Green hero now a liability?

A week or two Metiria Turei was riding on a surge of Green support after she admitted lying in relation to getting a benefit in the 1990s. She says it was necessary “to feed my child”, and also to enable her to study for a law degree. She later said she should also have been able to have some fun after asked about standing for Parliament in 1993 and 1996.

With Labour languishing it seems that the Greens poached a chunk of their support, and all was looking great for the Greens, with hopes they would get ahead of NZ First and possibly even challenge Labour for the second biggest party prize.

That bubble of ambition appeared to have been burst when Jacinda Ardern took over the Labour leadership and sucked up all the media attention. And Ardern threatens to compete with a similar demographic that Turei appeals to.

A shaken looking Turei had a meeting with MSD yesterday to discuss her benefit transgressions – she had already said she will pay back any money she fiddled out of the system.

And then a double whammy last night when a reality check Newshub poll showed that 73.9% of people responded yes to ‘Was it wrong for Metiria Turei to lie to get a bigger benefit?’, including 51% of Green supporters.

Newshub also asked questions about Turei’s living arrangements while she was claiming a benefit. She had already admitted lying about having flatmates, but has now conceded that for two years one of those flatmates was her mother.

“I also wish to confirm that my mother was my flatmate for a period during the mid-1990s.

“We were financially independent while living together in the same home.”

Newshub also showed that she shared an address for two years with the father of her child,

“I did not live at the same address as the father of my child.

“I was, however, enrolled to vote at the same address as him, which was in the Mt Albert electorate. A friend of mine was running as a candidate in Mt Albert in 1993, and I wished to vote for them.

Technically that appears to be an offence under the Electoral Act.

“That was a mistake – one of many I, like many other people, made as a young person”.

It is now apparent that Turei was making a number of deliberate’ legal mistakes, at the same time she was studying for a law degree.

Two weeks ago Turei even went international with her story. In The Guardian: I told a lie to claim benefits. Now I am an MP and I want to tell you why

‘A lie’ seems to be somewhat understating what she did over several years.

Over five years, I received a training incentive allowance (a benefit that has since been ditched by our current government), as well as a payment for single parents. I also had help from my family, and my daughter’s father’s family.

Despite all that support, which is much more than many people in similar circumstances have, I did not have enough money to pay the rent and put food on the table. And so, like many – but not all – people faced with that choice, I lied to survive.

I lived in a few flats over the years with a few different flatmates. I didn’t tell the government department in charge of my benefit about some of those flatmates. If I had, my benefit would have been reduced, and I would not have had enough money to get by.

Many sole parents do get by – with financial difficulty for sure, but they manage.

Still not clarified is what her daughter’s father was doing to provide for and support his child, if anything.

Turei is now claiming that this examination of her past and her ‘private life’ (that was publicly funded) is a reason why benefits have to be much higher and no questions should be asked.

But she has been a politician for 15 years, and should have known that if she used her personal story for political purposes, in an election campaign, it would likely attract some scrutiny.

The Greens have promoted their integrity. In June Turei posted on Facebook:

Todd Barclay’s actions damage the relationship between the public and the politicians elected to represent them. The Green Party wants to be part of a government you can trust and already have policies in place to show we are more than just talk.

She has deliberately revealed aspects of her past that she should have known had risks, and it now threatens the relationship between the Greens and the public.

So far co-leader James Shaw has supported her beneficiary campaign…

Turei’s co-leader James Shaw said he was proud of Turei for coming forwards.

“We actually treat poor people in this country terribly, and the law is an ass, in this case,” Shaw said.

…but there must be growing concerns in the Green camp after yesterdays developments.

 

157 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    A funny world we live in when ‘being honest’ is after 20 years of hiding benefit fraud a MP that has been in parliament 15 years admits one portion of that fraud (and shows no remorse), neglects to mention other fraud, and refuses to clear-up other possible fraud by not telling the public what support she had from the father during the time she was claiming a solo-mothers benefit.

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 4, 2017

      Big family o followers Pants. Must be crowded under that bridge,

      • PDB

         /  August 4, 2017

        I think the Kiwiblog mob have been over for a read…….didn’t Turei also live under a bridge? Or was she selling one?

    • Honesty and/or Integrity are not core Green Party values… so this should be no surprise that Metiria feels comfortable lying and her party feel comfortable backing her…

      https://home.greens.org.nz/values

      “Green Party Values

      As a party and as members of that party, we aim to:

      1. Act according to our Charter
      2. Respect the planet and the web of life of which we are one part
      3. Take the path of caution in the face of serious uncertainty about the consequences of human action
      4. Think long term and holistically
      5. Make decisions by consensus whenever possible
      6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks
      7. Support ideas on their merit, regardless of where they originate
      8. Actively respect cultural and individual diversity and celebrate difference
      9. Maintain a community focus
      10. Enable participation with dignity and challenge oppression
      11. Encourage new voices and cherish wisdom
      12. Recognise our duty of care towards those who cannot speak for themselves
      13. Foster compassion, a sense of humour and mutual enjoyment in our work”

