Kennedy Graham on integrity

One of the Green MPs who withdrew from the party list, Kennedy Graham, has done so on principle of not wanting to condone breaking the law.

From RNZ:  Green Party in chaos after two MPs rebel

Speaking exclusively to RNZ News, Kennedy Graham and David Clendon said they would resign at the election if Mrs Turei was still co-leader, because they regard her position as untenable.

The long-serving MPs said her position on benefit fraud meant she was no longer fit to be co-leader.

“We do not believe that lying to a public agency – WINZ, IRD or any other – can ever be condoned,” they said in a joint statement.

Dr Graham – who was ranked eighth on the party’s list – said while he liked and respected Mrs Turei, he could not continue serving under her leadership.

He could not abide Mrs Turei’s comments appearing to condone other people breaking the law, he said.

“If that is party policy, I’m not in that party.”

Dr Graham said he first raised objections the night Mrs Turei made the admission while launching the party’s families’ package.

“The intent is not to damage the party,” Dr Graham told RNZ News. “The intention is… to seek to restore credibility and integrity.”

“It’s more in sorrow than anger. This is not an angry position.”

I’ve been emailed this statement from ex National MP Wayne Mapp (I don’t know what the source is):

I know Kennedy Graham quite well. He would be one of the more respected MP’s from any party. Very idealistic, very committed to the rule of law. Very strong commitment to ethical dealings. In fact his list place (quite high at 8) would have reflected the respect he has within the Greens.

So his decision can not have been easy.

I heard James Shaw on Radio Live this morning.

Truly appalling. He basically said MT had done no wrong. That she should be a minister. That she should without question be the co-leader. That she had was the first person to put poverty of beneficiaries front and centre and that as result they would get huge gains under a new government.

Obviously he has not spoken the Winston. The Green welfare policy with its zero-accountability is DOA.

I guess Shaw considers he has to double down in his support for his co-leader, but I am surely not the only one who heard the interview who was amazed.

The whole Metiria mission issue has been amazing, in particular the clash of integrity.

Talking of integrity, the boot seems to be sinking in:

Meanwhile, a senior party source has hit out at the MPs, telling RNZ they were “disgruntled” and “grandstanding”.

Both Dr Graham and Mr Clendon had done “next to no campaigning” for the Greens so far and were “going to quit anyway,” the source said.

There are reports that both had been asked by the party not to stand this election, but party members supported them being on the party list.

46 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  August 8, 2017

    Makes you wonder if the ‘Young ‘Uns’ are trying to push the ‘oldies’ out?

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

      I think what is being illustrated quite clearly is the divide in the party with two older members focused on environmental issues (no doubt joining the party for that very reason) and the rest of the party’s MP’s who are very much socialists first and environmentalists 2nd. For these people ‘green’ issues are only but a means of pushing through & justifying extreme socialist reform – a worldwide phenomenon. In this case the majority of Green MP’s are happy to support welfare fraud in the case of Turei even though it is obvious to all that she has lied to the general public in saying she only committed the crime due to need not greed.

      Unfortunately those focused primarily on ‘Green’ issues are now in the minority in the NZ Green party hence the call for a truly Green political movement in this country that focuses solely on environmental issues and is willing to work with whoever forms the govt to further those aims.

  2. Blazer

     /  August 8, 2017

    Clusterfuck. ..it is either the Green Party or the Metiria Party.Kennedy has integrity and MT has sent the Greens. ..backwards.

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

      The Turei issue is best summed up when even Blazer can find no defense of it.

      Though I do note he did say ‘nothing to see here, move on’ the other day so full points for trying – have an uptick.

  3. Would you leave your wallet on the table if Metiria came to visit?

    My answer is a NO. I think she’s well demonstrated that theft to enrich herself is quite ok. Nothing about her offending was one off, done out of desperation – it was well planned and showed no care or respect either for the agencies or the citizens who provided for her.

    She didn’t know poverty at all. She sought personal enrichment over the considerable cost to her feckless working neighbours and the burden on her fellow citizens.

    She’s also quite unremoresfeul. Her theft is apparently justified. The system that she cheated gave her sad self an education, accommodation allowance, brought up her child, pocket money allowed her never to work a single day during her deception. She and James P. Shaw remain intransigent and martyred to this theft?

