Open Forum – Thursday

10 August 2017

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44 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  August 10, 2017

    It’s pelting down in North Welly again – for the third day. What is National bloody doing about Wellington’s weather – that’s what I want to know! 😠

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 10, 2017

      It’s the parents’ fault that it’s like that.

      It’ brilliant sunshine here.after one of those days which seem to be steady rain all day yesterday. …

      • Gezza

         /  August 10, 2017

        Well, who says there’s no point complaining to the government? The sun’s out now! 🌤 👍🏼

        • Gezza

           /  August 10, 2017

          It’s already bloody raining again! Must’ve been just another typical bloody temporary sticking plaster job by the National government. 😡

    • Pete Kane

       /  August 10, 2017

      Kelburn’s good. It’s Green thing G.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  August 10, 2017

    All that”Fire and Fury”can have a bad effect on your greens Mr Trump,POTUS just saying…

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 10, 2017

    In Defense of the Google Manifesto
    Well, here are the details, though I presume they won’t make Zunger and like-minded writers happy: Prenatal and pubertal organizational hormones have an effect on individual behavior with “good evidence that exposure to high levels of androgens during prenatal development results in masculinization of activity and occupational interests, sexual orientation, and some spatial abilities.” Girls exposed to high testosterone levels in the womb have more male-typical career interests. Men are more interested in things, women in people. Newborn male and female children, (scientists use newborns to rebut the objection that children are socialized to behave in certain patterns) show a distinction in what they find interesting. Male infants exhibit a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical-mobile while female infants show a stronger interest in the face (the proxy for “interest” here being the time of fixed gaze). Men and women in 55 different countries show clustered patterns in the big five personality traits — with women reporting higher levels of neuroticism, extraversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness than men do across most nations.

    These sex differences are also seen in nonhuman primates in play and grooming, and object manipulation patterns also emerge in rhesus monkeys, with toy preference paralleling those of human children. Sex differences in mate preferences and status-seeking have also been studied heavily across cultures. To add to my position, here are the opinions of four scientists — agreeing with nearly every one of Damore’s claims.
    https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/08/in-defense-of-the-google-manifesto/

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 10, 2017

      Taught a CoSc final honours year class for 10 years. Had one female student – excellent, Asian.

      Show me all the unemployed women software engineers and I’ll believe there is workplace discrimination.

  4. sorethumb

     /  August 10, 2017

    Yesterday on WO someone argued that as MT was listed as living at her child’s fathers address it was incumbent on her to prove otherwise. Good thinking.

    Here is another idea. When we accept refugees we have to also make separate accommodation for state housing, rather than introduce them into the housing stock and ignore people who are bumped off the list. Also when numbers are expressed it should also factor chain migration.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 10, 2017

      The hoary old chestnut about refugees bumping other people off lists is not borne out by facts.

  5. Corky

     /  August 10, 2017

    Oh, hell. Two AI’s started talking to each other in their own rudimentary lanuauge unknown to humans.

    The thing is…no one knows how advanced algorithms do what they do.And that’s a problem people.

    In the fictional Terminator films Skynet began communicating and becoming self aware independent of human input.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 10, 2017

      Was that ‘Bob and Alice’ whose conversation was more or less meaningless ? It was on the news.Surely they can only ‘talk’ if someone has programmed them to, they can’t have original thoughts.

      • Gezza

         /  August 10, 2017

        Neither can he, imo.

      • Corky

         /  August 10, 2017

        ‘The thing is…no one knows how advanced algorithms do what they do. And that’s a problem, people.”

        They started talking to themselves without programming as such.

        Meaningless to you, not them( we think…see above)

        You are naive like Mark Zuckerberg .

        I’m not. I side with Tesla’s founder

        https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/elon-musk-billion-dollar-crusade-to-stop-ai-space-x

        • Gezza

           /  August 10, 2017

          A Terminator will be reprogrammed to come & save us from skynet. I had vision of it. Arnie was in it.

        • Gezza

           /  August 10, 2017

          Quite an interesting article, actually. Bloody long. Joking aside – I agree. Keeping a close & wary eye on where AI is going & what it might be unexpectedly capable of is an absolute must, for the reason you state, imo.

  6. I see that the Health Select Committee has just issued their full/final report into the Petition of Rose Renton & >17k who signed, requesting better access to Medicinal Cannabis products

    sorry I dont know how to put the link here (PDF file)

    BUT maybe of Interest ? 🙂

      • cheers Gezza

        I downloaded it myself & have commented on all the excuses I read in it.. to maintain effective ‘NO REAL serious reforms’ by this Govt.

        eg We can’t allow ‘leaf cannabis’ (natural herb) because they cant ensure the content or compounds or that it is does not have ‘contaminants’.. SO, why is it that; Canada, USA, much EU, Israel, Australia etc. manage to do so ?.
        I wrote to Mr Dunne (previously) & suggested he look into ‘Bedrocan’ (a known ‘brand’/strain, grown in clean room, green houses).. about as close as is ever possible.
        His EA replied ‘The minister is aware of this, BUT has nothing further to say’ (paraphrased) ** Blinkers on & ear plugs in !!