  2. DPF has listed the salient facts.

    1. (Metiria) Lied over a period of at least three years covering at least three different houses about how much rent she was paying

    2. Was either living with the father of the baby for at least two years (which was welfare fraud as ineligible for DPB) or lied to the Registrar of Electors about where she lived in order to illegally vote in an electorate (electoral fraud which had a maximum penalty of three months jail under the 1956 Electoral Act)

    3. Refused to name the father of the baby, making it impossible for MSD to detect whether or not she was living with him at the time

    4. The father not only lived with Metiria (according to the electoral roll) but had a mortgage on the property, which almost certainly means he owned it. So are we to believe that despite being wealthy enough to own a house, he was contributing nothing to the upkeep of his child? He certainly wasn’t paying child support to the IRD as Turei refused to name him.

    5. The father’s mother was at the time the Mayor of North Shore City. Are we to believe that the Hartley’s were not contributing to their grandchild’s expenses at all? If so, this should be disclosed to MSD. The DPB is an income tested benefit.

    6. Metiria was living with her mother for at least two years but claims they were financially independent. So again we are meant to believe Metiria was receiving no support from either set of grandparents, despite living with them.

    7. Metiria never sought employment during this period, but did find time to twice stand for Parliament despite claiming to be so poor that she had to lie to MSD in order to get more money from taxpayers

    8. Was believed to be living with her new partner for some of the time she was on the DPB, which also could invalidate her eligibility or mean his income should be included.

    Any of these actions are fraudulent. The particular nature of her offending was wholly deceptive and manipulative and shows she effectively lived a life of sustained and systemic criminality.

    Her offending and that of any complicit liable parent or partner cannot be overlooked.

    • I’ve just seen that. I forgot about the father apparently owning a house she lived in – and he had another address that she used for her electoral fraud so how much property and money did he have?

      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/08/metiria_fatally_compromised.html

      • Theres no wriggle room for MT In all of this increasingly complicated web of deception, i.e criminality. None. I don’t know anyone who isn’t shocked by her both her brazenness and her detached denial of wrongdoing, let alone the actual fraud itself.

        Those, who reportedly excuse her, are like aliens to me. They may as well have been beamed down intergalactically, their values and ethics so starkly diffferent to mine.

        • Gezza

           /  August 4, 2017

        • J Bloggs

           /  August 4, 2017

          The big issue for Turei is the electoral roll. That is an official record of her address. Unless she has some pretty convincing evidence that she was living elsewhere, any investigator (and presumably the court, should it come to that), can reasonably assume that she was living there.

          The other problem is that her excuses about just using that address because she wanted to vote for a friend (which, to be honest, is the sort of dumbass thing you might do at that age without thinking it through), don’t really stand up to scrutiny, when she has already shown that she is willing to lie if its to her own benefit

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 4, 2017

            It would be a really stupid thing to do, even I was never silly enough to have even considered that. The consequences wouldn’t be worth it. One vote would be unlikely to do anything and I’m damned if I’d risk a huge fine or a prison sentence for that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 4, 2017

              The fine’s less than I thought and so is the time; $2000 & 3 months.

              But there is no way that I would risk either for the sake of one vote. That is if this is the real explanation.

  3. The initial fronting media was quite a selective narrative.

      • pickled possum

         /  August 4, 2017

        Jez pete PB has got a Cheek!!
        Pete Kane put this link up yesterday and G.Adams gets it right.
        http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/why-paula-bennett-is-trouble-for-the-national-party/

        I Think what MT is trying to do; shine a million candle power light on Beneficiaries
        and their struggles with life is admirable,
        But her ‘crime’ is all some-mostly it seems, want to address.

        MT could have gone about this in a different way …
        shining a light on the perceived injustices and giving realistic solutions.
        You know … Like … How MPs are supposed to.

        Once you are tainted with ‘fraud and deception’ in an office of power,
        You will never be completely trust-worthy in the eyes of many ever again.

        The homeless are being housed in motels etc at a cost of 50 million this year.
        Under the guidance of Paula Bennett.
        Who said, What!!! Housing shortage!! Nah!!! No housing shortage here!!!.
        Who is the biggest deceiver.
        Is Jacaranda the only one we can trust.

  4. David

     /  August 4, 2017

    Instead of championing and trying to gain sympathy for benficiaries and subsequently a raise for them and a nil punative regime she has achieved the opposite.

    • Missy

       /  August 4, 2017

      Agree, she has only reinforced the idea that Beneficiaries are nothing but bludgers.

    • artcroft

       /  August 4, 2017

      That’s true. She’s probably NZ best known beneficiary and as brand ambassador has revealed herself to be dishonest, greedy. I can’t forgive her for standing for parliament instead of getting a job.

