The Nation: first time voters

Young people have relatively poor record of voting, but first time voters can still play an important part in deciding elections.

The Nation looks at what some think.

The full item is here:  Wooing the youth vote


  1. sorethumb

     /  August 5, 2017

    Some of those young white people have cottoned on to identity politics; they know that they are the enemy (thinking about a diesel mechanic).

  2. Anne Glen Eden

     /  August 5, 2017

    On the one hand, the giggly young people are a worry – but that’s probably unfair.

    On the other, they highlighted a serious issue for me. It’s become the habit, largely as the result of rampant activism in Parliament, to look at elections solely in terms of ‘What is this government going to do for ME? Are they trying to please ME? Do I like this politician – how they look, what they wear, who they relate to? Are they like ME?’

    I suppose everyone does that to some extent – you are unlikely to vote for someone who is specifically going to grind you into the dust. However, one of those young women said, quite rightly, ‘we are going to be the people in charge’. She’s right. They will.

    And that’s a responsibility they need to take seriously because the politicians they elect have to ensure that ALL people have a reasonable life, from infants to the very aged. It isn’t all about ME. It’s about which government is going to provide the most reasonable quality of life for ALL – ALL ages, All genders, ALL ethnicities, ALL income brackets, etc.

    It is rampant and irresponsible activism in government which has put the emphasis on ‘I must use my vote to get what I want, all the time, irrespective of who else may be hurt in that process.’ It is cynical and contemptuous politicians that specifically aim to get the vote of particular segments of the population, setting them against the interests of any OTHER. Society needs to be fair and equitable to ALL.

    Politicians who deserve a vote are those who are committed to administering governance of and for the WHOLE society, not just that part of it they personally want to champion.

    • “Politicians who deserve a vote are those who are committed to administering governance of and for the WHOLE society, not just that part of it they personally want to champion.”

      Thaat’s one of the weaknesses in MMP and list only parties. The Greens in particular are in a bubble of self praise and adulation and lack of criticism, and have trouble seeing the wiser picture. They only want to represent their own faithful, and don’t have to represent electorates with their diversity.

      • Anne Glen Eden

         /  August 5, 2017

        It is one of the weaknesses of MMP – and one I never envisaged. I naively assumed that MPs would retain some standard of maturity and responsibility in governing of and for said ‘whole’ nation, just ensuring that smaller interest groups had their voices heard.

        It never occurred to me that the question of the whole government would become a nest of antithetical activist groups all warring for power – and doing so by virtue of having formally decided that none of them any longer have to represent the views of the electorate, but have been ‘elected’ to rule in their stead out of their supposed ‘consciences’.

        That, of course, is where it went wrong – and the world over. MPs are no longer representative of ‘the people’ in anything but name. Their views are there personal own and
        ‘the people’ have to do what they’re told whether they like it, agree with it or not.

        It’s typical of the human species – take any idea, decide if a little is good, a lot is a whole lot better – and take it far too far, to their inevitable detriment.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 5, 2017

      It used to be that family ties ensured more unselfish voting and strategies but the fracturing and replacement of these by welfare has encouraged and rewarded identity politics and directed bribery.

      • Gezza

         /  August 5, 2017

        I wouldn’t agree with that Al. My family was solid Labour voters from grandpop onwards – it was Labour come hell or high water. Until the Gold Card with dad. But when I asked him what other policies did NZF have that he liked, he was: “Um … that’s a good question, son!”

  3. Brown

     /  August 5, 2017

    Young people thinking? I guess some do but what passes for rational thought nowadays would have been laughed at as childish infatuation with trivia 30 years ago.