Green turmoil a massive bleeping blip

James Shaw is continuing to support Green co-leader Metiria Turei, and appears to be getting tough on the two MPs who have just removed themselves from the Green party list, threatening to suspend them from the party.

He seems oblivious to the damage being done to the party, and his actions are unlikely to help stem the bleeding.

RNZ:  Green Party in chaos after two MPs rebel

The Green Party is in chaos after the shock announcement by two of its MPs that they have lost confidence in co-leader Metiria Turei.

Speaking to media, Green Party co-leader James Shaw said he had a great deal of respect for both MPs but they could no longer stay on in the caucus.

“I’ll be moving a motion to suspend both of them from the Green Party caucus and I’ll be speaking to the executive about their membership of the Green Party and about formally removing them from the Green Party list.”

He says he has a great deal of respect for them and then in the same breath says he will make moves to formally suspend them from the Green caucus?

He acknowledged the situation was “messy” and apologised to party members for what had happened.

“I think this is just a blip”.

It’s a massive bleeping blip.

Dr Graham…

…said while he liked and respected Mrs Turei, he could not continue serving under her leadership.

He could not abide Mrs Turei’s comments appearing to condone other people breaking the law, he said.

“If that is party policy, I’m not in that party.”

Dr Graham said he first raised objections the night Mrs Turei made the admission while launching the party’s families’ package.

“The intent is not to damage the party,” Dr Graham told RNZ News. “The intention is… to seek to restore credibility and integrity.”

“It’s more in sorrow than anger. This is not an angry position.”

Mr Clendon…

…aid he made the decision with “genuine regret,” but believed Mrs Turei’s judgement was “flawed” in deciding to stay on.

The credibility of the whole party is now badly flawed.

More from Shaw from Stuff: James Shaw says MPs who quit put Greens election campaign at risk

Green co-leader James Shaw will move to suspend the two MPs who resigned and remove them from the party.

Shaw said the way in which the pair chose to go about their resignation was in violation of the Green Party values, and the party caucus felt betrayed by the way the pair had gone about quitting.

Supposed party values had already been trashed by Turei’s actions and admissions. Graham and Clendon seem to have become scapegoats for a Metiria created mess.

“I’m sorry to lose them. I respect the decision that Kennedy and Dave have made to remove themselves from the Green Party list and not to stand at the next election”.

“However, the way that they have chosen to go about it is strongly in violation of every Green Party norm, culture and process that we have.”

“What they are doing is placing the campaign at risk.”

The Green campaign was already in serious trouble.

Shaw said the caucus strongly backed Turei to continue.

“I have said all along that I supported Metiria’s choice to tell her story. I completely support what Metiria has done.”

Shaw acknowledged the situation was “messy” but said the party remained focused. He said the choice of Clendon and Graham to leave was not a sign the party was in meltdown.

“I think other political parties have been through a great deal worse than this … and come out healthy on the other side.”

Shaw is in La-La Land.

92 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  August 8, 2017

    Shaw is in La-La Land.

    Dog tucker. Turning out that the worst thing that’s ever happened to the Green Party is Metiria. Gone before 23 September, I reckon.

  2. artcroft

     /  August 8, 2017

    National will be desperate for her to stay on. In fact I think its fair to say the whole Nat campaign rests of Turei’s shoulders and she deserves a seat on National’s front bench in recognition of her efforts for the blue team.

  3. Shaw is squirming and evasive under questioning.

    • Shaw is put on the spot. He agrees that Graham is a world authority on climate change, Espiner blasts Shaw for losing him, their specialist MP on what should be one of their biggest issue.

    • Pushed on whether he condones lying to government agencies is acceptable Shaw evades, and evades again.He reverts to Metiria’s talking points.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 8, 2017

      He reminds me of the lovely old cat we had as a kid – “Dinky”. Never harm a flea, always friendly. De-sexed of course. He’s the eunich in the harem.

  4. Ray

     /  August 8, 2017

    Metira claimed at least one of her reasons for clinging to the position was 100% support she had.
    Either another lie or she just doesn’t listen, neither are good traits in a politician.

  5. David

     /  August 8, 2017

    Shaw has the same problem as a labour leader, he serves at the pleasure of the membership and i guess that is dominated by Turei supporters.

  6. Kevin

     /  August 8, 2017

    Green in name only. The Greens are now the party of the hard-left.

  7. Blazer

     /  August 8, 2017

    Looks like all the main parties have a hand grenade on the table except. .NZ First.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  August 8, 2017

      Winston is a barrel full of dynamite all on his own.
      You’d have to say Labour are the only party sitting pretty at the moment – but with the caveat the new broom is as yet untested.