      If she is sacked after this fiasco, whose going to employ her now. Greenpeace via her buddy Russell. That’d be the end of that brand.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      If anything it shows the benefit system back then was fair, even without being exploited, and today is even more generous.

      In my mind it just reconfirms that solo-mums should be made to announce who the father of their child(ren) are unless in extreme cases like rape etc. Not only has she committed fraud herself but she has allowed the father of her child, who at the time owned a house and was from a well-to-do family, to avoid paying his fair share which meant the taxpayer picked up the entire bill.

      In this country around 13,000 sole mothers claiming benefits haven’t named the father (no doubt the majority of which are receiving cash payments from that father) – a shocking statistic.

      • Anne Glen Eden

         /  August 4, 2017

        I have no time for Turei but what you’ve said is completely wrong.

        Living on a benefit is not to be sought by anyone and is not easy – it’s perennial poverty. There should be far more generous provision to transition between benefit and work. It’s simply criminal that many working people may get even less.

        Secondly, again, while I believe men fathering children should have to support them – there’s no other way to keep them accountable – there are other issues involved. I’m sure some of the women not identifying the fathers may just want to be sure that their custody of the children is ‘safe’ and/or that the children are safe from abusive ‘fathers’.

        Thirdly, even decades ago, I knew girls who competed to see how many males they could have sex with while on holiday, for example. They wouldn’t have a clue who the ‘father’ was – or even retain the identity of the candidates. That can only have got worse in the drunken youth society we live in.

        • PDB

           /  August 4, 2017

          Not putting a fathers name on the birth certificate is hardly a magic barrier from abuse from that father.

          Around 13,000 solo mums at the moment haven’t named the father, unlike yourself I suggest the main reason for not doing so is to commit benefit fraud by claiming a full benefit whilst getting money under-the-table from and/or living with the father.

          • Anne Glen Eden

             /  August 4, 2017

            I was talking about custody issues forcing children into the presence of their fathers or even just having to incur legal bills etc. – not mothers choosing to live with them.

            In fact, it doesn’t matter whether a man they’re living with is the real father or not, as far as the benefit is concerned, or which partner is giving them money.

      • National DNA database ought to fix that up, Paternity to be determined at birth by a pin prick of blood. Removes the onus from those who frame themselves as victims, and puts the onus one a few more blokes to keep it covered.

    • Yes, the initial support for the story of a pov mum has been upended. This is a horrific own goal. Maybe time for a new female coleader, if Labour can pull a fast one……….

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 4, 2017

        We have been told that there has always been provision for the name being withheld in cases of rape, incest and danger. That is a non-issue.

        I disagree that living on welfare = living in dire poverty; this is obviously not the case. How many of these people don’t have a car ? Very few. Look at the amount that some people are bringing in on a WINZ income.

        The only problem with your idea, Shane, is that one needs to be able to match DNA samples, one is not enough and proves nothing.

  5. Gezza

     /  August 4, 2017

    She’s a complete idiot as well as a rorter of the system. There is no way this badster should ever get a Ministerial portfolio. I have never seen a politician shoot themselves in the foot with both barrels the way I reckon she’s done.

  6. Blazer

     /  August 4, 2017

    Always was a dangerous and hard to fathom strategy. The self righteous who condemn her usually suffer from selective amnesia re their own indiscretions. ..that’s a….given.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      I doubt many on here have worked a web of systematic benefit fraud over a period of 5 years including months of false declarations of income and living arrangements. Your diversion is as usual nonsense.

      • Blazer

         /  August 4, 2017

        Maybe not. ..it’s usually undeclared earnings, cash payments, insurance claims. ..you know what I mean.

      • Anonymous Coward

         /  August 4, 2017

        I was on the dole from 89 – 93, at a time when everyone else I knew was too, what Turei has done is what everybody I knew back then did. Fake rentbooks to get more accommodation allowance, mail to another address, adding a, b and c to the address so all flatmates get maximum allowance, undeclared earnings, false declarations, forged bills for food vouchers, one guy I knew even got multiple benefits using dead babies id’s – the list is endless.
        The Department of Social Welfare was such a vile place back then that you almost felt like you had to stick it to them, they were certainly sticking it to you.

        • MaureenW

           /  August 4, 2017

          Meteria????

        • PDB

           /  August 4, 2017

          And how many of your mates ‘had’ to do such activity because their very lives depended upon it? None?

          • Anonymous Coward

             /  August 4, 2017

            It depends on wether having food, a roof and electricity are things that a life is based on.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 4, 2017

              I find it very hard to believe that WINZ has never realised that these things are needed and made provision for them.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Nah they are hard as nails mate. You get stuff-all unless you’re maybe a favoured client, they trust no one & recheck your circs every year. But this sort of thong Metz has done is the reason why.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              * thong = thing. Woteva!

