Hipkins’ claims over dirty collusion doubted

Chris Hipkins has already put new Labaour leader in an awkward position over his asking questions on citizenship on behalf of the Australian Labor party. Ardern has publicly reprimanded Hipkins.

This has lead to a political spat with the Austrian Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop, slamming Labour here for (allegedly) trying to interfere with the Australian government. The coalition that Bishop is a part of has a bare 1 seat majority, and if Barnaby Joyce is forced to resign over a ridiculous constitution technicality a by-election would make things difficult there.

Ardern has snapped back strongly, alleging that Bishop had made false accusations. So far Ardern has appeared to deal with things pretty well – much better than Bishop handled the pronunciation of Ardern’s name.

But there could be more problems for Ardern, for NZ Labour, and especially for Hipkins.

Journalists don’t believe his denial he knew what was behind the request from Australia ask questions here about Joyce’s citizenship.

Hipkins appears to want us to believe he asked questions on behalf of Australian Labour acquaintances without knowing it had anything to do with Joyce.

It is questionable enough that Hipkins tried to stir up dirt against a bare majority government. It is very difficult to believe he would do this without knowing what was behind it.

 

I don’t think this story is done yet.

RNZ:  Barnaby Joyce renounces NZ citizenship as spat builds

Australia’s Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says he’s been told New Zealand has accepted his request to renounce his citizenship, as trans-Tasman tension over the situation builds.

Australian media inquiries led to the dual citizenship of Mr Joyce being revealed, but Labour MP Chris Hipkins had also asked similar questions to the Internal Affairs Minister, following discussions with a friend linked to the Australian Labor Party.

Mr Hipkins’ involvement has now led to a diplomatic spat between the Australian government and the New Zealand Labour Party.

In federal parliament in Canberra this afternoon, Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull accused the Australian Labor Party and its New Zealand counterpart of collusion.

“No one’s ever doubted the loyalty of the Deputy Prime Minister to Australia, but what about the leader of the opposition, conspiring with the Labour Party of New Zealand to undermine the government of Australia?”

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern said she had reprimanded her MP, but Australia’s Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said this afternoon it would be difficult to trust a Labour-led New Zealand government.

Speaking to reporters this afternoon, Mrs Bishop said she was disappointed.

“New Zealand is facing an election, should there be a change of government I would find it very hard to build trust with those involved in allegations designed to undermine the government of Australia.”

She said Australian Labor leader Bill Shorten used a foreign political party to raise questions which were deliberately designed to undermine the Australian government.

Ms Ardern came out swinging in response, saying in a statement it was “highly regrettable” that Ms Bishop had “chosen to make false claims about the New Zealand Labour Party”.

“I have been utterly transparent about this situation. I stand by my statements this morning that I knew absolutely nothing about the Barnaby Joyce case until it broke in the media yesterday afternoon,” Ms Ardern said.

She said she had no knowledge that Mr Hipkins had lodged his question.

Ms Ardern said Mr Hipkins exercised a lack of judgement.

“We were asked a question about a point of law, but as I’ve said, regardless of the circumstances it was not appropriate for us to be involved in any circumstances.”

Ardern has clearly distanced herself from Hipkins and from what he did.

Mr Hipkins insisted his friend did not ask him to lodge the question, he had no idea it was related to Mr Joyce, and he was just interested in the topic.

“Had I known that was where things were going to land up, I wouldn’t have got involved in it.

I’m sure he wouldn’t have, but it’s too late to not do it.

“There has been absolutely no collusion between the New Zealand Labour Party and the Australian Labor Party when it comes to the situation the Australian deputy Prime Minister has found himself in.”

But the question of collusion between a NZ Labour MP and someone involved in the Australian Labor Party is unlikely to be left at this.

Labour’s opponents are not letting it rest either.

51 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  August 15, 2017

    Well if Jacinda needs a useful idiot, she knows where to find one.

    If the Turnbull Administration survives Chippy may find he never get to be a minister even if Labour win in a landslide. And rightly so. What a moron.

    • Corky

       /  August 15, 2017

      Oh, that Julie Bishop, Arty. What a women. One of them strong bristle-backed Aussie Shelia’s.
      l
      Although I’m a great fan of yours I doubt you would have time to draw before your knackers were dangling from a hitching post.

      Jacinda needs to be careful what she wishes for.

      • artcroft

         /  August 15, 2017

        Yeah, I wouldn’t cross her to be honest.

        • Gezza

           /  August 15, 2017

          Well, that seems to have been the problem. Seems better to be dishonest with her & not cross her, rather be honest & cross her. But I think that’s a failing of hers rather than yours arty.

      • Blazer

         /  August 15, 2017

        ‘“New Zealand Minister Peter Dunne has since confirmed it was questions by Fairfax journalists, and not the question on notice, which led to the outing of Mr Joyce as a New Zealand citizen,” Senator Wong said’

        • Spin, spin, spin…. don’t ya get dizzy Bol?