    Disgusting.

    • The contrast with Mr Graham could not be more stark. They say that 10% of a population are opportunist thieves. That’s where the Green vote will be coming from now.

      Messrs Graham and Clendon have no home in the former environmental Party as it’s now established as the Criminal coven.

    • Gezza

       /  August 8, 2017

      I’m taking it as a given she’s put Al right off voting Green now, trav.

      • Can’t speak for big Al, but I’m only glad that two potential Green votes in my immediate family have been well scarpered.

    • Blazer

       /  August 8, 2017

      You are exaggerating but just like MT…keep wringing every last drop out of. ..the story.

    • Zedd

       /  August 8, 2017

      @Trav

      Im guessing you would not spew that CRAP to her face !
      you narrow minded piece of….. 😦

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 8, 2017

        I would leave my wallet on the table, Traveller. My guess is that she would differentiate between stealing from an individual-a crime- and stealing from the faceless Them-entitlement.

        It’s very hard to understand how anyone can’t see that theft and fraud are the same no matter who the victims are-in this case, those whose tax money was ripped off to give someone their chosen lifestyle.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 8, 2017

          Let’s hope that MT will also scarper, traveller,

          • Maybe I was a tad cruel, but she sought to enrich herself personally.

            I wrote this on another thread

            For a crime to occur, three elements must be present, i.e. there must be:

            #an available and suitable target;
            #a motivated offender; and
            #no authority figure to prevent the crime from happening.

            All of these factors existed throughout her offending, nobody held her to account. Not her friends, her family, her partner, her ex partner or his family or the State. She did it because she could get away with it. There is nothing laudable in this.

            • Blazer

               /  August 8, 2017

              Could you live on a. ..benefit. Looks like a bare existence. ..at best.

          • Blazer

            “Could you live on a. ..benefit. Looks like a bare existence. ..at best.”

            Yes I could. It’s a significant advantage being brought up to cut one’s suit according to ones cloth. Due to a prudent upbringing and my conservative nature I can easily make do when required. It’s interesting that most rich people get there, in part, because they manage outgoings as well as they do creating an income. No rocket science there. Happy to feast on a few cents worth of dried lentils with veges and herbs from garden if I have to.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 9, 2017

              Me, too. I know one billionaire and he was one of the ones who remained one after the last crash…he began life in an ordinary middle-class professional family. He spends money, he’s not mean, but he doesn’t squander it. His car in the US is always a swoon-faint one, but when he’s here, he drives a Mini around Auckland.

              I lived for some time after being widowed at the end of 2015 on $209 a week. So I do know what it’s like.

              I make do, too, and it’s lucky that I like to reuse and recycle and live with retro things. My birdbath is a piece of antique Alfred Meakin (free to a good home at the local opshop) on a table made by me from someone’s discarded plank and three of the table legs that have already been recycled several times (three is more stable on uneven ground)

              My great discovery was the clearance racks at Farmers-an $80 dress was $15 and a $169 handbag was half the clearance price-now $25.

        • Blazer

           /  August 8, 2017

          People here do not agree. ..they condone Sir Douglas Graham. ..keeping his. ..knighthood.

  4. Hate to say it but Graham and the other bloke have earned my respect while the remainder are aiding and abetting a confessed criminal.
    Melons

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 8, 2017

      Don’t you think that Kennedy Graham’s name sounds as if it’s the wrong way around ? I know someone with the surname Graham and a first-name that is usually a surname, and I am not alone in mentally reversing the names.

  5. PDB

     /  August 8, 2017

    Newshub opinion: “Thanks to Metiria Turei, the Green Party is in the midst of an identity crisis.

    It’s a crisis that cuts to the heart of what the party stands for, and what its priorities are. 

    Just as importantly, it cuts to the heart of its name: The Greens.

    The party doesn’t look like the strong, unwavering voice for the environment anymore.
    It is not focussed on forests and rivers, or climate change, or conservation underfunding, or waste and pollution reduction.

    It is now a party focussed on fighting for the rights of beneficiaries. It is focussed on legitimising benefit fraud, boosting welfare payments, and removing welfare obligations.”