  7. Corky

     /  August 10, 2017

    I bet Taranaki Maori will go crazy over iron sand mining.

    • Blazer

       /  August 10, 2017

      is that another renewable resource,that no one owns?

    • Gezza

       /  August 10, 2017

      Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of them aren’t happy either.
      Just a couple a Pakeha environmentalists on 1ewes so far Corks.

    • Corky

       /  August 10, 2017

      Update: Maori go crazy and will appeal.

      • Gezza

         /  August 11, 2017

        I had a quick look at a stuff article about it, Corks. A previous application was rejected by the EPA because of objections to the environmental impacts & damage expected to the fishery & local ecology which local iwi & others had made. Seems the EPA this time round was split 50/50 & the chairperson exercised a casting vote in favour, so iwi plan to appeal the decision to the Courts. It didn’t say anything about anyone going crazy. Maybe you misread or misheard something?

  8. Corky

     /  August 10, 2017

    Yes, Mikey is moderating the election debates. Special thanks to the Lodge.
    Mikey needs to double his dose of Turmeric before going onstage.

    • Gezza

       /  August 10, 2017

      Be better off getting me to moderate them in my opinion.

      • Gezza

         /  August 10, 2017

        Nah – Second thoughts – Corin Dann. Are you taking the mickey, Corks – or are they really getting that dork to moderate election debates?

    • Blazer

       /  August 10, 2017

  9. lurcher1948

     /  August 10, 2017

    https://youtu.be/4DRlRFFiS-Y Gezza might like this
    Enjoy

    • Gezza

       /  August 10, 2017

      Seen it Lurch. Two of them apparently gave their thighs to Kitty. She might be going to give them back.

  10. Gezza

     /  August 10, 2017

    Glenn Campbell
    Prime Rocks 8.30 pm tonight

    • PDB

       /  August 10, 2017

      Cheers G – after your comment about him yesterday you wont be watching?

      • Gezza

         /  August 10, 2017

        No I probably will. According to 1ewes at 6 last nite, he was a really good guitarist & session muso, & played with luminaries like the Beach Boys, and others.

        • Blazer

           /  August 10, 2017

          Quite surprised a muso like yourself takes a lead from what 1 news has to say about him.

          • Gezza

             /  August 10, 2017

            Eh? Why?

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2017

              I thought you could listen to his music and decide yourself.

            • Gezza

               /  August 10, 2017

              Well, I just found his solo career hits & image a bit clean cut, syrupy & tame, tbh. But you know me – happy to reconsider in the light of new information or with the passage of time & benefit of hindsight. Quite a lot of bands & artists I didn’t go for I have learned to appreciate more as I’ve got older & wiser.

            • PDB

               /  August 10, 2017

              It’s his alzheimer’s documentary – very good doco, a little sad on his last tour as his memory leaves him but amazing earlier in the tour when he had shocking memory but could still sing songs using a prompter and play from instinct. The music was the last thing to leave him so ingrained in him it was.

            • PDB

               /  August 10, 2017

              Check out that bit of guitar I posted on yesterdays open forum.

        • I’m loving the doco. He’s an awesome songwriter, guitarist and singer.

          • Thought it was so cool Paul McCartney was rocking away to Rhinestone.

            • Gezza

               /  August 10, 2017

              Excruciatingly poignant. I sing & play to people with dementia once a month, including dad. Most of them still get touched by music & songs from my youth because they had kids who played them all the time & they know them too. But they don’t even know I did a concert there 10 minutes after I finish.

              I know most of them quite well now. Some of them have passed away. Some of them never get visitors. Some of them talk away to themselves living in totally imaginary worlds.

              A Italian woman raves on in one such world quite frequently oblivious to reality, but she calms down if you give her her soft toy dog. And then she suddenly sometimes bursts into song singing Italian Opera in perfect tune & the most amazing voice.

              A bad-tempered, swearing, Austrian who needs for his own safety to be seat-belted into his lazyboy armchair remembers being a boy when the Nazis took over, absolutely hates me, & lets me know that on every visit. The others just tell him to “shut up Oskar!”

              But I like going there. It feels like a wonderfully crazy family & the people who take care of them, in my opinion, are worth every cent they get paid, and more!

  11. Good on you Gezza. I was so touched by the Glenn Campbell doco. There’s no doubt that keeping his performance life alive slowed the progression of this horrid disease. It’s also done a good deal to aid in the understanding of Alzheimer’s.

    Music and the love of it is a binding thread of our expression of human emotion. We don’t need to respond to the same music to appreciate it’s uniting nature.