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

      *Shane Jones*

  8. sorethumb

     /  August 8, 2017

    Shaw said he believed Turie’s story about not living with the father of the child while on the DPB.

  9. sorethumb

     /  August 8, 2017

    Even the dumbest working class person will tell you: “they’re really the communist party”

    • phantom snowflake

       /  August 8, 2017

      “ONLY the dumbest working class person…” There, FIFY lol

  10. PDB

     /  August 8, 2017

    By coming out and not resigning and instead saying her ‘mission’ was greater than the individual Turei had already told us that she is bigger and more important than the party she represents. Shaw is only supporting that belief.

  11. Gezza

     /  August 8, 2017

    She’s all go down @ Green HQ, by the looks …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/95546272/live-green-party-in-crisis

    Best show in town at the moment I imagine.

    • Gezza

       /  August 8, 2017

      Was on 1ewes at Midday as item one. Showed the two renegades & James going in to a meeting that’s been going on for 3 hours so far. Appears Katie Bradford is dug in outside the door waiting to pounce 🐔 as soon as any suitably involved victim emerges – Corin Dann says he expects an announcement will be made before Question Time starts at 2pm. 💂🏻

      1215 hours

      • Pete Kane

         /  August 8, 2017

        “pounce” – well it won’t be very high.

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 8, 2017

      Everything’s gone Jacinda’s so far. Better learn when to stop and count.

  12. sorethumb

     /  August 8, 2017

    This is like the plot of Lord Jim?

  13. PDB

     /  August 8, 2017

    Stuff: “Long-serving MPs Kennedy Graham and David Clendon will leave Parliament immediately – the caucus on Tuesday approving a motion from co-leader James Shaw to oust the pair for the remaining two weeks of the Parliamentary term.
     
    The Greens’ hierarchy was also moving through procedures to expel them from the party, Greens co-leader Metiria Turei confirmed.

    The party spent most of Tuesday morning in crisis talks, following the decision from Graham and Clendon to reveal to the media their ultimatum, late on Monday evening.”

    So much for open democracy in the Greens then – in fact back the benefit/electoral cheat and immediately kick out the 2 people willing to stand up for the laws of this country.

    Can only end in tears.

    • Gezza

       /  August 8, 2017

      UPDATED AUG 8, 2017 12:53 PM
      Aug 8, 2017 12:50 PMStuff Editors
      #Breaking: David Clendon and Graham Kennedy withdraw from Greens caucus
      Aug 8, 2017 12:49 PMStuff Editors
      #Breaking: Green Party moves to expel MPs over ultimatum against Metiria Turei
      Aug 8, 2017 12:23 PMStuff Editors
      Julie-Anne Genter’s standing behind Metiria Turei but isn’t ruling out stepping up to role of Green Party co-leader if needed.

        • PDB

           /  August 8, 2017

          “Metiria Turei on outside criticisms of her: “They are using me as a target.”
          “We have to be very careful this doesn’t turn into a witch-hunt.”
          She says her family have been targetted as a result of her telling her story.”

          If you bring your personal family situation into politics for your own gain then they are fair game in terms of trying to find out the real truth regarding her situation in the 1990’s.

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 8, 2017

            So honest ‘hunch’ Pants, as of this second. will she last to the 23rd?

            • PDB

               /  August 8, 2017

              Anybody else I would say ‘no’ she wouldn’t last until the election but I think Turei’s personal delusion/ lack of self-awareness and her obvious hold on the Green party will see her stay.

            • Pete Kane

               /  August 8, 2017

              For me, just don’t know. Is there anything else of ‘legal jeopardy’?

            • PDB

               /  August 8, 2017

              From your link PK: “Mrs Turei said she was committed to staying on as co-leader even if the Greens polled badly.”

              Says it all really…..Turei considers herself (or more likely her position/salary) as more important than the fate of the Green Party.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Aug 8, 2017 2:25 PMKatieD
              I like Metiria but my goodness she’s lost all of my respect as an MP. I can’t vote for a party that has her as a leader. Sad set of circumstances
              Aug 8, 2017 2:29 PMStuff Editors
              David Clendon and Kennedy Graham repeat their calls for Metiria Turei to resign, saying they have made their position clear.

  14. PDB

     /  August 8, 2017

  15. Mefrostate

     /  August 8, 2017

    Where are all the people who were whining about media bias when the Barclay scandal hit? Clearly they were wrong.

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

      The MSM is still keeping the Barclay incident alive with English being grilled today.

      Initially the MSM were quite sympathetic to Turei’s announcement but they had to make a total U-turn when further evidence surfaced as to her living arrangements whilst claiming a benefit and in the face of a huge public backlash.

      • Mefrostate

         /  August 8, 2017

        For many people here it seems like it’s a media beat-up when it’s a National scandal, but begrudging coverage when it’s a Labour/Green one.

