What now for National?

Bill English and National have been left in the dust over the last few weeks, apart from some remnant negative coverage of the Todd Barclay issue.

There has been scant positive coverage of English or National.

Last week the may have thought they could keep their heads down, put out a minimum of new policies, campaign on their record and let the opposition make all the mistakes.

Metiria Turei and the Greens have made a major mistake, but Labour has ditched the poorly performing Andrew little and is resurgent under Jacinda Ardern’s leadership.

Since Tuesday Ardern and Labour have taken over most of the positive coverage, and have had a lot of it.

National’s campaign manager Steven Joyce has mumbled a bit but Bill English has been virtually anonymous.

In the meantime Ardern and Labour continue to build momentum.

English has a real challenge competing with Ardern for attention. He has experience and competence on his side, and the economy is doing well.

But English has to overcome looking old, stale and male. So does National as a whole. There is no sign of them dealing with this yet.

National are at real risk of being overwhelmed by a wave freshness, relative youth and positivity. Doing as close to as little as possible is a poor option.

What now for English and National? I have no idea, there is no sign of a plan.

42 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 5, 2017

    They’ve had time to let the dust settle. Their best attack lines will be economic so they need to home in on Labour’s weaknesses there. If Tutei stays they can exploit that vulnerability too. They can also unleash some strong women themselves.

    • Gezza

       /  August 5, 2017

      One assumes Tutei was a genuinely accidental typo, Sir Alan?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 5, 2017

        Didn’t even notice it, Sir Gerald. Oops. Dunno how the FWPh did that.

    • Blazer

       /  August 5, 2017

      Labour has never been weak there. ..the propaganda is…industrial strength. .stop imbibing.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 5, 2017

        Considering Labour’s best finance minister was an historian (leaving out the one who Rogered you) you can tell what the rest were like.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 5, 2017

    What now for Winston? Will he campaign against any opponent in particular?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 5, 2017

      I think he’ll mainly campaign against National as his opponnent in the Northland electorates he wants to win. That’s why he’s claiming anti-neoliberal credentials though in doing so he’s picking up Labour voters. Weird eh?

      • Patzcuaro

         /  August 5, 2017

        I don’t think Peters has ever been a neoliberal more the last remnants of Rob’s mob, a throw back to the late 70s early 80s and the national socialists.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 5, 2017

          Winston is whatever it takes whenever it takes.

        • Gezza

           /  August 5, 2017

          I agree with that. He’s appealing to the Rob’s Mob remainder & his policies are a grab bag out of which he pulls, or into which he tosses, anything that might suck in a few voters.

      • Blazer

         /  August 5, 2017

        Q@A with…Al.

  3. David

     /  August 5, 2017

    The sycophantic coronation of Ardern as the next PM by the media could well have the affect of getting out the National vote so leaving things well alone is probably a good strategy.

  4. duperez

     /  August 5, 2017

    The way the game is played might have seen “remnant negative coverage of the Todd Barclay issue” and possibly English “looking old, stale and male.”

    Given his clear mistruths and lack of candour in the Barclay business mean those are wins. If the honesty and integrity blowtorches had been applied as rigorously to him as to others, and his mantra of being ‘open and transparent’ questioned along with that, he would be keen for the amount of focus he (and they) have had.

    • Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha…. you’re so funny Dupe.

      The blowtorch was applied, Barclay tried the MeTu staunch it out strategy and NZ First just kept leaking the poison pen meanderings of Bills old electoral agent [at least that is how it appeared – honest opinion and all that] and Barclay final did the right thing and withdraw his nomination and will be gone burger come 24 September

      keep grinding the axe chap/ette

      • Blazer

         /  August 5, 2017

        Aren’t you intrigued by Bills 450 texts? I AM.

        • Bill had a long serving Electoral Agent and she had loyally run the cutter for him for years filling because of his Ministerial roles and wellington centric life revolving aorund his wife and kids…. he decides to go list only and in parachutes a young, naive whippersnapper who was focused on the rich set in Wanaka and Qtown.

          Noses meet “out of joint” action. EA represents old school rural based farming aristocracy in Southland – Barclay = brash technocentric smart set. Yip not.going.to.work. oil and water.

          Disloyalty occurs. Barclays is being repeatedly stabbed in back. Does a hugely stupid thing instead of just getting EA replaced.

          Bill feels guilty – loyalties both ways. Tries to calm situation and over steps.

          WHOPPPEEEEE

          Much more interested in a serial fraudster making like it was forced on her and trying to leverage it for political gain and refusing to step down when the facts get worse for her and the party is suffering.

          barclay took some heat then quit

          MeTu just keeps the nose in the trough to support her castle and designer cloth lifestyle and gives middle finger to those working ahrd for a living.

          yeah I’m not that interested in the sideshow you keep promoting because your left wing parties keep revealing themselves as extreme hypocrites – see Intern Scandal, see Metirira “I’m entitled to what I want” Turei…

          • duperez

             /  August 5, 2017

            Of course you’re not interested in what you call a sideshow if one of the acts includes a lying conniving prime Minister you support. You, like him want it to go away. You finally relented though, one small crack appeared when you said he overstepped.

            You re-litigate the southern situation with suppositions and gently push it away. If it were all that simple why wasn’t your Bill straight up? You know, good old Straight Up Reliable Honest Bill.

