there was no indication of whether that would happen before the September election.

Turei was still intent on making points about what she feels is an inadequate system.

UPDATE: Statement from Metiria Turei

“I was the sole provider for my daughter. I was fully financially responsible for us both.

“I did not live at the same address as the father of my child.

“I was, however, enrolled to vote at the same address as him, which was in the Mt Albert electorate. A friend of mine was running as a candidate in Mt Albert in 1993, and I wished to vote for them.

“That was a mistake – one of many I, like many other people, made as a young person.

“I also wish to confirm that my mother was my flatmate for a period during the mid-1990s.

“We were financially independent while living together in the same home,” said Mrs Turei.

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43 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  August 3, 2017

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    Daddy must be wishing that his ex had kept her big mouth shut, as he is now implicated in the fraud.

    • Blazer

       /  August 3, 2017

      Psst. .the more interesting expose imo is the Bennett allegations. …accuser is determined.

      • chrism56

         /  August 3, 2017

        O look, there is a squirrel

        • Blazer

           /  August 3, 2017

          Must confess to schadenfreude re $950 shoes. .Bennett. .couldn’t happen to a nicer …ego.Watch out for squirrels. ..some have a nasty. ..bite.

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 3, 2017

            I thought this (Listener plus others) Graham Adams article of 26 July about Paula and the wider bus. was quite funny (prophetic), given the first few pars were about Jacinda. But anyway, it’s kinda of agreeing with Blaz about being careful of what ‘stones’ to throw at Turei..
            http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/why-paula-bennett-is-trouble-for-the-national-party/
            “”As soon as Jacinda Ardern was made Labour’s deputy leader in March, the knives came out. Commentators on the right said Ardern was going to pose a terrible problem for Labour and Andrew Little because she would soon overtake him in the polls.
            They were right about Ardern’s popularity. She has featured regularly in lists of preferred prime ministers, regularly beating Little, and her popularity means Labour’s election campaign billboards feature the Little-Ardern combo.
            But nobody guessed in December when John Key slunk off into the night and Paula Bennett became Deputy PM that she would turn out to be a far bigger problem for National’s new leader, Bill English, than Ardern is for Little.”

            • Blazer

               /  August 3, 2017

              A very telling. .article..Bennett is…on the run…a liability for. .Billy.

      • MaureenW

         /  August 3, 2017

        These are separate issues Blazer, one doesn’t cancel out the other.
        I heard parts of Turei’s interview where she stated she wouldn’t talk about flatmates or personal relationships – surprising really because personal relationships are an input to DPB benefits. She sounded like a total hypocrite

        • Blazer

           /  August 3, 2017

          Hypocrisy. ..a common condition for politicians. ..

          • Missy

             /  August 4, 2017

            and those blinded by ideology… If anything comes of the Bennett allegations those that supported Metiria will be hypocrites if they call for Bennett’s resignation or sacking, that includes your mates at TS.

            And if anything comes of the allegations and the Greens and Labour don’t stand with her like they have with Turei, then it will only hurt them not National.

            The Greens have to show moral courage and get rid of Turei, if only to prevent more sh*t hitting them in the face if the Bennett allegations have legs.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Jacinda’s got good legs.

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              She doesn’t actually………..looks like some of those cows legs in Morrinsville…..

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Yaw trouble, I reckon, is yaw probably just jealous.
              Garn – dare ya to post a pick of yaw pins 😮
              Bet they’re worse than Corky’s ❤️

            • Missy

               /  August 4, 2017

              Hey PDB, nothing wrong with the cow’s legs in Morrinsville!!

              (no, I am not from Morrinsville, my aunt is).

      • Gezza

         /  August 3, 2017

        I’m getting really miffed that Ashley’s taking so long with this.

  2. sorethumb

     /  August 3, 2017

    One Anonymous Bloke 4.4.1
    3 August 2017 at 7:13 pm

    As a taxpayer, I was disappointed to hear that Metiria agreed to cooperate with the scum. If they try and convict her they will wear the consequences.

    Robert Guyton 4.4.2
    3 August 2017 at 7:18 pm

    Super work, Pete!
    Think you’ve got a sniff of blood in the water, do you?
    Strike swiftly, Pete!
    Go for the heart!

    Carolyn_nth 4.4.3
    3 August 2017 at 7:21 pm

    Turei said on Checkpoint tonight she was on electoral roll to vote at ex-partner’s address because she wanted to vote in that electorate, but she was living somewhere else. She said in retrospect it was stupid.

    Turei says this is what happens when you open your life to forensic inspection. She said beneficiaries deal with that all the time.
    https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-03082017/#comment-1362180

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 3, 2017

    It looks like an argument for the Big Kahuna?

  4. sorethumb

     /  August 3, 2017

    The Greens have skeletons in the closet- Trevor Louden’s closet actually. They had some seriously deranged people back in the day.

