Open Forum – Sunday

6 August 2017

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27 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  August 6, 2017

    Melanie Phillips: The Tory Jacobins

    ………. the left-wing war to destroy the west had not in fact ended but merely shifted its strategy. Instead of the workers seizing control of the levers of the economy, the left would now seize control of the levers of the culture – the universities, media, civil service, churches, the legal profession – and subvert them from within.
    Its aim was to undermine and weaken the normative values of the west and then flip them, so that what was transgressive became normative while what was normative became ostracised as transgressive. That way the west would be destroyed and would be transformed into… quite what was never very clear, but some kind of new world order.
    The institutions at which this cultural revolution took particular aim were the family and the education system – the principal means though which a culture replicates itself.
    And since the purpose was to destroy the west’s core values, and since these core values were enshrined in the Hebrew Bible and the Christianity that embodied those Biblical moral codes in western civilisation, traditional Christianity was directly in its cross-hairs. It had to allow itself to become diluted by secularism to became a pale and meaningless shadow of its former self, went the threat, or else it would be attacked and destroyed.
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/melanie-phillips-tory-jacobins.html

    That’s why you feel odd suggesting a protestant ethic in the face of Metiria Turie and her right to decide her own fertility while charging the state for her child’s upkeep.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 6, 2017

      MP used to make some good points-All Must Have Prizes is one of hers-but she seems to have gone overboard in recent years.

      I find it seriously annoying when people say that women should not have their fertility dicated to them when this means that everyone else pays for this, whether it be via the DPB or paying for the abortion when they decide that it’s not a convenient time to have this baby.

  2. sorethumb

     /  August 6, 2017

    further to the above we have behind the scenes manipulation. Some people are standing in the wings out of sight but with a clear view of the process. They see a dumb peoples who are being manipulated. Listen to Noelle McCarthy’s A Slice of Heaven, Paul Spoonley talks about immigration as a process of nation building, which is pure mirage as there is no guarantee that a bigger population will increase average wages (let alone quality of life which is the real pull for the Korean golfing families etc).
    As Frank Salter explains at the root of it all is evolutionary psychology versus a human born with a blank slate. Multiculturalism aims to produce an uber society where nobody is racist, which really means no one thinks “I’m English; the English live in England. I’m Japanese; the Japanese live in Japan” and “those people” are interlopers etc. That would be fine if all the world had the same standards of living and environmental assets as everyone knows of somewhere where the weather is warmer and sky is bluer. Whatever expression racism has, in the average person there is an innate tendency to judge others as one of us or one of them and there is fairly clear evidence that this is evolutionary- rather than socially constructed. In which case a societies evolution should be gradual and valid (obviously beneficial to the whole population rather than a few).
    I believe our soul comes with us from the past, from our period of evolutionary adaptation in the Pleistocene. The fact that white children and native American children preferred the life of the native over civilisation (at the time of Benjamin Franklin), seems to bear that out and in the modern world that is still valid, however the poorer tend to be more restricted; tied to drudgery rather than off hunting.

  3. Conspiratoor

     /  August 6, 2017

    Anyone following bitcoins at the mo? Have surged to over US$3k. Time to exit stock acquired at 181? Some digital currencies are coming on that look to threaten bitcoin. Neo looks promising, Chinese and contracts based …drugs, hookers, assassins, there are no limits and if transacted on the dark web …untraceable

  4. lurcher1948

     /  August 6, 2017

    God forbid we have Mike Hoskings all week now NewstalkZB has forced his wife on us on Sunday morning and she is as far right as him.When she reads out texts on Jacinda and reads none in favour you know you are listening to her husband.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  August 6, 2017

    [I’m not sure who you’re referring to by that’s not an appropriate way to refer to anyone. PG] has said all the right things that Mikey and Kate wanted to hear…sad really hes [Unsubstantiated assertion].

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 6, 2017

      How annoying-it would be better to delete it altogether 😦

      • Gezza

         /  August 6, 2017

        Consuder yaself well & truly told off now, Lurch!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 6, 2017

          Not Lurch, Pete-he just left enough to tantalise us !!!

          • Gezza

             /  August 6, 2017

            Ya havin a go @ Dad ?? Taking a bit of a risk there. Might be no tea for you, sister !

    • lurcher1948

       /  August 6, 2017

      I only used a commonly used name/word used on kiwiblog its like[deleted],If the right use it it must be all right(but then explaining is losing)

      [Yeah, explaining is losing me time without any apparent effect. I’ve made it clear that derogatory descriptions are inappropriate here, use MPs’ proper names. PG]

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 6, 2017

        Sorry PG the person’s name is Barry Soper a political reporter.On kiwiblog he’s called [deleted] so i called him that as the right use his name like that on kiwiblog and the right are always right.No MPs name was mentioned and sorry for wasting your time,

        [There’s different standards here than Kiwiblog. PG]

  6. Patzcuaro

     /  August 6, 2017

    This should be worth following especially if there turn out to be irregularities at Fletcher Building.

    EY seems to want to have it’s cake and eat it, to sponsor the media awards but only if it doesn’t involve negative stories about them or their clients.

    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/why-ive-given-back-my-ey-awards-and-cash-jr-205928%20<<%20Jenny%20Ruth

    Also comment at kiwiblog

  7. Kitty Catkin

     /  August 6, 2017

    *

    • Gezza

       /  August 6, 2017

      😳❓

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 6, 2017

        !

        It wouldn’t let me cancel it, so I gave up and did an *.

        • Gezza

           /  August 6, 2017

          I see. I thought you might have been quoting Sir Alan. 👍🏼

  8. Corky

     /  August 6, 2017

    Ah, ha. Not too far from China stepping into New Zealand to protect their interests should the need arise. I was ridiculed for such ridiculousness.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/pacific/336583/77-fraud-suspects-flown-from-fiji-to-china

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 6, 2017

      Wake up-these are criminals who have been taken back to China. Would you expect the Chinese government to leave them in Fiji tp carry on their criminal activities ? This is an arrest, not protection of interests. The place has no relevance, they would have been arrested wherever they happened to be.

      Why on earth do you think that this has anything to do with NZ and Chinese interests ? These people are fraudsters who have been tracked down and taken back to China.

      • Blazer

         /  August 6, 2017

        Extradition treaties. .KC.

      • Corky

         /  August 6, 2017

        Of course it’s an arrest… with possibly no extradition treaty. Look at the way it was handled. You have an unneeded show of strength.

        I forget sometimes I deal with people who can’t project a non functioning imagination into the future.That’s why I make predictions…and you don’t.

  9. PDB

     /  August 6, 2017

    One-hit wonder Rick James died today in 2004 aged 56 – a lifelong druggie with numerous offenses including kidnapping and assault.

    The opening riff of this song was sampled by MC Hammer on “U Can’t Touch This”.