        From my perspective, they’ve covered both issues with the rigor and pressure I’d expect from a quality fourth estate.

        • Gezza

           /  August 8, 2017

          I’m finding 1ewes coverage pretty evenly balanced at the moment. If a bit lightweight sometimes.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 8, 2017

          Still trying to work out what the Barclay scandal is other than overstepping in an employment dispute. I’m sure it’s there somewhere but all i see is grilling over things like text messages without anyone saying why they need to know…

          • Mefrostate

             /  August 8, 2017

            Plenty of Greenies are also trying to work out what her scandal is.

            It’s best to be especially critical of the party one supports, lest you drink too much of their kool-aid.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 8, 2017

              Don’t get me wrong Mefro – Barclay broke the law and is rightfully gone.

              MT broke the law and should be gone, but as much for her attitude and sense of entitlement as for her wrongdoing. Especially if some of the “rumours” about her living arrangements are also true.

              As Barry Soper commented – no MP has survived a scandal like hers, and many have gone for far far less.

              If Greenies cannot understand that then they are living up to the very worst stereotypes people have of them, and will shed floating voters like the plague.

              It is the BE angle I don’t get. Barclay is gone, what more is there other than internal politics? What have text messages got to do with anyting other than muckraking and innuendo?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 8, 2017

              *correction. MT broke the law but is above it so does not care. Barclay is only ‘alleged’ to have broken a law so stood down so as not distract the party during an election.

            • Mefrostate

               /  August 8, 2017

              It’s come to light in the past few days that the Prime Minister has deleted the over-400 texts he sent a woman who was secretly recorded and paid-off in an employment dispute. Seems worthy of discussion.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              Why?
              It is standard practice to delete texts, so the deletions are nothing sinister in of themselves. It would have been more unusual had he kept the texts.
              He knew her very well and had worked with her for over 20 years, so there is no red flag there in him sending the texts.
              The woman was allegedly secretly recorded by a back bencher who is under investigation and has stepped down, so has been dealt with.
              She received an employment settlement in an entirely standard manner, albeit at the high end, but this seems to have been accepted by all parties.
              So what in particular deserves “discussion” Mefro?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              The above is a genuine question. As I said, I am not sure what the end game is here as once the original investigation is taken out of it – and it has been – it all seems very mundane.

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD. …consider this. ..when, if ever did you last send someone. ..450 texts?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              Over a 12 month period. Less than 2 texts a day? Is that really excessive.

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD…so you can confirm you have indeed sent someone 450 texts in the last 12 months!Are you in…love…because that is excessive enough for you to find its…unrequited.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              All I’m saying is if people converse by text it would not be difficult to have that many texts.

              If it was an affair, then Winston is muckraking and it’s no-ones business other than Bill, Mary and the other woman.

              Even if it was about the employment dispute – so what? Where’s the scandal?

              It is still just an employment dispute involving a back bench MP.

            • Gezza

               /  August 9, 2017

              Re texts, I think that’s right. I’m still using a prepay 3G mobile & I notice when I type out long texts, when I send it, it reports as 4 or 5 texts being sent. So I think I’ve sent one, that may be being recorded somewhere as 5.

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD…got you this time ;)-‘ Barclay broke the law and is rightfully gone.’

              Barclay is only ‘alleged’ to have broken a law .’

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              No you didn’t Blazer – look at the correction below the post where I say that…

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD…can’t see what you refer to….no correction clarifying Barclay.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              So you missed the bit where I wrote:

              Barclay is only ‘alleged’ to have broken a law so stood down so as not distract the party during an election.

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD….saw that…one of us has a comprehension problem.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              Giving up now – don’t really know what you’re on about TBH.

            • Blazer

               /  August 9, 2017

              @HFD….I think I understand now….at first you..thought Barclay broke the law…then you considered it was alleged that he did so….I guess you’re with Bill….who opined…’who would have thought..it was …criminal’.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 9, 2017

              No charges laid, but police are re-investigating so yes – alleged.
              I’m sure the police will have a decision on whether to prosecute around the end of September…

  16. Gezza

     /  August 8, 2017

    Pelting down outside. Been quite a warm day but heater on. Got me dinner on me lap. Looking forward tonite’s exciting political coverage on 1ewes at 6 👍🏼 ❤️

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 8, 2017

      Yea, cats and dogs in your neighboring electorate.

      • Gezza

         /  August 8, 2017

        Sorry mate, but I blame the Greens ! 😠

    • Gezza

       /  August 8, 2017

      Excellent coverage on all 3 main parties, National, Labour & Greens. Greens the number one item of course. News clip showed Metiria crowing that all nine MP’s are backing her.
      Party won’t eject Graham and Clendon, though, so Shaw’s fallen flat on his face there.
      He’s standing in the background, Metz doing all the talking.
      Co-leader my arse! He’s just a deputy.

