Trump’s ugliness – Charlottesville and after

What happened in Charlottesville last weekend looked ugly. Protesters congregated from around the country, many of them representing ugly and extreme views. Ugliness and extremes were on display. Counter protesters stood up against this, and there was no doubt some ugliness from some of them too, but the focus was rightly on the ugly right.

Many looked to President Trump for some appropriate condemnation. He disappointed for two days. This may have been in part because the ugly right have championed Trump, and in Charlottesville they cheered Trump.

Eventually Trump read a statement condemning the ugly right. It sounded like a carefully constructed statement, delivered without conviction.

The next day Trump reverted to type in an impromptu media conference. He swung back to defending his adoring ugly supporters and spreading the blame. He disappointed many people across the political spectrum. He was cheered by David Duke, ex leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

One disturbing aspect was Trump’s use of terminology repeated often online by those promoting white ‘supremacy’ and trashing anyone deemed different in race or religion.

Trump stirred up an ugliness that has long been in America. This ugliness has voted for him and applauded him, and he has effectively applauded this ugliness back.

RCP: A Defiant Trump’s Combative Homecoming

Donald Trump returned to his famed Fifth Avenue home this week, outwardly unchanged by the past seven months at the White House or the weight of the presidency.

Appearing at Trump Tower for the first time since taking the oath of office, the president rejected calls from within his own party and administration to reset his tone in the wake of a violent white supremacist march in Charlottesville, Va., and instead dug in his heels in vintage fashion.

During an impromptu press conference in the marbled lobby of his Manhattan property, flanked by members of his Cabinet, Trump defended his original statement on the protests—re-reading it from a paper he pulled from his blazer pocket–and criticized the “alt-left” and “very, very violent” groups that ran counter-demonstrations in Virginia. The president condemned neo-Nazis who organized the weekend protest, but argued there were some “very fine people” who came to the rally simply to protest the city’s planned removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

The president’s frustration with the bipartisan political pressure he faced on his response to Charlottesville was palpable. Earlier in the day, Trump lambasted chief executives who resigned from his manufacturing council in protest of the president’s handling of the weekend’s events. The previous evening, he blamed the media for the way in which his more pointed Monday comments were received. And so, the president dismissed the advice and counsel of his staff who aimed to refocus the nation’s attention on the agenda, and instead embraced his comfort with combat and impulse. New chief of staff John Kelly stood nearby, arms folded and head down.

Trump blasted the press for not covering the counter-protesters, a minority of whom represented the anti-fascist “Antifa” group that has engaged in violence and vandalism, in the same way as the white nationalist organizers. “I only tell you this, there are two sides to a story,” Trump told reporters. “I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides.”

And with that, the president erased any goodwill he established with both liberal and conservative critics with his statement from the White House the previous day, in which he singled out the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and white supremacists after coming under fire for initially arguing there were “many sides” of violence in Charlottesville.

Concerns about Trump’s pandering to the ugly right have been expressed from elsewhere on the right.

While the president had previously echoed some of the grievances of the GOP base, his unplanned press conference garnered little support. Several Republican lawmakers quickly came out to out to counter Trump’s remarks. “White supremacyis repulsive,” said House Speaker Paul Ryan. “There can be no moral ambiguity.”

Kansas’ Jerry Moran, a red state senator who once chaired the party committee focused on getting Republicans elected to the Senate, called out the president specifically. “No one — especially POTUS — should ever tolerate” white supremacy, bigotry and racism.

In a series of tweets, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio raised concerns the president’s statements would further fuel hate groups. “Mr. President, you can’t allow #WhiteSupremacists to share only part of blame,” he wrote. “The #WhiteSupremacy groups will see being assigned only 50% of blame as a win.”

But pointedly…

David Duke, former KKK grand wizard, applauded the president’s remarks.

The ugly right may be all Trump has left to applaud him.

NY Daily News: Both Bush Presidents, McConnell horrified by Trump’s Charlottesville response: ‘There are no good neo-Nazis’ 

The only two living Republican ex-Presidents joined a growing chorus of conservatives criticizing President Trump’s Charlottesville response and denouncing extremism.