          • Blazer

             /  August 16, 2017

            it all comes out..in the wash ..Dave.

          • Gezza

             /  August 16, 2017

            I’m just not getting this. If the Australian Parliament is full of people who shouldn’t be there – & someone points that out – how is this their fault?

    • duperez

       /  August 15, 2017

      Yep, I’m putting this up there with crime of the century.
      Looking on the positive side of it, you say Ardern’s learned where to find a useful idiot if she needs one. She clearly has no need to search for useless ones, they are announcing themselves daily, in abundance. 😊

  2. Corky

     /  August 15, 2017

    All you have to do is wait and let Labour shoot themselves in the feet. Special thanks to the lodge and and work they did behind the scenes.

    I listened to JA’s press conference and was impressed by the way she presented. However, I have trouble believing NZ Labour was just an innocent victim caught up in Hipkins machinations. I think either JA or Hipkins or both are telling porkies.

    Lucky for Labour many of their new support will be none the wiser about these events. They don’t watch the news,

    Unfortunately this good news for National is tainted by the fact National and Act are in the political wilderness regarding Pike River after all other parties banded together and promised a manned re-entry should they come to power.

    I said at the time Pike River was the biggest political mistake National have made. I still believe that.

  3. Gezza

     /  August 15, 2017

    Julie Bishop & other Australians must think it’s a crime to be a NZ citizen, the way they’re carrying on. Oi oi oi, indeed.

    • Missy

       /  August 16, 2017

      G, not quite a crime, but not allowed for MPs and Senators. Big they represent Australia in parliament they can only have Australian citizenship.

      • Gezza

         /  August 16, 2017

        Big need for them to run an immediate programme to check every Parliamentarian & political candidate for any rogue additional citizenships they might unknowingly have then, so that any in that situation can make a big thing about insulting that country by loudly & publicly renouncing that citizenship, & waving their renunciation papers about, & shouting “Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie, oi, oi, oi” – and then Julie won’t have to go on tv & put on the bitchface & everyone will know they’re not actually all a bunch of arrogant arseholes over there.

        • Missy

           /  August 17, 2017

          I believe they are looking into a number of representatives that they believe may have dual citizenship. They could of course solve the problem the way NZ Labour Govt did and just change the law and make it retrospective.

          G, I don’t appreciate the comment about Julie Bishop you made. The term ‘bitchface’ is usually only used in relation to women in an insulting and sexist way, it is below you – that is more Blazer’s territory. She doesn’t always come across well, but from people I know who work for DFAT in Aus, whilst some don’t like her (mainly because she is very frugal and stopped their business class travel), most have a lot of respect for her as a Minister. She is (from all accounts) very good at her job.

          What she said re: A NZ Labour Govt was a message I believe – don’t interfere in Australian domestic politics, and she has a point.

      • Gezza

         /  August 16, 2017

        I wonder if any of them are Poms as well as Ozzers – or do you actually have to apply for UK citizenship if you weren’t born in the UK but a parent was?

        • Missy

           /  August 17, 2017

          Not sure, but I think you do have to apply for UK citizenship if I remember correctly. I used to work with a Brit who had NZ born children, and I think he had to make an application via the High Commission in Wellington to get them citizenship. Also, I think it used to be (may have changed), that UK citizenship only comes via the father – could be wrong on that though.

      • Missy

         /  August 17, 2017

        Not sure what Big was meant to be, typing on my phone while getting my haircut leads to incomprehensible sentences! :/

    • artcroft

       /  August 15, 2017

      Skippy doesn’t seem to be following Jacinda on Twitter because he never got that tweet before jumping into Aussie politics.

      • Gezza

         /  August 15, 2017

        That’s true in a way. Aussie politics is a sewer few people should jump into without serious & very careful consideration. On the other hand, if you let them wipe their arses with you, they might end up giving you their highest award.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 15, 2017

          It was aunty Helen who presided over the rule changes that screwed NZ’ers heading to Aus.
          Don’t think she got fiddly squat from them.
          Your mood does seem a little off… all ok?

          • Gezza

             /  August 15, 2017

            I don’t think she popped over & thanked them – are you under the impression they were her idea HFD?

            My moods fine thanks. Grin’s a bit wider than normal actually.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 15, 2017

              Helen agreed to the new rules stopping benefits and curtailing rights and turned down alternative options.
              JK didn’t get them reversed but he was hardly a cheerleader.
              You seem to be blaming the latter for decisions made or caused by the former.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  August 15, 2017

              Helen agreed to the new rules stopping benefits and curtailing rights and turned down alternative options.
              JK didn’t get them reversed but he was hardly a cheerleader.
              You seem to be blaming the latter for decisions made or caused by the former.

              And I’m glad to hear you’re in fine fettle!

            • Gezza

               /  August 15, 2017

              No I’m just noting that our *mates* over the ditch aren’t our mates. Their mob gets treated a lot better here than our mob there.

