Nothing left for the Metiria mission?

No valiant last stand on the environment – instead the Greens went social red and bled.

Has james Shaw admitted that in effect there is nothing left for the Greens? That’s what the party seems to be promoting.

That’s quoting Shaw from Q+A yesterday:  Green Party co-leader James Shaw on a tumultuous week

ShawQA

I supported her decision to share her story with the public in order to get this conversation going about how we treat poverty in New Zealand.

He refers to ‘her decision’ and not to it being a Green Party decision.

I knew it was a big risk for her to take, and that she was going to take some hits, and that’s played out but it was really her choice…

About risks for Turei and not about risks to the Greens.

…here’s the thing. For fifteen years she has been trying to get this conversation around poverty going, right, we’ve tried everything, we’ve tried Members’ Bills, we’ve tried policies and campaigns, we’ve done virtually everything we could.

Except consider a coalition arrangement with National, the party in power for nine of those fifteen years – Turei in particular seems to have been staunchly against it.

And, at this point sharing her story was pretty much the last thing we had left.

And if we had just released a policy it would have been over and done with in forty eight hours.

Jessica Mutch: But she’s had to pay the ultimate political sacrifice in that she will not be able to be a minister if you are to form a government.

James Shaw: She has, and I think that shows her commitment to this cause, it shows her commitment to this mission.

…what is yet to come is the remaining seven weeks of the election campaign and Metiria is going to continue up and down the country, standing up for people who are trapped below then poverty line.

Jessica Mutch: In terms of the ministerial position, before Jacinda Ardern rang on Friday morning, was she going to tough it out?

James Shaw: Ah look, the decision was Metiria’s to make, right. And so from Thursday night forward she was working through what are the options, and she made that choice.

What I get out of this was that after fifteen years of wanting to drive social welfare change this was Metiria’s decision, it was her decisions, and it was her last throw of the dice.

It was her passion, and while she did have other options she didn’t want them, it was her way or the highway.

Metiria gambled her political future on her mission.

The Greens allowed Metiria to gamble the party’s future on her mission.

And the likely result now looks like less influence from the Greens in Parliament, less ability to make a difference.

And not a bit of environmental (green) policy involved. I wonder what the result would have been if the Greens had made a major play like this on water quality, or climate change?

Instead the Greens went  social red and bled.

According to Shaw there was nothing left for them but this gamble. If it fails as looks to be the case that means nothing left in the Green tank?

 

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  1. PDB

     /  August 7, 2017

    I could have sworn that the Greens propped up Helen Clarks govt for 9 years? Surely that was the time to pressure the govt to do something about welfare if it was as broken as they have said?

    What did Turei have to say in 2002?

    Hardly sounds completely broken then?

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    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2017

      Of course it wasn’t. She’d done quite well out of it by all accounts, including hers, what with fibbing n partner n flatmates n … stuff.

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      • PDB

         /  August 7, 2017

        Forget about Metiria, what about her heartless mother?!

        Apparently her mum was ‘just a flat-mate’ and sat in the corner knitting/sleeping soundly for two years whilst her own grandchild was starving to death forcing poor Metiria to defraud the taxpayer in order for her child to survive.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 7, 2017

          What about the other heartless grandmother and the heartless father who owned at least two houses but wouldn’t let his child and the mother of his child live rent-free in either ?

          They seem to be a callous lot-letting their child/grandchild risk starvation.

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          • PDB

             /  August 7, 2017

            Yes – at least Turei was fair in getting the taxpayer to pay the father’s share of raising the kid considering it was already paying her share whilst she did her law degree & ran for parliament.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 7, 2017

              Well, yes, why do people object to that ?

  2. The Greens ceased to be a primarily environementally focused party some time after the death of Rod Donald. That gave the socialists, anarchists and leftovers from the Alliance the chance they needed to hijack a political movement.

    I am hugely disappointed in Shaw. I met him last year, and was actually quite impressed, but any respect I may have had for him has gone out the window after his hypocritical defence of Metiria Turei.

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    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2017

      KS: “The Greens ceased to be a primarily environmentally focused party some time after the death of Rod Donald.”

      NZ Herald: “Fitzsimons said the benefit fraud Turei admitted to this week was more than 20 years ago and her discussing it had opened the door for public debate.

      “I think her admission of hiding information from social welfare was a courage one,” Fitzsimons told Rachel Smalley on Newstalk ZB.She didn’t have to tell anyone about that but it opened up the public debate about the meanness of the social welfare system, especially to children.”