“America must always reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and hatred in all forms,” former Presidents George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush said in a joint statement Wednesday.

In offering prayers for the Virginia city, the politicians invoked its most “prominent citizen,” Thomas Jefferson, quoting his words in the Declaration of Independence: “We are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights.”

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — responding to Trump defending Charlottesville white nationalist protesters as “fine people” — emphasized “there are no good neo-Nazis.”

NY Post: Trump’s horrifying ‘take three’ on Charlottesville

On Tuesday afternoon, we learned yet again that the president of the United States is against neo-Nazis, which is nice. They’re “very rough,” he said at an impromptu Trump Tower press conference — by which he likely meant some of the people he saw on TV in Charlottesville this past Saturday had beards and leather jackets and swastika tattoos and were overweight.

The night before, by contrast, Trump said there had been some “very good people” rallying with “a permit” by a statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville. Maybe he thought so because the photographs we all saw showed clean-cut young men in Polo shirts and Dockers.

The rest of us also saw them engaging in Nazi salutes and carrying torches.

Those images seem to have eluded the president.

Trump did not note that they were not locals with aesthetic concerns but rather had been summoned from all over the country under the slogan “Unite the Right.”

The ad promoting the “Unite the Right” rally, which ran on far-right websites all week, did not even mention the statue. It was designed to evoke a fascist poster with birds similar to the Nazi eagle in the sky over the marchers and Confederate flags taking the place of swastikas.

It invited people to join speakers like Mike Enoch, who hosts a podcast called “The Daily Shoah.” And Augustus Invictus, an alt-right figure who once said, “I have prophesied for years that I was born for a Great War; that if I did not witness the coming of the Second American Civil War I would begin it myself.” And Christopher Cantwell, who calls himself a “fascist,” along with Johnny Monoxide, who just labels himself “fashy.” And Michael Hill, an ex-professor who said, in 2015, “Never underestimate the perfidy of the organized Jew.” And Matt Heimbach, who says only 27,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

The march’s own organizer, Jason Kessler, described the view of those who wanted to move the statue thus: “You don’t give a damn about white people. You people are implementing policies which are displacing us in our home countries, and we will not be allowed to survive.”

As David French writes, “When Trump carves [the alt-right] away from the Nazis and distinguishes them from the neo-Confederates, he’s doing exactly what they want. He’s making them respectable. He’s making them different.”

This has been ugly from America’s right, and it has been ugly from Trump.

Even Fox sees this.

WSJ:  Trump Loses Corporate America

There is no point in taking brickbats for a president who does not deliver.

Mr. Trump’s administration is turning out not to be the administration they were hoping for, though probably the one they realistically expected.

Especially he has not made headway on corporate taxes—the issue that bought him whatever benefit of the doubt America’s CEO class was willing to give him.

Now a handful are fleeing his advisory council because he didn’t say the right words over Charlottesville, or didn’t say them quickly enough. This is big news because the media can’t get enough Trump. He insists on making himself the lightning rod. That’s one problem.

If the president or a scraggly someone close to him in the West Wing is soft on white supremacists because he thinks these groups are a vital bloc, this would be the miscalculation of the century. Their adherents couldn’t swing a race for dogcatcher. It is precisely the left’s fantasy of the right that these people constitute a useful electoral base.

None of the departing CEOs likely believe Mr. Trump is a white supremacist or Nazi sympathizer. They just see no upside to being associated with him.

The Charlottesville protests, which included an attack by vehicle that killed one person and injured many others (similar looking attacks in Europe have been called terrorism), has looked ugly, and Trump’s response has been uneven and increasingly ugly.

It looks like Trump is becoming toxic to Republicans, and toxic to corporate America.

And with Trump remaining defiant it is likely to get uglier.

