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13 August 2017

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  1. The reality of Europe’s migrant crisis – Douglas Murray. Spectator

    “So here’s an interesting thing. Footage so striking that even the BBC has run with it. This is the film of a migrant boat landing on a beach in the south of Spain. In recent years for a whole variety of reasons, Spain has avoided the worst of the migrant crisis. Perhaps that’s why these images have broken through where the daily images from Italy this summer have not.

    Anyway, it’s hard to think of a more vivid encapsulation of the ongoing suicide of our continent than this one. If you believe Angela Merkel, the European Commission and most of our political class, the people storming that Spanish beach are doctors, engineers and physicists fleeing the terrible civil war in Morocco, and just desperate to lend their skills to our continent.

    The reality (as I recently described at book length) is somewhat different from that dream. These young men from a range of sub-Saharan African countries have come to Europe for a hundred different reasons and they will stay in Europe. Most will try to move northwards. And along the way the only employment most of them will find will be working with illegal gangs made up of people from their countries of origin.

    Meanwhile, those people on the beach in Spain can happily stand for all the rest of Europe. They want to have a nice time, the sun is still shining and it’s all just a bit of a bummer that another boatload of people would illegally break into your continent while you’re working on your tan. But someone else will deal with them, won’t they? Except they won’t. It’s a myth, like the idea that it doesn’t matter because it’s just one more boat and the continent can easily take in this boat. Like the ones before it. And the endless boats to come.

    Elsewhere the Italian authorities have been making more discoveries about the collusion between the smuggler’s networks and some of the NGOs operating in the Mediterranean. All just another story in the strange suicide of our continent.

    My own view is that the effects of a borderless continent (borderless at its external borders – where anyone can just get on a boat and arrive – as well as borderless within) are already being felt. A lot of the public know this, but there just aren’t enough people in power who want to admit to it, let alone tackle it. And so for a while to come our politicians will continue to try to find a way around the consequences of their evasions, half-truths and untruths. They will continue to witter on about ‘diversity’, for instance as though we just need more and more of the stuff and that it is just an endless good in itself.

    On which note, whatever else you may say about the latest gang of child-rapists to have been sentenced in the UK (this time in Newcastle) nobody could claim that it was boringly mono-cultural. The Newcastle rape-gang included men not just from Pakistan and Bangladesh but also from Iraq, India, Iran and Turkey. Which is a fine demonstration of the diversity which our continent has welcomed in and a model of the integration which our society is trying to make possible.”

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  2. Blazer

     /  August 13, 2017

    the big question is why are they fleeing their homelands….?

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  3. sorethumb

     /  August 13, 2017

    Metiria Turie isn’t the first to do a bit of image enhancement. Even Vice Chancellors do it:

    IN AUCKLAN D’S LONG Bay Park, Paul Spoonley notices a large man aggressively confronting a park ranger. As we drive past, the man picks up and throws the ranger’s bike.
    “Just stop over here,” says Spoonley. He opens his door and half gets out of the car.
    The man sees Spoonley looking and approaches him, yelling as he walks: “You alright mate? You all good? You all good buddy?”
    “You OK?” asks Spoonley calmly.
    “Yeah. He just won’t f***ing leave me alone, eh?”
    The man notices me: “You all good?” he says, crouching down, peering through the window.
    “Yes,” I say.
    “Yeah, well he won’t leave me alone. This is my car here. He won’t leave me alone. I’m telling him to leave me alone.”
    Things are tense, uncomfortable, possibly dangerous.
    “Okay,” Spoonley says, closing his door gently, “let’s get out of here.”
    The man bangs on the window three or four times: “You all good?” he yells again. “You all good?”
    A little further up the road, Spoonley asks me to stop so he can tell the other park rangers about the man.
    “Sorry about doing that to you,” he says later. “I worked in a freezing works for five years and I was a slaughterman. I worked in a gang of seven, and five of them were Mongrel Mob members. I am very much a middle—class Pakeha but those sorts of guys, I spent a lot of my younger life with.
    “We cannot afford to socially and economically exclude these communities,” he says. “That sort of public anger, the ‘What are you looking at?’ sort of thing. There are social costs to exclusion.”

    https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/our-new-society/

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    • sorethumb

       /  August 13, 2017

      Of course he may have worked at the works as a student but in those days every student got a job over Christmas.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 13, 2017

        What a pointless story.

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        • sorethumb

           /  August 13, 2017

          But there is a point to the pointless story. Check out his CV?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 13, 2017

            No, thank you-I have better things to do.

            If it’s a pointless story, how can it have a point ?

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  August 13, 2017

              There is a point, and the point is that the comment above is part of a series of attacks by “sorethumb” on people who she/he considers to be lefty, liberal academics. She/he just forgot to explain that to us.

  4. Corky

     /  August 13, 2017

    Liberal media are piling into Trump. It’s his fault. They have about as much understanding of a situation as does Kitty.

    http://www.tmz.com/2017/08/12/alt-right-rally-riots-charlottesville-state-of-emergency/

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  5. sorethumb

     /  August 13, 2017

    Is Immigration Killing

    NZ Markets?

    – JBWere urges clients to move around 25% of their assets out of the NZ market.

    The study quotes two key areas of concern:

    “The local stock market is currently trading at about 20 times earnings, making it one of the most expensive in the world. They are trading at a 25 per cent premium over Australian and global stocks” it said.

    “The house price-to-income ratio had been on a tear since 2010 and was now the highest in the OECD”

    We have been suggesting a move offshore for many months now as you know from our regular communications. Following the analysis of many, many data sources from both NZ and around the world over this time, we are relieved this advice is now gaining wider attention.

