Two Green MPs have resigned

The Greens are splitting over Metiria Turei, with two MPs resigning. James Shaw has put out a statement conforming this and said good bye to them as if it is no big deal.

RNZ: Two Green MPs are threatening to resign if Metiria Turei does not quit as co-leader

Kennedy Graham and Dave Clendon, the party’s whip, said Mrs Turei’s stand on benefit fraud means she is no longer fit to be co-leader, and are calling for her to stand down immediately.

“We do not believe that lying to a public agency … can ever be condoned.”

The two MPs said they cannot stay on under her leadership.

“The timing by Metiria of her admissions, and her continuing justification of her actions, we see as incompatible with the standards of leadership of the Green Party.”

They said they were calling for a new co-leader to take the party into the campaign alongside James Shaw.

“As long as Metiria remains co-leader of the Party, we are unable to support the Greens campaign for the 2017 election, and will be obliged to withdraw as candidates, from the list and from our electorates.”

They said Mrs Turei’s actions put all Green Party candidates in a “difficult personal situation”.

The caucus reached a position on 25 July that this was a matter of personal conscience, said Dr Graham and Mr Clendon, and that individual candidates were free to express their views.

1 News is reporting that their resignations have been accepted and Turei won’t resign as co-leader.

Shaw seems to have said too bad, goodbye, Greens will carry on without them.

James Shaw on Kennedy Graham and David Clendon

Statement from James Shaw on Kennedy Graham and David Clendon

“Kennedy Graham and David Clendon have this evening decided to withdraw their names from the Green Party’s 2017 party list.

“We are disappointed they’ve made this decision, though we respect their right to do so.

“The Green Party is fortunate to have high calibre and energetic candidates on the party list, who are campaigning hard for the party.

“With this decision, candidates including Hayley Holt, Teall Crossen, Teanau Tuiono, Leilani Tamu, Matt Lawrey and Elizabeth Kerekere all move up two places on the Green Party list.

So much for party members deciding on their list. Maybe they have a different rule for campaign emergencies.

“We are looking forward to bringing these talented new candidates into Parliament at the election and will continue campaigning hard on our top issues of clean water, ending poverty, and climate action.

“I want to thank both David and Kennedy for their service to the Green Party. We wish David and Kennedy all the best,” said Mr Shaw.

Good grief. How does Shaw think that he can just wave goodbye as if this isn’t a disaster for the Greens.

I said that it suggests that Shaw isn’t happy with the current situation and asked:
Is he strong enough to stand up to Turei?

The plot thickens:

What a mess.

74 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  August 7, 2017

    Let me preempt that this is purely an attack on a strong Maori female of outstanding principle from older, white males……

    • artcroft

       /  August 7, 2017

      Be good to see all those pretty young wahine in the Greens now admit that lying to Govt is exactly the sort of thing they’d do.

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2017

      Not only white, male and old but………..lazy too!

      Stuff: “Green Party General Manager Sarah Helm said the pair had done very little in the way of campaigning, and suggested they had been disgruntled for some time.
       
      “Neither of these candidates have been campaigning for us all year. David’s made one phone call, and Kennedy’s put in about three or four hours worth of calls. 
      “My understanding is that both of them were not happy with their list placings either,” Helm said. 

      The party is understood to be furious at how the two MPs have handled it – going outside normal parliamentary channels to tell media of their plans.”

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2017

      John Campbell can’t seem to comprehend why these two would do such a thing………..that is actually have high standards and uphold the rule of law.

      Jacinda if she was principled should have done exactly the same.

      • I think Ardern got the right balance – making it clear Labour wouldn’t have her in Cabinet, but what the Green Party does about their leadership is up to them. One party shouldn’t dictate to another party over their leadership.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 7, 2017

          Except that was fake news according to latest reports – Turei decided to make the call herself with no contact from Labour, but Ardern was duly reported as having given the hard word.

          Ardern then proceeded to say that what Turei had decided was the standard she would set.