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  1. Trump had problems attracting appointees willing to work for him as soon as he was elected. It is getting increasingly difficult as he is seen as increasingly toxic.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 17, 2017

      The expression that he puts on-closed eyes, chin disdainfully raised, tossing his head-is totally inappropriate.

      My neighbour and I do that to each other occasionally to indicate that we have taken great offens-but we do it to be facetious. It’s not a dignified thing for a president to do seriously..

      • Gezza

         /  August 17, 2017

        Trump’s problem is that he is incapable of embodying the nation, as most Presidents have tried to do, for better or worse, on assuming office. He sees every question or challenge – national or international – from the torally egocentric viewpoint of a vain & selfish young child, takes it all personally, & lashes out in fits of pique, even over petty stuff any other rational person would just ignore as being beneath the dignity of a response or a mention.

        That makes it impossible for him to ever be anything but petty & divisive. He feeds the msm, then complains about them. They can keep it up for longer than he can, with his personality.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 17, 2017

          I had to laugh when I saw him doing what C & I do when we are being pouty & childish ‘Not talking to you-can’t see you….’ and realised that he was NOT trying to be funny….but it’s also very alarming that an adult would do this act in seriousness.

  2. What if Western media covered America’s white tribalism the same way it covers other nations?

    The international community is yet again sounding the alarm on ethnic violence in the United States under the new regime of President Trump. The latest flash point occurred this past weekend when the former Confederate stronghold of Charlottesville descended into chaos following rallies of white supremacist groups protesting the removal of statues celebrating leaders of the defeated Confederate states. The chaos turned deadly when Heather Heyer, a member of the white ethnic majority who attended the rally as a counterprotester, was killed when a man with neo-Nazi sympathies allegedly drove his car into a crowd.

    Trump, a former reality television host, beauty pageant organizer and businessman, rose to political prominence by publicly questioning the citizenship of the United States’ first black president, Barack Obama. Since his election, Trump has targeted Muslims, refugees, Mexicans and the media. He has also advocated for police brutality. These tactics have appealed to and emboldened white ethno-nationalist groups and domestic terrorist organizations.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/08/16/what-if-western-media-covered-americas-white-tribalism-the-same-way-it-covers-other-nations/?utm_term=.78e16c49e960

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 17, 2017

    But his last speech is very good (if the media would let us hear it).
    Q: Do you think what you call the alt left is the same as neo-Nazis?

    Trump: All of those people — i’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee.

    You take a look at some of the groups and you see and you would know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases, you are not. Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop? You take a look. The night before. They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.
    https://www.vox.com/2017/8/15/16154028/trump-press-conference-transcript-charlottesville

    • “Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.”

      But many of them were, and some quite extreme. Trump is trying to minimise the ugliness, and he is effectively giving it credence and approval. As you are. Ugly.

      • Brown

         /  August 17, 2017

        That’s just nasty and childish Pete. Both sides have an ugly element but when I look at the conservatives I see a far better balance of zealots and nice people than when I look at Antifa and other lefties. Trump is walking a line that reflects human reality rather than defending one persuasion at the expense of the other.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  August 17, 2017

          That’s bullshit talk Brown. One side is racist, bigoted, and pro-white supremacy. The other side is anti-racism, anti-bigotry, and pro-diversity/respect for others.

          There’s no moral equivalence.

          You might as well change your handle to White and be done with.

  4. sorethumb

     /  August 17, 2017

    I am perpetually flummoxed by the idea that the land which is in my bones and my very being, this whenua, the moana, its mana, mauri and wairua, received its name from some white man on the other side of the world.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/mynz/story/201836542/my-nz-'inequity-and-sheer-awfulness-is-beginning-to-emerge

    This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop? You take a look.

    • Trump could do quite a bit to stop the growing ugliness, but he is doing the opposite. He is leading it. You take a look at that.

    • Brown

       /  August 17, 2017

      True but you are ignoring context. Its not different when the left do it.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 17, 2017

        That is hair-splitting and an attempt at diversion. In this case, it happens to be the extreme right doing it, and unless you can find an identical situation where the violent attackers were lefties, the comparison is meaningless.