  5. Gezza

     /  August 3, 2017

    Fucked up royally. Big Time. Deep Shit. Bye bye, Big Mouth.

    • Gezza

       /  August 3, 2017

      I’m assuming she doesn’t have a current Practising Certificate.
      If she does, the Law Society might be wanting a word soon too.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 3, 2017

    She calls it a mistake. Everyone else calls it fraud. If the Greens don’t call it intolerable voters will call it quits.

  7. Ray

     /  August 3, 2017

    I wonder if the Greens and other Metira fans feel the same about hard working tax payers who make a mistake on their tax assessments.
    Because IRD grind mighty fine and don’t take many prisoners.

  8. sorethumb

     /  August 3, 2017

    RNZ
    Turei admits enrolling at different address in the 1990s
    Turei ‘no legal right to enrol’, says law professor

    Andrew Geddis, a law professor at Otago University, said a person could only enrol at a place they had been a resident at for at least one month and they must enrol at the place they last resided at.

    “If Ms Turei never actually lived in the property with her child’s father, then she had no legal right to enrol there to vote.

    “That would mean that her enrolling is an offence under, as it was then, the Electoral Act 1956 which technically is punishable by up to three months imprisonment,” he said.

    The vote would also be invalid, Mr Geddis said.

    But he said prosecutions were not taken up for the offence, and the time to take any action – six months from the date the offence was committed – had long since passed.

    “We’re talking about the actions of someone who was 23 at the time… 23-year-olds have been known to do stupid things, especially when they want to support their friends,” Mr Geddis said.

    “As a politician, she certainly shouldn’t be doing things that call into question the electoral process but, once again, I don’t think any other New Zealander would be hung for what she’s done.”
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336436/turei-admits-enrolling-at-different-address-in-1990s

  9. David

     /  August 3, 2017

    How old was David Garrett when he did the passport prank thing, what did Saint Turei say about that.

  10. Tipene

     /  August 3, 2017

    Prediction: WINZ are going to make a GIGANTIC example of Turei, in order to send a GIGANTIC message to its clients.

    “If an MP can’t get away with it – you won’t either”.

  11. Roll on UBI .. then there will be no reason for the government to want to know “did we , didn,t we”. Save a huge lot of money on compliance checking.

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 3, 2017

      Couldn’t agree more teoranga2013.

    • Gezza

       /  August 3, 2017
    • I think there is merit in a UBI, but a major problem is the cost – if there is ton be a truly universal UBI it will either be at a subsistence level, or the country will go broke. It’s debatable whether we will be able to keep affording the current UBI for people 65 and over let alone one for everyone.

      • PDB

         /  August 4, 2017

        You mention the irony – many of the people that point out we can’t afford to pay super into the future are many of the same people that think everybody in the country should be paid something similar.

        Even if you paid everybody a UBI what happens if that’s all the income you receive (through not wanting to work or being unable to find work in times of downturn)? The UBI is not enough to live on so no doubt the left would then want the govt to support such people in the form of benefits – the very same benefits that a full UBI is meant to replace.

  12. Pete Kane

     /  August 3, 2017

    What year was that G?

    • Gezza

       /  August 3, 2017

      1986 Album.

      • Gezza

         /  August 3, 2017

        #fukifeeloldnowbastardwhydidyouhavetoask

        • Gezza

           /  August 3, 2017

          Crank up another year 2nd hakf of this month PK. 😬
          Gotta do a concert @ the RH on the day! 🎸 😎 🎤 🔊 🎂 🍾
          Goin electric. That’ll rock their armchairs 💪🏼 👍🏼

  13. Brown

     /  August 3, 2017

    ZB had Shaw as a guest this morning. Tim Forks gave him a hard time as did the callers. Listening to Shaw made my skin crawl. A smug, sanctimonious, bullshitting little creep. No concept of right and wrong. At all. Awful – just like his co leader. How 13 per cent can vote for this party of creeps amazes me.

  14. Patzcuaro

     /  August 4, 2017

    There does seem to be a somewhat laissez faire attitude to the law by Turei while she was studying go be a lawyer.

    I imagine that Turei was living with her mother for baby sitting help.

  15. Missy

     /  August 4, 2017

    This extra information, and (from what I have read) Turei’s seemingly lack of understanding that she has done anything wrong and remorse, shows a lack of respect for not only the law, but the NZ voting public. She has also shown the potential for recidivist behaviour of deception and fraud.

    This is not a person who should be a lawmaker in NZ, and that the Greens – and Labour – seem happy enough for her to remain as in Parliament, let alone in such a senior role, shows they have no moral compass.

    If Turei was in anyway ethical, she would resign, if the Greens had any moral compass, or sense of right and wrong they would insist she goes.

    • Gezza

       /  August 4, 2017

      Zedd’s been very quiet. I reckon even he’s been wrestling with his conscience.