  7. Just heard Seymour on ZB saying he was in receipt of a lot of information which will all come out in due course. None of it would be helpful to Turei

  8. Corky

     /  August 4, 2017

    Dead Women Walking. I wonder if she, or even the Greens, realise this? If Seymour has information now would be the time to give the public a peek for maxium impact. After the election few will care.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      Jacinda is unlikely to be answering this question soon…….

      • Gezza

         /  August 4, 2017

        I reckon she’s clued up enuff to know she probably won’t need to! 🎸 😎

        • PDB

           /  August 4, 2017

          Lack of leadership though………not a good look the longer she fails to come out strongly against such behavior and draws a line in the sand. Even Kelvin has given some comment in the negative but still supports the MoU which has been a disaster.

          • Gezza

             /  August 4, 2017

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 4, 2017

              Jacinda has refused to answer questions on Turei and has left it to Kelvin Davis.
              So I think PDB is right – she’s avoided the first remotely difficult issue to be thrown at her.

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              Yep – 2 days in the job and fluffed her lines………now Turei is staying on Ardern (by not coming out strongly against Turei’s actions) is essentially tolerating benefit fraud by default. Leadership? Nup.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Nah fuk yaw rong bro
              Rong as, I reckon
              Rong as fuk
              Yous all just got it in for her
              She knows Metz is a suicide bomber – best just to get out of the way & let it all hapn & get on with Labour party bizzo.

          • PDB

             /  August 4, 2017

            God is overrated anyhow…….

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 4, 2017

            A bit free with the profanities as of late young Mr G. Must be that ungodly musical influence.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              He’s only young and he’s a pukeko. I’ll speak to him. Don’t expect miracles.

  9. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    Andrew Geddis says not much to see

  10. artcroft

     /  August 4, 2017

    So according to MT the father of her child, who was not willing to support her financially, was happy to collect her mail from the electoral commission. (Oh the tangled webs we weave).

  11. Gezza

     /  August 4, 2017

    BREAKING!!

    Ma’s just been on the blower. “Listen to ya radio at huppast nine” she said “that Sheila from the Greens is making a statement!”

    • Goneski?

      • Gezza

         /  August 4, 2017

        Dunno trav. Got Natrad & ZB on & checked tv1 – but nada. Gonna check online. Ma can get the story all up the wop sometimes!

        • Gezza

           /  August 4, 2017

          ZB just said Metz is “due to say more” but not when. Sounds imminent. I reckon maybe 10 am?

          • Gezza

             /  August 4, 2017

            Jesus! I don’t usually listen but she’s gettin’ utterly scragged! on ZB squawkback !

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              Her position is now untenable – she has only one way to go now……..

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              I’ve got tv1 on but our telly msm so fkn useless they may not think to give us a live BREAKING item like Aljaz does for something like this.

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              Jacinda will be annoyed that 2 days of positive wall-to-wall MSM coverage for her has now abruptly come to an end and reality of a possible left-wing coalition comes sharply into focus. Jacinda doesn’t have the guts to cut Turei loose and will be hoping Turei resigns so she doesn’t have to make the call.

  12. Anne Glen Eden

     /  August 4, 2017

    Firstly, I don’t believe Turei made her confession ‘voluntarily’. I’m far more inclined to think someone found out about it, she knew it would come out, and decided to try to put a positive spin on it to elicit sympathy in order to get away with it.

    Secondly, the ‘news’ is decidedly schizoid. First, the Left dominated media tried to ‘shape’ public opinion on the issue to get her out of trouble by proclaiming a rise in support for the Greens. Within a day, it becomes apparent that 70% odd of the country think she’s a liar, cheat, and fraud who should resign – including a majority of her own party.

    All of which goes to show how the media continue their fraudulent attempts to ‘speak for’ a public they know nothing about, based on a small elite group of social engineers who have nothing in common with ordinary hard-working, mostly honest, people.

    The same small, elite group believe that no rules apply, or should apply, to them and that they should be able to redefine reality making black white, bad good etc. And of course, in the way of ‘modern life’, they’re spreading it around the world to drum up support.

    None of it, either, is appropriate for people claiming the maturity, worthiness, and skills to provide stable and responsible governance of the country. It’s yet another reflection that governance has been taken over by activists with the attitude of ‘all’s fair in love and war and this is war’ to further their personal and particular agendas.

    • Blazer

       /  August 4, 2017

      Oh well. ..worst case scenario. .at least the Greens have 2 leaders.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 4, 2017

        Who ARE the small, elite group of social engineers who are so intelligent at manipulation that the rest of the population are too stupid to notice ?

        ‘They’ tells us nothing,

        ‘Conspiracy Theorists Anonymous ? It’s Anne Glen Eden….’

  13. Brown

     /  August 4, 2017

    Given she lies about everything if it suits her how can we be expected to believe anything she says about the living and custodial arrangements? The complete disconnect from reality shows she has a wire loose. Press conference looming – I suspect she’s gone. I want her prosecuted and convicted to shut her down and stifle her stinking self indulgent lifestyle at taxpayer’s expense.

