Trump’s response to Charlottesville troubles

Donald Trump’s reaction to the problems in Charlottesville has been controversial.

He had tweeted:

We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!

But he also spoke (from one of his gold clubs where he is on holiday):

 “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”

This was controversial because it didn’t name what the main offenders where.

NBC:  Trump Takes Heat for Blaming Charlottesville Violence on ‘Many Sides’

President Donald Trump sparked a backlash Saturday when he suggested “many sides” were to blame for the deadly violence at a white nationalist rally in downtown Charlottesville, Virginia.

Democrats criticized the president for failing to single out white nationalists, and several Republicans issued statements mentioning white nationalism or white supremacists. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said on Twitter: “We should call evil by its name.”

He added that hate and division in the country must stop, but that it is not linked to his presidency because it has “been going on for a long, long time.”

“No matter our color, creed, religion, our political party, we are all Americans first,” he said, adding that he’d like for his administration to “study” why such violence is occurring. He didn’t take questions from reporters.

Asked for clarification, a White House official later said: “The President was condemning hatred, bigotry and violence from all sources and all sides. There was violence between protesters and counter protesters today.”

And his very temporary ex-communications director:

Al this reaction seemed to lead to a more specific condemnation.

Fox News: Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ other extremists behind deadly Virginia rallies

President Trump specifically condemns “white supremacists” and other extremist groups as forces behind the deadly protests and counter-protests this weekend in Virginia, a White House spokesperson said Sunday.

“The president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred. Of course that includes white supremacists, KKK Neo-Nazi and all extremist groups. He called for national unity and bringing all Americans together,” the spokesperson said from Trump’s private golf club in Bedminster, N.J.

Right wing protesters were reported as saluting while chanting ‘Heil Trump’.

Trump will perhaps learn from this that what a president says can matter. He can’t be blamed for individual acts of violence and terrorism, but inflammatory rhetoric, both past and recent, can have an influence on public discourse and behaviour.

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  1. artcroft

     /  August 14, 2017

    “Wouldn’t it be nice if we could get along with the white supremacists. I’m not saying I will get along with David Duke, but wouldn’t it be nice if we could have a better relationship with the Neo Nazis. Wouldn’t that be great folks.”

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      We have moved on since Rosa Parks and moved on beyond the oppressed being the oppressed.
      Humans are ethnocentric by nature (as suggested by experiments with oxytocin), which means that all ethnic groups have a tendency towards in-group out-group. The Marxist dogma is that power must be involved, but this is based on the doctrine of the blank slate.
      That is why Trump refers to “all sides”. He is more clued up than 90% of social scientists in US universities.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 14, 2017

        You keep repeating the words oxytocin and ethnocentric like a mantra.

        • Corky

           /  August 14, 2017

          I use oxytocin to mediate my rough edges when deal with people I want to impress.
          Works like a charm. It creates a social vibe. Good stuff. Some folk think it doesn’t work. That hasn’t been my experience.

          http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/275795.php

          • Corky

             /  August 14, 2017

            *dealing*

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 14, 2017

            You must know people who are very easily impressed, in that case. Using a word like that as often as you do can make it sound as if you have a small vocabulary and have memorised a few words that you think will make you sound as if you know more than you do.

            • Gezza

               /  August 14, 2017

              lol.

            • Corky

               /  August 14, 2017

              Oh, dear, Kitty. Have you tried it? Probably not..You wouldn’t waste your money because you know best.

              Using a word like that as often as you …? eh!!

              Do I sense someone who can’t compete with someone who actually knows what they are talking about?

              To quote, Gezza…LOL

              ps- my product is called Liquid Trust.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              Not Liqurd Trust, as you call it elsewhere ?

              No, you don’t sense someone like that-I suspect that my vocabulary is somewhat larger than yours.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              Oh, have you changed its name from Liqurd Trust ?

              It’s good that you are open about its being a waste of money, not many people admit that their product is that.

            • Corky

               /  August 14, 2017

              Probably not a better vocabulary. You may have better grammar. But a three week intensive would have me at your level. Where you dip out is you’ll never have my knowledge… you could Google for a 100 years and still come up short.