          So the new political standard is that a confessed double fraudster is fine as part of a Government caucus, but not in cabinet.

        • PDB

           /  August 7, 2017

          I disagree – Jacinda has actually avoided the question all together as to what Turei has done not to warrant a cabinet role but by all accounts can take a role outside of cabinet in any future govt she leads including deputy PM. Andrew Little ruled out working with the Maori party for far less of a reason than one of the leaders committed benefit fraud.

          It’s a bit like Joyce’s ‘pretty legal’ comment – Jacinda is essentially saying benefit fraud is bad, but not too bad. The two Green MP’s stance have now shown her up.

          • How does that expression go again? Yep that’s the one…

          • Gezza

             /  August 8, 2017

            H, PDB – stop it, the pair of you! You’re fully into tantrum territory.

            Give this kid Jacinda a chance to get her feet under the table & her bum in the captain’s chair.

            For the moment, rather than alienate Green voters who might be considering party voting Labour, the politically astute thing to do is focus on winning over the media & various swing voter or non-voter demographics (except Corky) to voting Labour, & to just stand back & let the fire Metz has now started in the Green Party take care of the Metiria problem, and possibly also, now, James.

            You know I’m right. Deep down, you know I’m right. 💪🏼 ☘ 🕶 👍🏼

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              Up tick G. I answered your voting question BTW. But before checking, what was your guess?

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              The uptick was for shutting the ‘other two’ up, rather than the concept per se.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Shit! 4.26am! Where did you come from? We’re both living evidence that rust never sleeps. (Gotta get up bloody early to catch Wilkinson off guard, imo.)

              I don’t like to guess, rather just ask people & let them say. I respect anybody who’ll declare their voting intention – and even more so if they say why & they’re open to discussion about it. That’s what’s missing from political discussions these days, don’t think? This is why I like PG’s forum.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              😡 Bugger. * don’t you think? 😀

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Righto. I went & had a look. Green ?? Jesus! You’ve got guts, mate. I’ll give you that!

              I’d have have picked you as Labour – which is why, as you see, I think it’s better just to ask people, then you don’t end up making a whole lot of false assumptions!

              I’ll be puttin the hard word on Wilkinson soon! Others are starting to confess – time he did too!

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Ok, I have to ask, Pete. If you’re intending to vote Green:
              1. what’s your excuse?
              2. Candidate & Party votes?

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              1. Heart (and ideology)
              2. Already said Party (with reluctance) and Candidate – not sure, not Shaw or Robertson. For what it’s worth, have never thought much of Turei either.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 8, 2017

              Not bagging Jacinda Gezz – just the media coverage, which has been atrocious.

              I’m happy for Jacinda to be given her chance, and look forward to her discussing policy and debating the issues once the media have finished with the life sized bronze statues, celebrations of her “serious vibe” and coining of witty fan phrases such as “Jacindamania” and “Jacinderella”.

              I’m also not dissing how she reacted to the MT situation. I’m dissing the media reporting which at the time suggested she had been the one who personally made MT give up cabinet expectations and stamped her authority on the Greens.

              You know i’m right…Deep down you know.I’m right.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              @ HFD. Righto. 👍🏼
              Mainly directed at that other whinger then.

          • Gezza

             /  August 8, 2017

            Righto. Fair enuf. Ya a good bloke m8. They’ll be needing a few. They just kicked two out! If ya end up stuck for Candidate in the end, talk to me. Don’t talk to Lurch.

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              I meant reluctance in the vote, not the acknowledgement of the vote.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Already Understood. That’s why ya a good bloke. 🌴 👍🏼

              I better hide now. Wilkinson could turn up anytime. I want to catch him unprepared. 🕶

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              Not hard.

  2. Corky

     /  August 7, 2017

    Look and learn, Kitty.

  3. PDB

     /  August 7, 2017

    Turei digs in and digs a deeper hole….

    Stuff: “Two Green MPs quit  after co-leader Metiria Turei refused to resign after she admitted lying to obtain a benefit.