    “New Zealand’s economy is in a “productivity recession” and relies on migrant-fuelled population growth to expand while stocks are overvalued and investors should cut their holdings by about a quarter, says JBWere”

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  6. Blazer

     /  August 13, 2017

    yes the Rockstar economy is smoke and…mirrors.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  August 13, 2017

    Donald trump the acting POTUS acting thats all he does sowed the seeds of hate and his follower’s, nazis, KKK,and white extremists responded.The orange POTUS said nothing his wife said much and 20 people run down one killedf and hate filled bigots post on right wing blogs in New Zealand,here even…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/white-nationalist-charlottesville-virginia_us_598e3fa8e4b0909642972007?section=us_politics

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  August 13, 2017

    David duke said he’s carrying out the promise the nazi and hate filled white extremists made to the POTUS donald tump the president who supports the KKK.Donald your supporter killed a 32 yo Female in YOUR NAME you orange freak…

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  9. sorethumb

     /  August 13, 2017

    Trump paints a bleak picture of the world in Warsaw, wondering whether the West ‘has the will to survive’
    “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive,” Trump continued. “Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilisation in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?”
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-speech-poland-warsaw-western-civilization-2017-7?r=US&IR=T
    I’m with the POTUS on that

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    • Corky

       /  August 13, 2017

      Pity Gezza isn’t with you on this. He understands the problem, but doesn’t see how a Muslim ban would help. Perhaps you could explain in simple terms why a ban would be advantageous.

      Oh, and maybe a word about voting for that racist Maori Party.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 13, 2017

        Pity Corky isn’t capable of understanding that I would be very happy to see a ban on Muslim immigration to New Zealand however I think one is very unlikely to be proposed & actually implemented by any party for anumber of practical reasons. Even Trump hasn’t done it.

        I might just add in case you’re not aware of this that, personally, I think anybody who doesn’t vote in this election because no party is banning Muslim immigration is quite probably an obsessive fruit loop, which might even be indicated by their perhaps being apparently irrationally obsessed by other things as well.

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        • sorethumb

           /  August 13, 2017

          I don’t mind a few Muslims and a few this and that but I think we should have people from countries we have an affinity with. Celebrating diversity is the opposite of that, it makes us like a dog walking on hind legs. It wouldn’t matter if there were real advantages, such as access to warm beaches, but not if they are poor and there are a zillion of them.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 13, 2017

            How many is a zillion ?

            Where did your family sail from ?

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      • Corky

         /  August 13, 2017

        So Gezza has no problem with a Muslim ban. But its doubtful any political party will implement one. But he will still vote for one of these parties who let people into our country, some whom may eventually turn on us.

        Oh, Man…and I’m a fruit loop lol!!!

        As for Kitty…away with the fairies as usual. Apparently I don’ know the difference between Islam and Muslims and religion and culture….and now immigration.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 14, 2017

        Corky you seem to me to have simply lost the plot. You now seem to be saying you won’t vote because all political parties will still allow immigration at some level. You also seem to be failing to note that National & possibly New Zealand First have no plans to increase the number of Syrian refugees (which is fine by me – Muslim refugees should go to Muslim countries, imo) while Labour & The Greens if elected will increase the numbers by double or more.

        How your deciding not to vote, & thus joining the other vote-bludgers who leave it up to other Kiwis to determine how many representatives of the different parties eventually wind up becoming part of the coalitions which govern us, is going to make any contribution at all to the political process, is frankly beyond me, and beyond probably anybody who intends to exercise their democratic right to influence that process by casting a vote for what they see as the best (or at least, the least-worst) political party option.

        You and thumbsta and yaw mates over at Wailoil ranting on blogs that few voters take any notice of isn’t going to have any effect on the issue of immigration generally, and Muslim immigration in particular, at all. I reckon you should either *get some guts*, or get some sense, & vote, bro. If you can’t get what you want, you might as well try & get the closest to it that you can.

        My voting for the Maori Party (if indeed I end up doing that) is going to be for the reason that I feel them in coalition is the best available way of lifting Maori achievement, recognition & participation in the economy & society through education & skills acquisition, reducing their chronic high levels of poor health & domestic violence & gang membership & associations, & ultimately becoming more self-reliant & less reliant on taxpayer funded state welfare assistance.

        That includes by developing their own successful whanau or hapu-based businesspeople & commercial enterprises, and lawyers, accountants, tradies, investors, social workers, teachers, police officers, doctors & nurses. If special partnership schools are one way of helping them get there, I’m all for giving it a go. The state school system I still support has failed. Time to give different approaches a go.

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  10. Corky

     /  August 13, 2017

    This should be interesting. Get those argy Maoris around the camp fire and explain how Maori and Islam combined can take out Whitey and all other undesirable Infidels.

    And when other Maori try explaining to Muslim Maori they are being taken for a ride, that will just reinforce the message of jihad…and the concept of Uncle Toms.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/controversial-imams-mosque-introduces-mana-islam/

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  11. sorethumb

     /  August 13, 2017

    Multiculturalism: A Failed Policy
    Are all cultures equal? Yes, according to Multiculturalism.
    Gaad Saad Evolutionary Psychologist.
    A Lebanese Jew living in Canada.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201210/multiculturalism-failed-policy

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  August 13, 2017

    Casual posters on local right wing blogs possable national voters, well probably…

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  August 13, 2017

    Billys struggling, rebooting the same old same old youth policy, if it dosnt work once and Jacindas starting to kick butt roll the same failure out again,
    “NATIONAL we are into recycled policies” when under pressure

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  14. sorethumb

     /  August 13, 2017

    SOCIAL DEMOCRACY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY: A REALIST ALTERNATIVE TO THE MODERN LEFT
    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.nz/

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