              Liquid Trust…one brand name for oxytocin ( if that’s what you mean)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              I would be extremely surprised if your vocabulary was greater than mine; I have an MA Hons in English Literature and have learned French, Latin. German, Spanish, Italian and Anglo-Saxon. How many languages do you read /

              Google is a very superficial way to learn, it’s like looking something up in an encyclopaedia like Pears-all right for a small amount of basic information.

              There are thousands of books in this house and I have read them all. There are two floor-to-ceiling bookcases of biographies alone . How many books do you have ?

              What do pruinate, anatiferous, sphragistic and ptarmic mean, and what is their etymological derivation ?

              Who was executed by drowning in a butt of malmsey, and who died of a surfeit of lampreys ? What is bimetallism ?

            • Gezza

               /  August 14, 2017

              I had a quick look Kitty. It seems to be a product that makes unattractive people feel more attractive when they look in the mirror.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              Corky must use his own product in large quantities, then. It may produce oxyopy in the users so that they see something that others do not.

              It can’t be a great success or he wouldn’t need to try to get free advertising on YNZ. Liquid Dust would be a better name as dust would be more effective, one imagines.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              Neither of us needs it, then.

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          Ad hominem. It is a key point of my argument.
          http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/

  2. sorethumb

     /  August 14, 2017

    Trump’s refusal to blame one side was on the mark, Trump recognises what is going on and doesn’t agree with it.
    1. we have seen a long march through our institutions.This was inspired by Gramsci and it includes the idea that the human mind is a blank state where in the state can write a script. It has continued on as post modernism, post colonialism etc.
    2. Globalists want to create a borderless world and based on the above have simplified the interactions of natural resistance in host populations as racism.
    3. The ultra wealthy benefit while having the ability to thrive in a borderless world.

    • Many may see it as ” on the mark”, but it’s hardly win friends and it’s most definitely not influence people. Trump is not changing the narrative around himself. He needs to do this. It is simply not enough to talk to the converted and the choir when the rumble of the congregation has reached a consensus of hatred, justified or not, towards him.

      It’s not that hard to do.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 14, 2017

        It is simply not enough to talk to the converted and the choir when the rumble of the congregation has reached a consensus of hatred, justified or not, towards him.
        ………..
        How do you figure the lack of a conservative voice came about in US Social Science
        and humanities departments in US universities? Was it through argument or exclusion?

        • I absolutely get all that sorethumb. I abhor the manner in which the identity liberal voice dominates academia, social media and life in general. Only the slightest moderation of his behaviour is needed.

  3. Joe Bloggs

     /  August 14, 2017

    Racism is not an opinion. A belief that white people are “victims” of “racism” and are somehow “oppressed” is the worst type of magical thinking. It’s a false equivalence and the last refuge for apologists for white supremacism. It’s a yearning for a mythical past where black and brown people were completely obedient to whites, women hadn’t been seduced by feminism, and gays and lesbians were locked in the closet.

    These are the forces of oppression: exploitation, marginalization, powerlessness, cultural imperialism, and violence. Whites as a group have never suffered from any of these forces.

    Whites have NEVER been exploited because of their skin colour. They’ve never had work taken away from them, or been forced to work for less money because of skin colour.

    Whites have NEVER been marginalised because of their skin colour. Whiteness is taken for granted as the colour of “real New Zealand”.

    Whites have NEVER been powerless at the hands of people of another colour. Whites control every major social, political, and economic system in New Zealand.

    Whites have NEVER been subjected to cultural imperialism (not even as a result of Treaty claims). The “racial Other” is non-white, the racial norm is white.

    Whites have NEVER been systematically victimised for their skin colour.

    No, white supremacy is a way for lower-class whites to feel superior to people of other colours and a way for upper-class whites to grow their wealth and power.

    Claims that white people are somehow oppressed are the deviant symptoms of bigoted white victimology displayed by the sorts of people who are drawn to trump and his madness like flies to shit. His election has radicalised angry white people, people who describe themselves as “alt-right” but who should be called what they really are – white supremacists – and their talk about “cherishing our history” is fascist dog-whistling.