      • Blazer

         /  August 15, 2017

        wheres the conclusive evidence that the right scream for when they face any scrutiny?

  4. Kitty Catkin

     /  August 15, 2017

    The question could have been answered in seconds by Google, no need to put in an ‘official’ request.

    • Corky

       /  August 15, 2017

      Gezza seems to be in a foul mood tonight, Kitty. He’s usually upbeat and making fun of the Right.

      I guess he will need to ride this one out. I’m sure Bill will balls up somewhere.

    • Gezza

       /  August 15, 2017

      Corky’s oxytocin does seem to have reduced his cramps Kitty.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 15, 2017

        If oxytocin really does make people seem trustworthy, one would expect a sudden rise in fraud and cons as the criminals smother themselves with it and everyone trusts them-and hands over the money.

        • Corky

           /  August 16, 2017

          ”One would expect a sudden rise in fraud and cons as the criminals smother themselves with it and everyone trusts .’

          1- oxytocin doesn’t work like that. It doesn’t negate your morality filter. You can if you worked hard at it manipulate said filter to varying degrees.

          2- 99.9999% of people will die never having heard of oxytocin. Just like you if I hadn’t written on the topic.

          • Gezza

             /  August 16, 2017

            ‘Love hormone’ oxytocin carries unexpected side effect
            https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140122112626.htm

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 16, 2017

            I had heard of it, Amazon sells it and it has had very mixed reviews.

            It is marketed as a pheromone that makes the wearer have an aura of trustworthiness. At no time did I say that it made them trustworthy-dream on-but if the wearer still has to work hard at their persona, the oxytocin is surely a waste of money.

            If only one person in 100,000 has heard of it, it can’t be very successful.

            • Gezza

               /  August 16, 2017

              It certainly doesn’t seem to work over the internet.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 16, 2017

              No, that is very odd. Is there a reason for that ?

              Perhaps if people SAID that they had sprayed it on. the reader would know and….

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 16, 2017

              Cortex asinus est.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 16, 2017

              Dear Mr G Ezza

              I am wearing oxytocin so I am very trustworthy.My name is Mr Con Mannelo and I work for Nigerian Bank of Commerce. I have access to an estate of $3,974,000 but need an overseas contact with a bank account in order to…..

            • Corky

               /  August 16, 2017

              Dear Cantenna.

              I can see my oxytocin hasn’t werked on you. Probably because you are a caat. Even then you are still too smart for me…and maybe too smart for your own good.

              Regards

              Bulawhasu Ingamolu ( Bob)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 17, 2017

              Dear Bulawasu (Bull)

              My name’s catkin, not Cabbage.

              Regards

              Kitty Catkin

  5. Ray

     /  August 15, 2017

    Wasn’t there a major scandal in the UK about money for questions in their Parliament.
    Chippy might be for the high jump.

    • Gezza

       /  August 15, 2017

      Shit. Are you suggesting he took money to ask those questions? What’ve you got on him in that respect?

    • Blazer

       /  August 15, 2017

      do behave …don’t you think lobbyists pay via donations.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 16, 2017

        No, I don’t, no MP is likely to take that risk & anyone who asks them to take a bribe would probably be in for a very nasty surprise. The bribe would have to be so enormous to make it worth the MP/Minister/Pm’s while that it’s hard to imagine who would be that stupid.

        You don’t seem to know how lobbying works. Any suggestion of bribery would soon be picked up.

        • Blazer

           /  August 16, 2017

          semantics my dear.Saome here would have us believe that individuals donate $100,000 plus sums to a political party…because they…’like’ them.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 16, 2017

            Maybe they do. Are you so mean-spirited that you never give anything without expecting something in return ?

            One of NZ’s richest men donates generously to a political party and doesn’t expect to have favours done in exchange.

            You seem to forget that NZ is the world’s least corrupt country in that respect.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 16, 2017

              And yes, I do know who it is and which party it is.

            • Blazer

               /  August 16, 2017

              oh altruism…..in this day and age.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 17, 2017

              There is at least as much altruism now as there ever was, I think, although you seem unfamiliar with the concept.

              You forget also that a donation to a party is not one to an individual. If anyone gave one in to any party the hope of something in exchange, I fear that they would be disappointed.

              I wonder how much one would have to donate to the Greens in the expectation of making them change their minds on open-ended welfare.

  6. The issue here for Jacinda is she now looks NOT in control of her caucus. It looks like a senior figure in the shadow cabinet doesn’t know what he is doing. It looks like Jacinda has a problem as she can’t trust her key players to be disciplined and competent.

    National will use those little impressions to drive home the inexperience of the new LOTO….

    First slippery surface encountered following a very smooth coup which disenfranchised the Labour rank and file and the major players the Unions… Political coups are supported if the new leader is competent and go forward… any weakness appearing will be exploit by opponents and sow uncertainty in the coup supporters..