    Kennedy Graham and David Clendon made the threat to quit in protest on Monday afternoon. It is understood their resignations were accepted.

    The pair are two of the longest serving members of the Green Party.”

  4. J Bloggs

     /  August 7, 2017

    The Greens management are trying to spin it as something else

    From stuff:

    “Green Party General Manager Sarah Helm said the pair had done very little in the way of campaigning, and suggested they had been disgruntled for some time.

    “Neither of these candidates have been campaigning for us all year. David’s made one phone call, and Kennedy’s put in about three or four hours worth of calls.

    “My understanding is that both of them were not happy with their list placings either,” Helm said. “

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 7, 2017

      Well Graham was definitely back but Clendon? (No loss in the latter anyway.)

    • sorethumb

       /  August 7, 2017

      That’s what they said when one of their members (Hyphenated name?) joined the National Party.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 7, 2017

        Ian Ewen-Street – “he never did any work”

    • Trouble at mill!!!

      Only natural that the unhappy factions would revolt

  5. Blazer

     /  August 7, 2017

    Meteria got carried away…terrible timing…has sent the Greens..backwards.

  6. Pete Kane

     /  August 7, 2017

    Green MPs quit in protest over Metiria Turei
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11899846

  7. chrism56

     /  August 7, 2017

    See the thing that the leaders were most upset about was they didn’t tell them first. I suspect they did raise objections to the change in party direction, but were over-ruled by Ms Turei pushing through her agenda. She probably even said something like If you don’t like it, quit – so they did. I suspect a lot of the Remuera mums bloc will go with them. Her grand plan seems to be turning to custard. So sad Never mind. Carry on.

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2017

      They may have suggested (brace yourself) that the Greens focus more on environmental policies? That would’ve seen them promptly demoted.

  8. Blazer

     /  August 7, 2017

    I was once a fan of MT..but this 2 months out from an election…is unforgiveable….selfish..self aggrandissement….no place…be gone.

    • Ray

       /  August 7, 2017

      Oh my God an up tick for Blazer!
      Who has taken over his persona ?
      Will he be back?

      • Blazer

         /  August 7, 2017

        I have an open mind Ray…and look at things objectively…my fav..atm..is HFD…a tour de force as an apologist for…Nationals…agenda.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 7, 2017

          I’m an apologist for no-one Blaze. Although I do feel sorry after reading almost everything you post
          Nice to see you conceding the left can do wrong without the need to add false moral relativism to offset. Maybe there is hope for you.

      • A first for me too

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2017

      She’s a martyr Blazer! Not since Jesus was nailed to the cross & died for our sins has someone sacrificed themselves as Turei has for the greater good of all!

      Living on one milk arrowroot biscuit a day she not only overcame a despicable & cruel govt not paying her enough money to do a second degree but she had to take on her own mother who staunchly would only be her flat-mate and laughed in her face as her own grand-daughter started succumbing to starvation. Only then did Turei take the path of crime, taking in the non-paying father of her child and 15 other flat-mates without declaring her ill-gotten gains to the authorities. This bit of extra money allowed her to supplement her daily food intake by half a mouldy ginger-nut which was enough to see her through those darkest of years.

      Show some compassion man!

      • duperez

         /  August 7, 2017

        This sort of reaction, probably from an adult, shows why Turei should have stayed quiet.

        She is a lot dumber now than she was when she was 23. She should have learned from innumerable cases that when you get on the wrong side of power you’re history, there is no way back.

        • PDB

           /  August 7, 2017

          it’s more of a case that if you wish to become a poster child/example of struggling beneficiaries then you better have been one – she wasn’t, and was economic with the truth.

          She is an example of a beneficiary that rorted the system & ripped off the taxpayer – not to survive but to thrive.

        • “You get on the wrong side of power you’re history”

          Nothing to do with that duperez.

  9. John Schmidt

     /  August 7, 2017

    Idealism always ends in self destruction.

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2017

      Well, no not always. The problem here is that Metiria has got 15 feet up herself & people are now kicking the ladder away.