    This is not Amerikkka. The cancer of white nationalist ideology has no place in our society, and this blog is worse off for giving a voice to radicalising talk of white oppression/supremacy.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 14, 2017

      Well said

      • Corky

         /  August 14, 2017

        Amerikkka?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 14, 2017

          It’s nonsense to say that people with white skin have never been oppressed-He .Joe Bloggs is using sweeping generalisations.Has he ever heard of the history of Ireland and Scotland ? Russia ? Germany ?

          If he thinks that racism only goes one way, I would suggest that he looks up what is only available to Maori students at university.

          • sorethumb

             /  August 14, 2017

            Not to mention slavery by Moors and their black slave master.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  August 14, 2017

            White oppressing whites, kitty.

            And enough of the gender labelling eh. Do I call you a ‘he’?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              It’s a fair assumption that someone called Joe is a man, just as someone called Joan is likely to be a woman. If I called myself Tom Cat, I would expect people to think that I was a man.

              Sweeping generalisations are not really worth refuting, as people who make them don’t want to listen to reasoned argument, it seems.

            • Gezza

               /  August 14, 2017

              Fair point Kitters. Female Joes usualy call themselves Jo so they don’t get mistaken for Joes.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  August 14, 2017

              That’s the whole issue Kitty and Sir G.

              It shouldn’t matter what gender I identify with, nor what my sexual preferences are, nor my race, nor country of origin, nor financial status… yet we all run to judge others based on those sorts of superficialities… and whether we like it or not the norm for comparison is middle-class, white, male, and cisgender, and if you don’t measure up then you’re somehow a lesser person.

              Enough already. Screw the white supremacists and everything they stand for.

            • Gezza

               /  August 14, 2017

              It doesn’t matter what gender you are, Joe. If I called myself Geri most posters are going to assume I’m female. With your logic why doesn’t Chelsea Manning still call herself Bradley? Stop bitching about your gender being assumed to be male by some posters. It’s generally irrelevant to the issue under discussion except when you want to make an issue out of it for whatever silly reason you choose to.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      A belief that white people are “victims” of “racism” and are somehow “oppressed” is the worst type of magical thinking.
      ……………
      Strawman
      The issue is that minorities are being allowed into majority white countries to the extent that whites will be a minority. This advantages the minorities but induces feelings of invasion in the whites.
      On the one hand you have an internationalist left signing “kumbaya” at the other you have working class people living the reality.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 14, 2017

        The same sort of thing is happening in NZ where every other city is all of a sudden, short of a Chinese garden.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 14, 2017

          Don’t be absurd.

          Being white is not a nationality, nor is being Asian.

          • sorethumb

             /  August 14, 2017

            That is quibbling over definitions.
            Take New Zealand. We were 95% Europen in 1956.
            Parr (2000) writes “[T]he views of New Zealanders are not conducive to the population of New Zealanders becoming more diversified globally.”

            From localism to globalism? New Zealand Sociology, 15(2), 304-. 335

            • phantom snowflake

               /  August 14, 2017

              …and 0% European prior to about 1800

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              Europe is a continent, not a country and European is not a race.

            • Corky

               /  August 14, 2017

              What is a European?

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 14, 2017

        “… to the extent that whites will be a minority…”

        So the truth comes out. You’re scared of losing your privilege.

    • Missy

       /  August 15, 2017

      “Whites have NEVER been exploited because of their skin colour. They’ve never had work taken away from them, or been forced to work for less money because of skin colour.

      Whites have NEVER been marginalised because of their skin colour. Whiteness is taken for granted as the colour of “real New Zealand”.

      Whites have NEVER been powerless at the hands of people of another colour. Whites control every major social, political, and economic system in New Zealand.
      ..

      Whites have NEVER been systematically victimised for their skin colour.”

      Tell that to the young white girls in Rochdale, Newcastle, Rotherham, Oxford…. etc

      They were all exploited because they were white, they were all marginalised because they were white, they were powerless at the hands of men of South Asian descent (another colour), they were all systematically victimised because they were white.