      “Many beneficiaries are saying ‘yes that is me and that’s what I had to do to survive’.”

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899076

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      • sorethumb

         /  August 7, 2017

        Someone commented on Frog blog that Jeannette was further to the left than people realised.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 7, 2017

          My husband was saying all that and more for years-he has really been vindicated !!!

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  3. J Bloggs

     /  August 7, 2017

    I made a similar comment a couple of days ago on Kiwiblog, but I think it bears repeating, in the light of Shaws comments –

    The Green party has seemingly been run by Meteria since Shaw came on board, and its been apparent to me that Shaw has often not been informed of Meteria’s plans, and has often looked like he has only found out the details himself at the press conference. I feel that at the moment he is now playing the long game – Turning up and saying what the Green party faithful want to hear from him, while simultaneously giving Meteria all the rope she needs to hang herself. Now, with what he has said above, it looks like he’s giving the stepladder a little nudge….

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  4. Caring for the environment and caring for people are the same cause and sentiment; they go hand in hand. One of the criticisms of Greens in the past is that it has been so only environment focused.

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    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2017

      Name me one party that doesn’t care for people?

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  August 7, 2017

        All, well most people care for at least one person, no prize for guessing who.

        Each party cares for or appeals to a segment of the electorate and gets votes accordingly. At present National appeals to the broadest group and wins the most votes but as we saw in 2002 it can get out of touch and that support can fragment.

        If you care for people then you must care for the environment as well because we have to live in it.

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        • Brown

           /  August 7, 2017

          Caring starts with taking your money and vote and then stops as soon as they have them.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2017

      One of the criticisms of Greens in the past is that it has been so only environment focused.

      To the extent that it put environment on a pedestal above economic reality, yes. That is different from further assaulting economic reality with feckless socialism.

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  5. Pete Kane

     /  August 7, 2017

    Shaw has, I think to his credit, at least been pretty consistent. (And I’m not a fan.) More to come? You would have to think a least (the very least), little ‘bits and pieces’.
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/parliament-needs-people-like-metiria-turei-james-shaw.html?ref=ves-nextauto

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    • There were suggestions late last week that David Seymour has quite a bit more information that is not yet in the public domain.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2017

        About who or what?

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        • Metiria Turei

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          • Gezza

             /  August 7, 2017

            Rumour so far.

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            • There’s not a lot worse that can come out is there.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2017

              Hard to say trav. 🤔 So far it doesn’t seem to matter how bad it was, there was still scope for deterioration? 😳

          • Blazer

             /  August 7, 2017

            Only National voters are keeping the Metiria story alive. Everyone else has moved. .on.

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            • No they haven’t There’s a temporary Saint Jacinda respite, but more than likely Turei will be prosecuted.How will that play out?

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2017

              Couldn’t care less. When’s Sir Douglas getting stripped of his knighthood? Too many excuses. ..for the National. .homeboy.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 7, 2017

              The Doug Graham case was a “strict liability” offence.
              the High Court found that Graham and the other defendants acted honestly at all times, genuinely believed the statements in the amended prospectus were true and that careful attention had been given to the contents of the amended prospectus, including taking legal advice.
              They were misled themselves and so signed off on an incorrect statement.
              The QC prosecutor openly acknowledged that Doug Graham and the other directors had no criminal intent.
              So care all you like, but the man has a criminal conviction through no fault of his own and has suffered the consequences of Director liability.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 7, 2017

              Turei is keeping the story going by no resigning at least as co-leader.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2017

              @HFD. ..trust you to come to his defense. He was found. .GUILTY. ..end of. All those investors that got rinsed. Should have done. .time.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 7, 2017

              @HFD Graham was asked onto the board because being an ex MP and knight it gave the company an extra aura of respectability. The company then used that to attract funds from the public. So no criminal intent but if you lend your name to something you have to own it, the good & the bad.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 7, 2017

              Patz – he did own it. He was convicted and sentenced.
              There is no doubt he added gravitas to the board and was probably the reason some people invested.
              That doesn’t change the fact he was a victim as well and really could not have done anything different to what he did.
              Had he had personal culpability for the false information in any way I would agree about the knighthood, but in this case I think it was appropriate he kept it.

              Blaze – he was found guilty and sentenced – end of. Move on son, he’s paid the price. It’s over.

              Turei needs to stop rubbing her offending in everyone;s face and pretending she was forced into fraud despite saying the welfare safety net was a wonderful and generous thing when Labour were in Government.

              When MT has been found guilty and been sentenced we will move on from her charade.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 7, 2017

              @HFD I don’t know if any of the directors owned it, they appealed to the end. Jefferies was in the same boat.