  10. PDB

     /  August 7, 2017

  11. Graham

     /  August 7, 2017

    What’s this about Pete?

    Robert Guyton
    7 August 2017 at 7:35 pm
    The really gratifying thing about this latest news is that Pete George has been sin-binned from here and can’t throw in his 5 cents worth. He’ll be seething (I see semolina bubbling).

    https://thestandard.org.nz/two-green-mps-quit/#comment-1364447

    When were you banned and why?

  12. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2017

    This looks like a spectacular act of self-harm.
    Reply

    Sacha 1.1
    7 August 2017 at 6:29 pm

    I am disgusted at their indulgent destructiveness. Arseholes.
    Reply
    marty mars 1.1.1
    7 August 2017 at 6:42 pm

    + 1 yep me too
    Reply
    Pete 1.1.1.1
    7 August 2017 at 7:43 pm

    And me too.
    Reply
    Korero Pono 1.1.2
    7 August 2017 at 8:22 pm

    Absolutely, vile little creatures.

  13. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2017

    Draco T Bastard 6.1.2.1
    7 August 2017 at 6:54 pm

    People upset about standing on principle aren’t the types we want in parliament.

  14. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2017

    Molly 14.1.1.1
    7 August 2017 at 8:40 pm

    Perhaps if you stopped referring to it as a “shit-storm”, and quite rightly called it a reality check, we’d be on the path to improving that situation.

  15. Pete Kane

     /  August 7, 2017

    Press conference by Shaw at 9.30 pm according to Mitch Harris?

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 7, 2017

      James Shaw fronts over long-serving Green MPs quitting over co-leader (9.40)
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/95544495/james-shaw-fronts-over-longserving-green-mps-quitting-over-coleader

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2017

        Both the ‘quitters’ gave a good, reasoned interview in an earlier RNZ interview.
        The Green Party implosion would appear to be underway.
        Will watch 1ewes Tonight @ 2230 hours.

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2017

          It got about 4 minutes as the lead item with a few secs of James’s announcement he would be moving a motion tomorrow to remove hem from the List immediately, and would also be seeking to have them ejected from the Party itself.

          The Vance commented that this was a real problem for the Greens: that they were in trouble, and that Metiria has not only lost them two members, but would also likely see them lose a few percentage points in the polls.

  16. Gezza

     /  August 7, 2017

    Question Time tomorrow should be a ripper 💪🏼 👍🏼

  17. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 7, 2017

    Shaw proves himself a fuckwit.

    • What a spineless, amoral little man he is. It’s clear that the benefit cheat is running the show and that ” besieged and martyred” girl power rules over there.

      Can’t help but be very happy to see the degree of their implosion. They’re exposed for their ethical divisions. It’s utterly catastrophic. Shaw has backed quite the wrong nag here. I’m not sure of their constitution, but elderly, middle-aged blokes have no show against a bunch of morally subjective feminist ideologues lorded over by an admitted fraudster who has the femme coterie running interference for her.

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 7, 2017

      Don’t particularly warm to the guy much either Alan, but I have to say the full press conference was a b……………. polished performance. By far the best I’ve seen him.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2017

        I don’t care how he presented it. He’s an idiot judge on content.

  18. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 7, 2017

    Two resignations that now hang a big moral question mark over the rest of the team. A question they can’t answer.

    • They’ve answered it alright. They’ve shown conservative conservationists and the climate change concerned that moral absolutism and the environment are unimportant in that Party. What’s important now is pushing changes to benefits that’d deliver a no obligations policy, no limit to claims and no work requirement. On top of that they’ve let the people know they rubber stamp fraud, lies and corruption. .

      • Jack P

         /  August 8, 2017

        And Turia doesn’t want to give up her 200,000 dollar salary. I noticed the Greens are doing the same thing as Key and National do all the time: Kill the messengers.

        • That sal-a-Rene is huge to her. For starters her taste in designer clothes needs that wage coming in

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