  4. Corky

     /  August 14, 2017

    The day politicians, media and minorities get stuck into violence purported to be in the name of justice will be the day I get stuck into Trump.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/1-suspect-large-3-arrested-alleged-baton-rouge-plot-kill-n608231

  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  August 14, 2017

    A car is driven at speed into a group of people, then reverses at speed to escape. One person is left dead, and 19 are injured.

    video/1

    So when do we stop calling this thing the “Charlotteville troubles” and start giving it the same name that’s used for Muslims who drive into crowds – a premeditated terrorist attack.

    • Corky

       /  August 14, 2017

      . ”To make America great again requires everybody to buy into the cause. America needs a Great President, anybody out there.”

      Well, that negates what you have written. Because you are asking the impossible. The only thing that can help` people is a booming economy.

      https://www.businesslive.co.za/rdm/world/2017-02-28-why-the-us-economy-is-about-to-boom/

      • Corky

         /  August 14, 2017

        OOPS…that should be one floor down.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 14, 2017

        Lying comment…

        …and fake opinion. The only thing that can help people is other people.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 14, 2017

        and there is some evidence that throughout the OECD population increase has lowered productivity.

    • interesting guy that @Hahibies

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      Except that in the Muslim attacks they are random. In this case you had a protest around the removal of a Robert E Lee Statue and Antifida counter protesters showed up to attack Unite Right. That sort of thing happens at party’s where an angry guest has a fight and comes back to mow people down.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 14, 2017

        That’s a pathetic justification for racism and violence: “not terrorism, just an angry guest”

        You’re wasted here. You should be writing for Storm Front.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 14, 2017

          This was not a party, the killer was not a guest, my impression was that the White Supremacists did the attacking…..of course it was terrorism. Terrorism is not confined to one group, Corky.

          The plural of party is parties, not party’s. Party’s is the possessive of party.

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  August 14, 2017

            Of course it wasn’t a party, and the killer knew exactly what he was doing.

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          That’s a pathetic justification for racism and violence: “not terrorism, just an angry guest”
          ……….
          I wasn’t justifying it, it was an “own goal”, But it wasn’t indiscriminate terrorism in so far as he attacked the counter protesters who were not themselves peaceful. These days terrorism is out of the blue attacking, innocent people. Mass murder is not necessarily terrorism.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  August 14, 2017

            Yeah, not terrorism when they’re white…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2017

              It was terrorism in this case-the woman killed and those injured had done nothing but hold different views to the killer. It was as much terrorism as any other. Terrorists are reasonably often natives of the place they practice their terrorism in.

              Mass murder is terrorism when it’s done for this sort of reason.

              I imagine that this was ‘out of the blue’-nobody seemed to expect it, and the victims were innocent.

  6. Patzcuaro

     /  August 14, 2017

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11903648

    Some excerpts:

    “One of the difficult but primary duties of the modern presidency is to speak for the nation in times of tragedy.”

    “Not every president does this equally well. But none have been incapable. Until Donald Trump.”

    “There is no denying that Trump has used dehumanization – refugees are “animals,” Mexican migrants are “rapists,” Muslims are threats – as a political tool. And there is no denying that hateful political rhetoric can give permission for prejudice. “It acts as a psychological lubricant,” says David Livingstone Smith, “dissolving our inhibitions and inflaming destructive passions. As such, it empowers us to perform acts that would, under normal circumstances, be unthinkable.”
    If great words can heal and inspire, base words can corrupt. Trump has been delivering the poison of prejudice in small but increasing doses. In Charlottesville, the effect became fully evident. And the president had no intention of decisively repudiating his work.”

    Trump, by demonising non white minorities, has emboldened white Americans that have been left behind economically in rural areas and the rust belt. These white poor Americans see Trump getting away with picking on these minorities and say why can’t we do the same.

    When Obama was President, Trump was a the forefront of questioning Obama’s right to be President over his place of birth. With no proof he sort to undermine Obama’s legitimacy and in doing so encourage a division in America. Now Trump is President, he has inherited the divided country he was part of encouraging.