            • Oh Dupe – Metiria is a SELF CONFESSED multiple fraudster but you want acknowledge.

              Bill was dumb with Barclay.

              The greens are now everything they have said for a couple of decades they are not. They have screwed their image except with deluded leftie supporters who believe the silly “means justifying the ends” crap pedaled by killers like Guevera, Catro, Pol Pot and Stalin…

              How those Interns going Dupe? Still being exploited? Note that the media buried that one quick but just keep chase Barclay though he has pulled the pin….

              Truly false equivalence is your modus operanda Dupe…. Pitiful

      • duperez

         /  August 5, 2017

        The blowtorch was applied, Bill said enough to show he was lying, then wouldn’t give answers because that would expose him more. His evasion and his particular brand of
        openness and transparency is matched by the denial of his followers and puerile dismissals like “keep grinding the axe.” That makes it go away?

        You know he had no involvement in the situation because he said so. He only has to say it once for you. He could say it 450 more times for me (Blazer too probably) and I’d still know he was lying.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 5, 2017

          Trivia. An employment dispute settled with a non-disclosure clause is never going to involve transparency and only an idiot or a politically motivated manipulator would expect it to. Do you?

          • duperez

             /  August 5, 2017

            You know that trite dismissal of English’s lack of recognition and honesty about his part would only be accepted by an idiot or a politically motivated manipulator. Don’t you? I have never suggested English expose the details of the case and the resolution even though he was party to my taxes being used to try to see the problem go away.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 5, 2017

            So what did you want him to disclose?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 5, 2017

            No extra taxes were used to resolve the dispute. The money came out of already allocated funds to National and was the normal and proper source for funding parliamentary support services and those employed by it.

        • Yawn… on it goes I hope Bill loses so the people of NZ can see what a incompetent bunch of blowhards Labour are …

  5. …there is no sign of a plan

    Don’t you believe it Pete. National’s plan will be to talk about National’s record, and not to give other parties any oxygen. Turei is likely to self-destruct between now and the election without needing any help from the Nats, and Labour is still talking in platitudes (complete with a campaign slogan “borrowed” from Trump/Pence).

    Labour has had its week in the sun; expect normal business to resume next week. This will be a good start for the Nats to talk about:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/prosperity-index-2016-happiest-countries/

    • “National’s plan will be to talk about National’s record, and not to give other parties any oxygen.”

      But the media are bored with the same old.

      For oxygen you need some sort of fire in your strategy.

      • Gezza

         /  August 5, 2017

        Lots of fire in the Greens’ but unfortunately it’s burning down the house … 😬

      • At the end of the day, most people vote with their wallets. Unemployment is low, as are interest rates and inflation. The economy is growing, we’re paying down debt, and the Pre-Election Fiscal Update will show the economy is in great shape.

        • A few subtle but well directed messages about responsibility and hard work to underline it all with nice constrast to the greens no responsibility and no work message.

          jacinda has peopel running interference in the media… but like the Wizard of Oz when the curtain is draw back in the leader debates she will be reveal as a hollow vessel. As she is in parliament and has been for years…

          • Blazer

             /  August 5, 2017

            I suspect you are in for a. ..surprise.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 5, 2017

              You’re right blaze…i mean in 9 years you can point to…ummm. Well she definitely did achieve ahhhhh. And there was the time she had National on the ropes by…errrrr.
              And don’t forget the 2 elections she romped home in 2nd place in!

            • Blazer

               /  August 5, 2017

              @Duck. ..just think what the P.M of 8 yrs achieved. ..for perspective.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 5, 2017

              Came from a successful business background, oversaw huge natural disasters with aplomb, ran the economy counter to almost all other Western nations and because of this avoided austerity measures, came out of recession quickly and grew the economy more than almost all others, reduced unemployment, kept us at the top of “happiness index” measures, gained huge international kudos to the extent he has been awarded Australia’s highest honour and can still meet with top international leaders having stepped down, increased benefits and ran the most popular Government in NZ history.
              No comparison really, unless working in a fish and chip shop compares in your eyes?
              What’s your point other than you have a blinding bias against JK?

            • i dont care if Labour win and form a coalition of incompetence…. It will create a bunch of opportunities in the share market to buy into….

    • Blazer

       /  August 5, 2017

      Nationals record. …made Kiwis tenants in their own country, rampant homelessness, record indebtedness, …a fine romance.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 5, 2017

        I’m not a tenant, B, are you? If so I bet it had absolutely nothing to do with National.

        There is no rampant homelessness – rather a vast welfare system sadly maintaining and expanding a sub-culture of rampant incompetence and irresponsibility.

        Indebtedness will reduce if National is reelected and increase if Labour is. Be careful what you wish for.

      • Geez Fraser House rules must be a drag – “thou must keep beating the drum and shouting at people is all gone pete tong Comrades”, while reality just looks back at you and considers whether a trip to a quiet place with 24 hour care is required…..

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 5, 2017

    I wonder if National are consulting their ex-PM on strategy?

    • Blazer

       /  August 5, 2017

      No need. .Crosby /Textor…..still on the. .job.

      • That’s a hoot, when Helen Clark’s former spin doctor has been drafted in to help Ardern. What’s next; the resurrection of Heather Simpson as Labour’s Chief of Staff, then Helen Clark miraculously being added to the Labour list in Andrew Little’s place?