  14. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    All of which goes to show how the media continue their fraudulent attempts to ‘speak for’ a public they know nothing about, based on a small elite group of social engineers who have nothing in common with ordinary hard-working, mostly honest, people.
    …………..
    Try making a complaint to the BSA, it may as well be The Standard or Public Address (in fact Russell Brown was host for Media Watch).

  15. As someone whos likely to swing green for the first time ever due to Medical Cannabis Policy, I fully agree with ACT, she’s taking the piss, and if she does stay on, no Cabinet or Ministerial baubles for her. Obviously I would prefer JAG to be bumped up a notch and Metiria to perform political Seppuku. MT hanging around is a deal breaker for me.

  16. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    She has no choice now but to jump – only purely selfish reasons would see her hang about for her wish to ‘change the govt’ has zero chance of happening if she stays.

  17. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    I’m waiting to hear what Lyn Prentis has to say?

    • sorethumb

       /  August 4, 2017

      I imagine he would blow the circuitry on the laptop.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      No doubt beneficiary, Maori and women bashing is to blame…….

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      According to Martyn Bradbury it’s all a jack-up and of course Patrick Gower is the ringmaster: “Metiria is being ripped to pieces by a lazy and craven media who want to whip her for the audacity of inspiring other beneficiaries that they might be able to rise up against the cruelty meted out to them by social welfare agencies.”

      “This is a good old fashioned beneficiary lynching and Patrick Gower is the hangman.”

      Funny, I don’t remembering Bradbury complaining the last few days when the MSM was fighting amongst themselves to positively promote Jacinda Ardern including a certain Patrick Gower?

      • Gezza

         /  August 4, 2017

        According to Martyn Bradbury …

        Anything that follows those words is always wrong – unless its these guys:

  18. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    Robert Guyton 6 [Greenfly]
    4 August 2017 at 7:45 am

    Pete George, srylands et al are hitting their straps now, picking at Metiria with their sharp-nailed forefingers. This situation, as expected, is luring the shriveled of soul out from beneath their veneers of respectability and encouraging them to let fly that bile they’ve nurtured for so long, holding it in when their own people crossed the moral and ethical line; keeping it for someone from the other side of the tracks who deserves their carefully-cultured odium.
    The lines are drawn.Where’s James?
    He has a Baba Yaga finger.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 4, 2017

      The Squire of Riverton. He who just happened to be sipping coffee at the Invercargill cafe where the Turkish(?) owners refused admission to two Israeli tourists.

  19. I posted what follows at Farrar’s last night. I trust Pete won’t mind me reproducing it here:

    An Open Letter to James Shaw

    Hi James

    I met you when you visited Whanganui last year, and you impressed me as a decent, principled bloke, even if we will never see eye to eye politically. I had high hopes for you; I thought you might be able to moderate some of the Greens’ more extreme and excessive behavior.

    A year or so later, I am deeply disappointed in you. It’s not so much that you jumped on the Todd Barclay bandwagon with Winston. But your calls for Barclay to stand down as an MP when he hadn’t at that point been charged with any offence, or confessed to criminal wrongdoing smacked of political opportunism.

    Move forward a month to Metiria Turei’s actual confession of actual criminal behaviour, i.e. benefit fraud. It wasn’t a one-off. Ms Turei admitted a sustained and deliberate fraud against the taxpaper, i.e. me! She also found a way for the father of her child to dodge paying child support.

    Here’s where it gets personal. You see I had a marriage break-up in 1993, and I DID meet my child support obligations, as well as paying tax which went, along with other things, to cover Ms Turei fraudulently obtained benefit. I kept paying child support dutifully until my kids went off to university. I shudder to think how much, but I doubt I’d get much change out of $75k.

    What disappointed me most however was when you said how you were “very proud” of Ms Turei. I hope, in light of the Newshub poll tonight which shows that even a majority of Green voters think what she did was wrong, you might be rethinking your support for her, especially as new information comes to light.

    But James, when real leadership was required, you took the easy option. I don’t imagine Rod Donald would have condoned her fraud. But your party is now so captured by socialists and activists, maybe you thought you didn’t have a choice.

    But you did. You could have shown the same kind of principles as Rod Donald, and demanded that she stand aside whilst MSD investigated. Instead, you’ve given her free reign to glorify her fraud on the taxpayer, and worse still, to introduce policies that remove any accountability on those whom taxpayers like me support.

    James, I’m disappointed, bordering on disgusted. And I suspect that on 23rd September you and your mates are going to find that I am far from alone.

    Kind regards
    KS

  20. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    As sure as the sun comes up in the morning……

    NZ Herald: “Serial litigant Graham McCready this morning said he was taking a private prosecution against Turei, alleging she had committed electoral fraud and filed false tax returns.

    McCready, who has taken legal action against several politicians, said he had made complaints to both Inland Revenue and the Electoral Commission.”