    He has made little attempt to heal these divisions. It was easy to say we will build a wall much hard to find the money to do. Easy to say I’ll ban Muslims but hard to enact. Easy to manufacture caps (probably in China) saying “Make America Great Again”, but that requires inspired leadership which Trump is short off. Shallow rhetoric is cheap, concrete deeds are hard to achieve and require leadership. To make America great again requires everybody to buy into the cause. America needs a Great President, anybody out there.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      “There is no denying that Trump has used dehumanization – refugees are “animals,” Mexican migrants are “rapists,” Muslims are threats – as a political tool.
      …………..
      That is the Trump turning point. People sat up and listened: “he is our president, not president of the world (like Obummer)”

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 14, 2017

        People reacted in the same way to Hitler when he used the same tactics, to Mao and Pol Pot and Amin when they did…..

  7. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2017

    Trumps supporters”deplorable’s”

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      I thought the speech was over the top: “we are children of the sun. we don’t need anyone; they need us”. Having said that I felt a sense of natavistic elation until I realised that in the real world we live in a multicultural society where we are forced to celebrate diversity. The thing is migrants have poured into their country (native Americans aside).

  8. Corky

     /  August 14, 2017

    No media reports about the White Power protesters being outnumbered by counter protesters.

    No mention of counter protesters throwing stuff at the White Power protesters.

    If you have a Google account you can view this: ( clip locked because of violence).

    The KKK Gets Beat Up in Anaheim

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      Nazis and KKK are an own goal and used to by pass any legitimate concerns.
      1. Minorities are pouring into the West.
      2. There is no quid pro quo.
      3. Multiculturalism is a hegemonic failure.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  August 14, 2017

        Ahhh…. “Legitimate Concerns.” Your continuing use of the language of the far-right is revealing. Jogs my memory, though, of an article by Laurie Penny; currently top of the heap of young British writers. Best shit I’ve read this year.

        “To demand “strength” from an oppressed person is to excuse their oppression, to label them weak for voicing anything that looks like dissent. That’s what we see when young people organizing for change are labelled “generation snowflake.” Dissent is called outrage, whining, crying victim, virtue signaling—unless it’s angry white neoreactionaries bravely fighting back against basic decency, in which case it’s called “legitimate concerns.” The concerns of women and minorities can never be legitimate—still less their pain.”

        https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/meltdown-phantom-snowflakes-penny

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          Great so which of the above points did you not agree with?
          1. Minorities are pouring into the West.
          2. There is no quid pro quo.
          3. Multiculturalism is a hegemonic failure.

          The analysis of global migration patterns by Czajka and de Haas (2014) shows that while an absolute number of international migrants has increased, the world population grew even faster, as a consequence, the proportion of global migrants has actually decreased from 3.1% of the world population in 1960 to 2.7% in 2000. Their data also show that in the Americas and the Pacific, the numbers of immigrants have increased but the diversity of the categories has not. These findings are echoed in recent migration reports that highlight marked differences between the developed North, where migrants constitute 10.8% of the population and developing regions where they constitute only 1.6% and where some countries are neither an important source nor destination for migration flows. They also show that in 2013, 51% of the world’s migrants were living in ten countries: USA, Russian Federation, Germany, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, France, Canada, Australia, and Spain (UN DESA, 2013; WMR, 2015). The concentration of migrants in a “shrinking pool of prime destination countries” (p. 315), many of them small countries in Western Europe, led Czajka and de Haas’ (2014) to conclude that “the idea that immigration has become more diverse may partly reveal a Eurocentric worldview” (p. 314).
          https://www.academia.edu/21163221/Superdiversity_and_why_it_isnt_Reflections_on_terminological_innovation_and_academic_branding_2016_

          • phantom snowflake

             /  August 14, 2017

            4.”Western Civilization” is so vastly superior to all others that have ever existed or might exist in the future that it, alone, will last forever!

            Seriously, though, in my opinion all the talk of preserving western civilization is merely white supremacism in drag.