  5. Gerrit

     /  August 17, 2017

    The establishment from both sides is out to get Trump and as such any he says or does is taken not a face value but has to be denigrated. He cannot be allowed to be anti establishment.

    he was 100% right to call out both sides of the confrontation. But with anything Trump says is has to be denigrated.

    having sat at LAX for a 8 hour stop over and only have CNN on the public broadcast one quickly feels the power of the establishment.

    As someone said (cant find the source). Even if Trump found the cure for cancer, the establishment would blame him for inventing cancer in the first place It is ALL his fault.

    What the alt-left have to be wary off (as indeed ALL freedom loving people) is once the alt-right has been beaten into submission, your alt-left voice will be next in line.

    The establishment will brook no dissent. The establishment is using alt-left for a purpose and once achieved, will be denigrated as quickly and profusely as the alt-right.

    • Trump has been widely condemned for how he has handled the Charlottesville aftermath, and rightly so.

      It’s a familiar tactic to blame the target for being the cause of the problem. Trump does I frequently. You have done it here. It’s not an argument, it is part of an insidious and divisive agenda.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 17, 2017

        People seldom define the establishment or who the actual people in it are.

        This was a case of murder by vehicle-it can’t be explained away.

  6. Corky

     /  August 17, 2017

    The fact remains these white supremacist nutters have nothing on nutty liberal academia who in my opinion stand condemned of racial hypocrisy, fascism and poisoning the minds of a whole generation of Western youth.

    People need to ask when these protests are over, where do these protesters return to?

    These white nationalists probably return to a Hicksville retreat to print hate pamphlets about Jews and Negras. They will attend rallies and burn a flag..hell, even have a barbie and talk shit;

    And the liberal protesters?

    Trump is an agent of change. For those who can see this situation in its entirety, he has opened a very small window of opportunity to stop this rampant jihad/agenda of the liberal left.

    • Trump is increasingly looking like an agent of very ugly change.

      You are also trying the ‘blame the others’ approach to making excuses for his poor leadership and a divisive agenda of the extreme right.

      • Corky

         /  August 17, 2017

        ”Trump is increasingly looking like an agent of very ugly change.”

        True, and if successive political regimes and organisations had had the guts to confront liberal excess we would not have had Trump and an embolden fringe right.

        ”You are also trying the ‘blame the others’ approach to making excuses for his poor leadership and a divisive agenda of the extreme right.”

        No,as above…Trump is your result when you don’t call bs for what it is. Everyone has agendas. It’s just no one wants to hear about the liberal agenda because liberals have the brains not to go around in hoods and camouflage fatigues.

        Robert Creamer in my opinion is no different to a hooded white supremacist with a gun.

        • Corky. While I have some empathy with some of your position, its largely underpinned by “decisive, democratically elected POTUS”. It staggers me how MSM has and never will cut him a break. Psychologically I get it. You’ve got a man you despise, a narcissist. The establishment collectively hate him and the way he operates; they hate his politics so what to do. You needle him and lambast him and never, never give up on it. It’s beyond savage to watch and it’s quite as undignified as he is, but you’ve got the shared moral high ground.

          Whether Trump feels ANTIFA, RESIST and the former OCCUPY groups are not only getting free passes- they’ve actually become establishment darlings, he simply does not understand the concept of carrying the country with him. He shows no cleverness and no ability nor desire to change his MO.

          How easy would it have been to immediately mouth platitudes about Nazis and the KKK ?
          How easy would it have been to have displayed faux outrage, to “stand with” Charlottesville? Much, much easier than it was to look as peeved as a 5 year old when nobody apportioned blame to the RESIST and ANTIFA groups?

          Who is advising him fgs? It’s madness not to offer platitudes and declarations of inclusion and solidarity in these times even when you’re opposed to the ideology you’re spouting. I had nightmares imagining him being President on 9/11.