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 4, 2017

      He, of course, can point the finger as he has never done any fraud himself-oh, wait…..

    • Gezza

       /  August 4, 2017

      I’ve grown rather fond of Graham. At least he’s an equal opportunity legal pain in the arse.

  21. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    Ms Esera said she was a 28-year-old solo mother to two young girls.

    Since her mother’s death, she has been looking after her four younger siblings and their children – the youngest of whom is one month old.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/336446/crash-victim-s-family-told-to-leave-state-house
    Go Forth and Multiply.
    Let’s hope the state has sufficient agar in the dish?

  22. duperez

     /  August 4, 2017

    A veritable storm of moral indignation.

    Metiria Turei’s greatest crimes rather than the self-confessed ones, are of being in the Green Party and her poor sense of timing.

    She should have timed her announcement for the day after the election or the day after the third Lions rugby test. The refereeing officials would’ve been happy with the latter.

    It’s election year and those fearing a National loss will go for anything. That is the nature of the game – the Greens are the enemy. What is clear is that some see that Turei, for her sins, should never have a job involving trust again. That her indiscretions were 20 odd years ago is irrelevant.

    Repeatedly being told off for ‘false equivalence’ won’t stop me from commenting that the mortgage on morality haters of Turei and her actions have, almost matches their selective myopia.

  23. duperez

     /  August 4, 2017

    The best Turei can hope for is that when the All Blacks disperse from their upcoming test match with the Wallabies in Sydney is that that the All Blacks are comprehensively beaten, the referee makes a lot of clear mistakes and Aaron Smith finds his was to a toilet for the disabled with a ‘friend.’

    Then the world might return to normal hysteria.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      The best Turei can do is resign before more comes out about her offending.

      “Metiria Turei’s greatest crimes rather than the self-confessed ones, are of being in the Green Party and her poor sense of timing.”

      You’re minimizing the true situation – her greatest crime is lying to the public that she was in such a terrible financial position that she had to defraud the taxpayer & then using that fake backstory to try and gain political capital. On top of that the fraud she has admitted to appears to be only the tip of the iceberg.

      • duperez

         /  August 4, 2017

        Lying to the public is nothing, it’s simply par for the course for politicians. You know that but the keen sense of many about it has it only important if linked to something or someone they personally disapprove of.

  24. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    Nothing on RNZ News @ 11:00 about Turie’s abdication. Apparently, a cat got stuck up a tree though?

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      ZB said she was meant to be going around each beehive political reporter separately rather than making one single announcement to all? The plot thickens……

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 4, 2017

        It seems that she is nobly sacrificing her chances of being a minister for the sake of the party and is still proud to be speaking for those who can’t speak for themselves.

        How patronising and what an insult to everyone else’s intelligence. What does she take people for ?

  25. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    If Turie goes Marama Davidson steps up.

    • There will be a contest between Davidson, who represents the socialist hard Left, and Julie Anne Genter who, apart from her choice of party, seems like quite a smart cookie. But it’s clear that there is a divide in the Greens betweens the moderates, who care deeply about the environment, and the social justice warriors for whom the Green Party represents a vehicle to push their dreams of a socialist nirvana.

      • Corky

         /  August 4, 2017

        Add that to Labour broad church and things become interesting.

  26. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    Greens calling 12 oclock conference – so much for Jacinda’s 12.15pm new slogan announcement then……

    • Back to the drawing board for Labour…

      • PDB

         /  August 4, 2017

        Labour’s new slogan pushed back to 1pm……..typical of the left, 2 steps forward, 3 steps backward.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      Aug 4, 2017 11:55 AM
      Henry Cooke

      A source from within the party tells me Metiria Turei will NOT be resigning at noon.

      • Gezza

         /  August 4, 2017

        Must admit I’m not really expecting her to – but it’ll be coming whether she wants to or not. The steam is building everywhere.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 4, 2017

          You know her so well. She’s brazenly hanging on but won’t take any cabinet positions in the new Government.
          Of course she can say that, because by staying on she’s doing her bit to ensure they won’t be part of any new Government…

    • Gezza

       /  August 4, 2017

      Live blog

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95447918/live-things-are-heating-up-less-than-two-months-out-from-election

      Tuakana just iMessaged – he says 100% in poll on NZ Herald say she should resign – & that he’s never seen 100% before on any issue.

      @PDB Jacinda’s new slogan anoouncement will still get plenty of coverage dude.

      • PDB

         /  August 4, 2017

        Depends if Turei keeps digging…..

        • Gezza

           /  August 4, 2017

          Way she’s going, when Metz hits rock bottom, she’ll probably whip out a jackhammer …

          • PDB

             /  August 4, 2017

            Professional trougher who will hang onto her salary as long as she can. Odds on she will only say she wont take up a ministerial post if in govt. She is the gift that keeps on giving.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Resignation or sacking is coming

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              You under-estimate the power of the………….trough

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              James Shaw looks like he’s got deep depression. She obviously hasn’t kept him or anyone in the loop over this.
              He won’t put much effort into defending or co-leading with her now.
              She’s a gonner, I reckon. Just looking for a triumph of hope over adversity. She’s badly miscalculated.