            • sorethumb

               /  August 14, 2017

              Seriously, though, in my opinion all the talk of preserving western civilization is merely white supremacism in drag.
              ………..
              Your welcome to leave.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  August 14, 2017

              Thanks for the permission but your lot won’t be in charge for long; which may be something we agree on.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  August 14, 2017

              “Your welcome to leave.” Hey wait! Did you just conflate New Zealand with western civilization? I’m not prepared to concede that Aotearoa, at the lowest point of the Polynesian Triangle, = western civilization.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2017

    So many closet racists post as normal people,posting tit for tat posts to justify the swastika and wearing the peaked white sheet….just saying

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      Ad hominem
      Where did I justify the swastika and wearing the peaked white sheet? I called that an “own goal”

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 14, 2017

        Your justification for the swastika oozes from every word you write. You don’t need a peaked white sheet – trump’s excused you from needing to wear one… just sayin’

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          False Continuum. Logical fallacy.

          The idea that because there is no definitive demarcation line between two extremes, that the distinction between the extremes is not real or meaningful: There is a fuzzy line between cults and religion, therefore they are really the same thing.

          Just sayin…

  10. sorethumb

     /  August 14, 2017

    While diversity does not necessarily increase inter-ethnic hatred,

    “… inhabitants of diverse communities tend to withdraw from collective life, to distrust their neighbours, regardless of the colour of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television. Note that this pattern encompasses attitudes and behavior, bridging and bonding social capital, public and private connections. Diversity, at least in the short run, seems to bring out the turtle in all of us.” (Putnam 2007: 150–151).
    The findings are also true regardless of poverty, economic inequality, or the affluence of a community (Putnam 2007: 153, 157). Even though some differences exist, they are generally true even with respect to men and women, liberal and conservative people, whites and non-white people, and even young people and older generations (Putnam 2007: 153–154).

    Increasing diversity per se always seems to have the same negative effect (Putnam 2007: 153).
    Most notably, the negative effects of diversity are very clear and significant amongst liberals as well (Putnam 2007: 154), despite the widespread myth that liberals love diversity. 
    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.co.nz/2016/09/robert-putnam-on-negative-effects-of.html

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2017

      Wrong because?

      • Gezza

         /  August 14, 2017

        Who knows. But Jesus you’ve made it all as boring as batshit.

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          Sorry

        • sorethumb

           /  August 14, 2017

          So what’s your feeling on Robert E Lees statue?

          • Gezza

             /  August 14, 2017

            I hope it’s constantly shat on by pigeons.

          • Corky

             /  August 14, 2017

            I heard Claudia Orange on the radio. No matter how many times she was challenged with a more balanced view on history, she kept coming back to Maori in an always positive light.

            It’s called revisionist history. Leave RELees statue alone. For better or worse, he was part of American history.

  11. One Trump saying what her father should have said.

    • Corky

       /  August 14, 2017

      Given we don’t know (?) who started the riot, I think Trumps condemnation was balanced.

      • Ivanka’s was appropriate. Balance is not something her father is known for.

        • Corky

           /  August 14, 2017

          No, but his statement was. That’s what’s pissing people off. My view will change if I see evidence of white protestors starting the ruckus.

        • Missy

           /  August 15, 2017

          When there are reports that BLM and AntiFa turned up and incited violence, any comment should be balanced condemning both sides until ALL the evidence is collected and the truth is known. Media reports based on their own agenda.

          To only condemn one side in this type of situation gives licence to the other side to continue with their extremists acts.

          This trouble was caused by extremists at both ends of the spectrum.

          This guy has it right – and he, like Trump, talks about condemning both sides.

    • Gezza

       /  August 14, 2017

      From a comment made by a Charlottesville resident on Aljaz tv this afternoon, apparently these neo nazis & far right white supremacists have been turning up in the city every month for the past 3 months or so.

  12. Missy

     /  August 15, 2017

    Who would have thought that Corbyn and Trump would have so much in common…

    both have a cult like following
    both have violent and aggressive followers
    both have racists and bigots who promote violence following them
    and both have been criticised for showing balance when talking about political violence – Trump in Charlottesville (condemning violence on all sides) and Corbyn in Venezuela (condemning violence on all sides)

    Wonder how the Corbyn worshipping left will like that!