      • Pete Kane

         /  August 8, 2017

        It’s 11 MPs. The other 2 haven’t retired yet and are both strongly supportive -I heard them.

        • Gezza

           /  August 8, 2017

          I just had another look on tvnz On Demand. Deputy Leader James Shaw said she “is supported by 12 of the other MPs”, according to Simon – who I don’t think ever knowingly tells lies – so I stand corrected. She is supported by a whole remaining caucus who apparently happy to condone rorting of taxpayers as long as it’s your Party Fuhrer.

          • Gezza

             /  August 8, 2017

            *”by all 12 of the other MPs” (Sorry Simon)

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 8, 2017

            Meany.

            • Gezza

               /  August 8, 2017

              Serious bizzo this, Pete. Can’t be beating around the bush. Back in a minute.

        • Gezza

           /  August 8, 2017

          Yeah. Two mums. Pushed into the bacground. Falling onto place I think. Bit of a worry …

          That girl’s damaged that party mate.

  17. Zedd

     /  August 8, 2017

    I find it fascinating that so many are quick to condemn & are instant experts on all the facts (mostly presented by Right wing media).. last evening on ZB a few people were ‘so expert’ they called her either: Tariana Turia or Maria Tutaia..

    WOW impressive, btw; I dont think either are Co-Leaders or members of the Green Party.. go figure

    As for all the rhetoric about the ‘Greens being in Turmoil OR about to self destruct’.. well, we shall see.. I guess :/

    • Gezza

       /  August 8, 2017

      I’d hardly call 1ewes Right Wing media, Zedd. But yep. Next lot of polls should be interesting. Be a few defections to Labour, I’m expecting.

      • Pete Kane

         /  August 8, 2017

        For Zedd. Do I like the mag cover – I hate it, but small fry. I still, on balance, see Green as the moral vote. And some what reluctantly, they will get mine.

        • Blazer

           /  August 8, 2017

          You are staunch. I just can’t figure out the timing of MT’s revelation. 6 months ago or 6 months hence. ..fine I thought they were trying to get. ..elected. Next polls will be. ..telling.

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 8, 2017

            Maybe a little while to understand the timing Blaz. For now, eye on the prize, a change to something at least resembling, a just Government.

          • Zedd

             /  August 9, 2017

            ‘titiro tenei kaupapanui’.. look at the bigger picture, not just the 5 minute sound bites, by those intent on finding excuses to attack/bring the party down (often lead by Right wing media)

            All the misinfo. about ; ‘The Greens are JUST an environmental party’, is again.. only looking at part of the BIGGER picture.. they have always had an agenda of Environmental & Social JUSTICE; take care of the planet & the people

            Someone once said (paraphrase); ‘The measure of the society is not how you look after those at the top (trickle down capitalism B-S) BUT how you take care of the ‘least of the those’ in society’ (ie the Poorest)

            **unfortunately we are currently dominated by the greedy smug Natz, who dont give a damn, about those at the bottom (who usually dont vote for them)..

            “BUT you cant fool ALL the people all the time”.. SO, roll on 23/9 🙂

    • That sort of level wouldn’t surprise me. If the next poll is around there for the Greens that would be a big crash. They were 13-15% in three polls just over a week ago.

      • Pete Kane

         /  August 8, 2017

        Highly possible Pete. But lets think turnout?

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 8, 2017

          If MT stays on the only turnaround will be round and around the plughole of electoral oblivion.

        • At this stage turnout could favour Labour but not so much the Greens.

          • Pete Kane

             /  August 8, 2017

            Sure, but change. And don’t rule out urban ‘forgotten’ turnout giving a little kick to Greens (students) and Winston (Maori).

            • Ray

               /  August 9, 2017

              And don’t forget that when voters get inside the both even though they said they might vote Green, they don’t!
              Or rather haven’t.
              They might fall under the threshold.

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2017

              @Ray…..inside the Green mind!Bol.

    • I think DPF gave the Green’s support way in a cryptic tweet yesterday. 😉

  18. Zedd

     /  August 9, 2017

    I keep hearing that Aotearoa/NZ is ‘Clean Green 100% Pure’ BUT the reality is; its just an advertising campaign by a pack of B-Sers who obviously hate the only party who REALLY care about these issues, they only care about how fat their wallets are !. enuf sed

    End communication…………………. 😦

    • PDB

       /  August 10, 2017

      The ‘pack of B-Sers’………..otherwise known as Green MP’s………ironic how it was ex Greens co-leader Turei that ‘only cared how fat her wallet was’ and broke the law in the process.

      How sad.