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              Well he did just get asked if he stood by her decision and he said he did – I presume he wasn’t meaning physically.

            • PDB

               /  August 4, 2017

              Stuff: James Shaw says Turei’s admission is the “definition of integrity.”

              “Metiria is one the people who most clearly in this Parliament understand what is right and wrong.”

              Indeed……

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 4, 2017

              Fatuous, aren’t they?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 4, 2017

              Fatuous doesn’t begin to cover it-it’s beyond fatuous !!!

              What a boneheaded remark of James Shaw’s. He has just landed himself in it-he .is endorsing fraud.

              Her sacrifice of the ministerial post is like my deciding not to accept the Miss World title because the dog would be lonely as I jetted around.

            • Gezza

               /  August 4, 2017

              Don’t be too hard on James. Look at him at her presser today. He’s obviously still in shock. Now he knows how poor ol’ Sean Spicer must have felt every day!

  27. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 4, 2017

    Turei – a lawyer politician with criminal tendencies. Any true Greens left should be turning crimson with embarrassment and anger. Since she is still there I presume none remain.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 4, 2017

      Sounds like she is resigning.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 4, 2017

        Nope, she is talking herself into staying. A b.s. artist till the end.

      • PDB

         /  August 4, 2017

        Don’t be silly Alan – see my prediction above……

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 4, 2017

          Apart from being a crook, she is an idiot. Her party is a bunch of idiots led by idiots.

          • PDB

             /  August 4, 2017

            On the bright side this is like stage 2 of an electoral cancer for the left.

  28. Corky

     /  August 4, 2017

    TV3 SPECIAL…

    • Corky

       /  August 4, 2017

      PM, Billy English, needs to thank his lucky stars Earth Mother is not resigning. Major damage for the Greens will probably ensue.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 4, 2017

        We will be able to see if the Greens have any candidates with integrity from the resignations that follow Turei’s refusal to go. What a total f#k up.

  29. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    So she says she has done nothing wrong but she feels she has to give up the chance of a ministerial role??

    Does that even make sense?

    • Corky

       /  August 4, 2017

      No. She sang the B side of Julie Andrews Sound of Music sound track- ‘The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Bullshit.’

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      She says that she is staying on as Greens leader because ‘her work is greater than the individual’.

      Translated that means ‘my salary is more important than integrity, honesty and responsibility’.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 4, 2017

        My feeling is they know they are not respectable and won’t go anywhere and are quite satisfied with their executive salaried activist role.

        • PDB

           /  August 4, 2017

          Yes – she is giving up a ministerial role she never had and was unlikely to get.

      • MaureenW

         /  August 4, 2017

        She’s screwed whatever goodwill was attached to their brand. Trougher to the end.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 4, 2017

          I have decided to refuse a title in the next Honours List.

  30. Anne Glen Eden

     /  August 4, 2017

    There’s a side of the issue that this has highlighted which I don’t think the wider society realise.

    Liberal and/or feminist activists may belabour the ‘evil’ men / ‘good’ women dichotomy because it suits their purposes. Virtue, however, has never been their goal – and isn’t now.

    Men, throughout the centuries, have engaged in sex and produced children without responsibility and with impunity. Liberalism/feminism isn’t seeking to improve their virtue – and is overtly against producing it in women. They want women to have the right to engage in the same sex, either aborting or producing the children, equally without responsibility and with the same impunity.

    This is, of course, why they want ‘society’ to pay. Men can continue to earn full wages – women should be able to ‘receive’ equal amounts and without any questions being asked – as they are not asked of the ‘fathers’, perhaps even getting ‘pats on the back’ for their fecundity. That’s a major impetus for Turei’s apparent lack of ‘conscience’.

    The idea was never to ‘improve’ character, social behaviour or relationships or to be fair to the taxpayer; just make it an equal race to the bottom.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 4, 2017

      Yes we are ignorant of what the left has been up to. That’s why we need to scrutinise and challenge what is being taught in the humanities departments.

  31. PDB

     /  August 4, 2017

    ACT leader David Seymour, who has been calling for Turei to resign, has just put out a new press release. Here it is in full:

    “Today Metiria Turei refused to resign as an MP, instead just saying she won’t pursue a Ministerial position,” says Leader David Seymour.
    “What a cop out. She needs to resign as MP. She’s defrauded the taxpayer, used that fact to score political points, lied to the electoral commission, and misled voters about it.
    “By trying to take a compromise position, it’s as though she says she’s only a little bit sorry. 
    “By staying at number 1 on the Party List, she’s practically guaranteed to re-enter Parliament, spending another three years living off the taxpayer’s purse. That’s a disgraceful failure to show true remorse. It reflects appallingly not just on her, but the Greens, and any party willing to work with them.
    “Jacinda Ardern has a chance to prove herself as a new leader.  She should make Metiria Turei’s resignation a condition of the Greens’ participation in a Labour-led government.”