            • Blazer – Bill Jeffries. Minister of Justice, 1989-90 under Labour.

              Don’t forget about him standing in the dock next to Sir Douglas.

            • sorethumb

               /  August 7, 2017

              Isn’t the “serial litigator” going to have a go?

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 7, 2017

              ” Graham was sentenced to 300 hours community service and ordered to pay $100,000 in reparation. The Court of Appeal dismissed his appeal against conviction and increased his sentence to six months home detention and 200 hours community work.”

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 7, 2017

      He is doing so. He is ideally placed to bring a case for fraud, as he has so much personal experience in the field.

      I have yet to hear anyone condoning MT, no matter what their political beliefs are.

      Rodney Hide was once criticised because another speaker at a conference where he was one turned out to be a fraudster, something that Rodney could not possibly have known at the time.

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  6. She’s lost any wider credibility she ever had. She’s firmly established as an arch trougher, nothing less. She’s clearly always expected and still expects other people to support her choices and ignore her lies. “I’ll have your private donations flatties. I’ll lie about your living in my government house. I’ll lie about my baby Daddy is, I’ll lie about where i live, Grandma will know about that, but like a good socialist politician she’ll not care when her son escapes paying his due and her granddaughter receives more than the average state beneficiary.”

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    • Blazer

       /  August 7, 2017

      Don’t vote for her. .then.

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      • A vote for her is a vote for the parasitic to have free and unfettered access to each and every cent they see as their due. It’s all take, take, take, never a thought about giving back. Every dollar Turei fleeced off her neighbours was a dollar unable to be spent on a baby with a heart defect or an old man crippled with arthritis. Out there there are people working 80 hour weeks and two jobs to pay their taxes only to go on an elective surgery waiting list. In the meantime Turei advocate bludgers not having to ever “look for work” or name a liable parent.

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        • Blazer

           /  August 7, 2017

          Have a look at property speculation if you want to see all take, take. ..parasites that prey on productive workers.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  August 7, 2017

          The argument you use would also apply to anybody who does pay the correct amount of tax.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  August 7, 2017

            “does not pay”

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          • Like former Labour Chief of Staff Matt McCarten, on behalf of Unite Union, you mean?

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 7, 2017

              I don’t follow are you referring to the interns?

            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 7, 2017

              Not the first company to go into liquidation owing the IRD. I’m sure the IRD will be after them but as in most liquidations there usually isn’t enough to go around. Usually the IRD has preference over general creditors.

            • It wasn’t so much the liquidation of McCarten’s own company Patzcuaro as bad as that was. McCarten also withheld GST payments, and PAYE which had been deducted from the wages of union staff:

              One of New Zealand’s largest unions, Unite, owes IRD over $130,000 including over $36,000 in tax meant to be paid on behalf of its employees.

              The union’s accounts, which can be publicly viewed through a Government website, shows Unite’s liabilities exceeded its assets by over $170,000 for the year ended March 2009.

              A further $57,630 is owed to the Government tax collector for GST.

              Unite head Matt McCarten admitted to BusinessDay this afternoon that the union owed money to IRD and said the union was “keen” to pay.

              He said it was “not that much in the great scheme of things”.

              PAYE stands for pay-as-you-earn. This money is collected from employees by employers and then paid to the IRD.

              Right-wing blogger David Farrar said on his Kiwiblog this was a very bad look for a trade union as it meant Unite had been collecting the tax but not paying it.

              Unite’s website says the union fights to raise workers’ wages and work conditions through negotiations and campaigns.

              http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4416587/Union-owes-IRD-over-130-000

              Can you imagine how loudly McCarten would have screamed (and justifiably so) had some scumbag employer employing Unite Union members failed to pass their PAYE deductions (including Student Loan and Kiwisaver deductions) to IRD. Yet he brazenly did that to his own staff members, and wrote it off as “not that much in the great scheme of things”.

            • PDB

               /  August 7, 2017

              At the time McCarten said he spent the money on campaigning which was more important than paying the union member’s tax requirements.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  August 7, 2017

            Not a good look, I imagine he lives in a bubble. The company and it’s official should be treated the same as any other company in that position. What was the outcome as this occurred in 2010?

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            • PDB

               /  August 7, 2017

              Last I heard the union were paying it back at $8k/month?

  7. Patzcuaro

     /  August 7, 2017

    If Turei doesn’t watch out the SPCA will be after her for flogging a dead horse as well, and that is not the Greens but her political career.

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