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/lloyd-burr-the-greens-have-lost-their-way.html#.WYgsPW2cJ-Y.twitter

  6. Does anyone else find it more than ironic that the so-called “party of principle” is going to expel two MP’s who spoke out on a matter of principle?

    Lloyd Burr (above) is bang on; a majority of the Green Party’s MP’s have indeed “lost their way”. #IStandWithKenAndDave

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

      It is confirmed – Turei is bigger than the party.

  7. If MT just resigned as coleader at the first whiff of an investigation things wouldve gone so much better……. Id never vote for em, but ACT is bang on about a leadership change…………

    • I agree Shane. And even if Turei has an attack of conscience now, it is too late; the damage has been done.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 8, 2017

        I have yet to hear anyone of any political persuasion or race who doesn’t think that her actions were dishonest and the result of greed. not need.

        • PDB

           /  August 8, 2017

          Turei said today that for every single person making a negative comment to her over her actions she receives 10 people backing her position……….sounds like a very large bubble she moves within.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 8, 2017

            She might be surprised if she could hear some of the remarks that I have heard-not one person so far has thought that she was justified.

        • Zedd

           /  August 8, 2017

          … & you know this because…. you heard it in the right-wing media.. there is no doubt that she ‘misled WINZ’ to gain some financial advantage, but where is the EVIDENCE it was ‘out of greed’ rather than necessity ?

          btw; I hear ‘many rumors’ that there maybe at least one MP, ‘on the other side’ with similar ‘skeletons in their closets ?… hiding in dark corners, hoping the msm dont find out, before 23/9 ! :/

          • Gezza

             /  August 8, 2017

            That’d be just soo big a disaster if it’s true. Word on the net is it might be Paula. Nothing concrete yet, just tittle tattle tho. What have you heard?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 8, 2017

            Rubbish. These are people talking about it on buses and in the street.

            I would say that it’s obvious that greed not need was the motivation. She said that she felt entitled to have some fun after the two elections in the 90s !!!

            • PDB

               /  August 8, 2017

              Newshub: “Earlier on Tuesday Ms Turei said she campaigned for a satirical political party while at university and living on a benefit, but said she did not seek paid work at the time. 

              She told RNZ she was standing for political parties at university while receiving the benefit, and said “I also had fun, like other people do”.

              “Ms Turei told RNZ that for those who say she should have been looking for work instead of campaigning: “They’re entitled to their views. They’re entitled to make their judgement”. She said beneficiaries are entitled to a decent life and a decent amount of money.”

              A whole lot of entitlement there.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 8, 2017

              The problem with the entitlement to a decent amount of money (which I would guess means the same as working people have) is that it means that others are obliged to provide this.

              I have ongoing health problems, so live on WINZ money-but I do NOT think that I am entitled to the same as the average wage-I have enough to live on-I am not hungry or in rags or living in candlelight. (the young woman who was in the paper doing this probably spent at least as much on the candles as she would have on electric light, anyway)

            • PDB

               /  August 8, 2017

              Paula Bennett is often compared to Turei but the big difference is that Bennett is grateful for what the benefit provided for her, Turei isn’t.

            • Blazer

               /  August 8, 2017

              @PDB…so grateful that she ensured that beneficiaries these days can’t access the same help…she recieved.$950 shoes…..a symbol of success!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 8, 2017

              The shoes were a joke-look the story up and you will see that . She did not receive them. There was a picture shown of a drawing of some impossibly high-heeled shoes, and Paula Bennett implied that she had bought them using (Steven Joyce’s ?) credit card. IT WAS A JOKE. sigh……

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 8, 2017

              There’s a lot of “truths” like that in Blazers world Kitty. Like the fact Hitler was actually a huge fan of the Jews don’t you know…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 9, 2017

              Oh-that must be why some of my distant relations (if one can have relations before one is born) disappeared-they couldn’t face Europe without Hitler and went who knows where.

  8. Ray

     /  August 8, 2017

    Rumours are just that Zedd though I notice this isn’t your first time to try to peddle them.
    If they were true can we expect the left sisterhood to applauded her efforts to stick it to the man?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 8, 2017

      ‘Enter rumour, painted full of tongues.’ (Shakespeare)

      Yes, even in those days….

    • PDB

       /  August 8, 2017

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