    • Anne Glen Eden

       /  August 4, 2017

      As I say, the Liberal/Left have no conscience about anything. The world is theirs to define as they like – while condemning everyone else for anything they can find or think up.

      She’ll probably get away with it too, with the liberal media supporting her – ‘poor little thing, she had to steal and lie and defraud the nasty, judgemental, conservative taxpayer’.

      Meanwhile, a government employee has been charged and convicted with theft – her boss ‘resigned’ for simply not realising it. Just what is the difference between Turei and Joanne Harrison? Is she less culpable than Martin Matthews?

      What an absurdly anomlous society we live in. It’s been a long time since NZ was a country where people were ‘equal’ before the Law, let alone the wider society. This is NZ – where there is no corruption?

  32. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 4, 2017

    If the Greens are a real party instead of a bunch of f#kwits they will immediately move to replace Turei as leader and candidate. That is a litmus test of their integrity.

    • PDB

       /  August 4, 2017

      A good point made here on the leadership farce this creates;

      Aug 4, 2017 12:39 PM
      Tracy Watkins

      This will be a crushing blow for Turei – and next to come will be leadership questions. Can a leader be left sitting on the sidelines on the back bench while her MPs are in Cabinet?

    • Mefrostate

       /  August 4, 2017

      It’s a non-issue. Just the left-wing lying media hunting for scalps.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 4, 2017

        And the Lefty blogosphere, Mefro, if the Herald’s “100% Resign” poll is any indication.

    • Don’t hold your breath Alan.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 4, 2017

        Think the litmus paper is turning red, KS. Watch the Green vote dissolve in its own acidity.

      • MaureenW

         /  August 4, 2017

        Like Little’s “I’m not standing down”, Turei will be forced to quit. I give her a week and she’ll be gone … squealing all the way.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 4, 2017

          With her obvious criminal tendencies there are certainly more frauds and rorts in her life to be uncovered sooner or later. If the Greens don’t cut her loose she will continue to take them down with her.

  33. Zedd

     /  August 4, 2017

    Geez it must be wonderful, for all you perfect folks, who never make any mistakes !

    ‘WHO let the DOGS out ?” 😦 😦

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 4, 2017

      Five years of fraud and false declarations can hardly be called a ‘mistake’.

      Fraud a mistake ??? I think not. One doesn’t accidentally or absent-mindedly commit fraud in more than one area for five years.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 4, 2017

      Anyone can make a mistake, Zedd. But to be a complete dishonest arrogant hypocritical idiot takes talent beyond most of us.

    • Gezza

       /  August 4, 2017

      WHO let the DOGS out ?” 😦 😦

      So far, all the evidence is that she did, Zeddo!

      Carn mate. Be honest. If this was Paula – you’d be like a Great White smelling blood in the water – admit it!

  34. Suddenly, the idea of a Grand Coalition between Labour and National doesn’t seem like such a bad idea. It would freeze out the Greens and NZF, and would at least provide some stability.

    Phil Twyford could take over from Nick Smith as Building and Construction Minister, and see if his theories are any better than Smith’s. Grant Robertson could be the Associate Finance Minister under Steven Joyce’s thumb, and Kelvin Davis could be the Maori Development Minister. Jacinda Ardern and Paula Bennett could be co-Deputy PM’s Ardern could become Social Development Minister and Anne Tolley could be Speaker.

    Food for thought?

    • J Bloggs

       /  August 4, 2017

      I’m sorry KS, but as a responsible health profesional, I must disagree with your proposal on the grounds that carrying out your suggestion would put too much strain on the health system when all The Standard posters had collective apoplexy at the announcement

    • Gezza

       /  August 4, 2017

      Yes it is food for thought. If it was me running Labour now – this would be the option in my back pocket. More chance of achieving change inside a coalition than out of it, & with Metz basically

      Greens numbers could plummet. Best not to have to include that dodgy old artful dodger in a government. He’ll be pensioned off probably after this election, if they’ve got any sense.

  35. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 4, 2017

    Winston is going to have a field day with this. Greens will be roasted and toasted and Jucinda will be ridiculed as pitifully weak for her “Dignity needs to be given to Metiria on this front” nonsense.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 4, 2017

      Apoplexy just sounds like what it is. It’s a marvellous word, and I am glad that it survives.

  36. sorethumb

     /  August 4, 2017

    weka 12.1
    4 August 2017 at 2:57 pm

    😆

    This is the problem for the morally vacuous right, they just don’t know what to do with strategy based in integrity. I expect we will see more dirt, and the election is not a done deal yet, but I am more cautiously optimistic than I was yesterday.
    …..
    Seeeeeee!!?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 4, 2017

      A criminal idiot leading drivelling idiots. What’s not to like?

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