          People want their politicians to inspire them, make them feel safe and included. Trump is incapable of this deception. He is what he is. A rich, old, vulgar white man. He doesn’t pretend anything else. Therein lies the difference. The successful ones do.

          • Gezza

             /  August 17, 2017

            👍🏼 Yup.

            • Gezza

               /  August 17, 2017

              Who is advising him fgs?

              That’s actually an irrelevant question, trav. He operates on ego & instinct & sometimes his instincts are wrong, but he can’t see it because of the ego. The fact he got elected POTUS at all is a statement on what a screwed up place America has obviously now become. They’ll need a statesman or stateswoman to follow the Trump Experiment, but none is immediately apparent.

  7. Gerrit

     /  August 17, 2017

    “It’s a familiar tactic to blame the target for being the cause of the problem. Trump does I frequently. You have done it here. It’s not an argument, it is part of an insidious and divisive agenda.”

    Proves my point to a T. The establishment has a insidious and divisive agenda, using the alt-left to demonise the alt-right.

    Once the alt-right has been silenced, they will come for the alt-left.

    The old Divide and Conquer trick used successfully by the establishment to bifurcate.

    Worth a read

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/24/its-always-the-same-old-game-of-divide-and-conquer-in-american-politics/

  8. David

     /  August 17, 2017

    I watched the whole of his press conference which was quite something, it was white hot but what he pointed out was true one side had a permit to protest which is guaranteed under the constitution however ugly the message and if they had been allowed to just have their march they would have been laughed at and gone home having made no difference to anything. That the coppers allowed masked and armed Antifa counter protesters to clash is a factor that shouldnt be controversial.
    The media have jumped the shark.

    • Trump is the one jumping the shark. He has encouraged ugly, and he is encouraging it more.

      • David

         /  August 17, 2017

        How ? He condemned neo nazis and white supremecists and called the driver a terrorist and wants him locked up forever.
        His message was there are 2 sides going tribal and this is not how america should be and they both need to step back from the hatred and violence. The media are amping it for ratings and daring every other politician by basically saying if you dont condemn Trump we will call you a racist.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  August 17, 2017

          I’m going to keep on pointing out the obvious:

          One side is racist, bigoted, and pro-white supremacy. The other side is anti-racism, anti-bigotry, and pro-diversity/respect for others.

          There’s no moral equivalence.

          • Not that simple at all. There alt left is hugely agenda driven. Ask open borders SOROS

          • David

             /  August 17, 2017

            I have no argument with that Joe Bloggs but one shouldnt ignore there was extreme behaviour on the left side too and both need to be called to account. The Antifa have been running wild for 6 months and unless they are stopped too there will be more deaths.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 17, 2017

        If Trump jumped the shark then why are the media hopping mad?

      • Trevors_elbow

         /  August 17, 2017

        Repetitive. Not talking to the previous comments point. Classic belittling without addressing the point your replying to…

  9. artcroft

     /  August 17, 2017

    I have to reject the idea that some seem to be promoting, that in order to combat the extreme left, I must embrace the extreme right. I reject both and am convinced that the center will hold. We live in interesting times. Times that demand reasonable men and women take an active role in civic life. Because we all have a lot to lose if we let the nutters set the agenda.

    • Uptick.

    • Corky

       /  August 17, 2017

      Arty, when you are facing down an another slinger, trigger finger quivering, you aren’t in the middle.
      Either the hombre you are about to lead is right or wrong…he aint in the middle.

      The middle doesn’t exist. It’s relative to a number of factors. This mythical factor of the middle is why we have this madness afflicting the world

      The perfect society would be full of diverse and extreme characters. But none would force their views on others or instigate repression on others because of their world view.

      And that is the sticking point. Human nature and this mediocre compromise we call the centre.

  10. artcroft

     /  August 17, 2017

    And it won’t be General Lee this week and George Washington next week. Washington isn’t up on the plinth for defending slavery. He’s up there for delivering democracy the very institution that is threatening Lee. Lee’s record as a great man must defend him. He was an excellent military leader and entirely honourable. But he sort to defend black slavery, an institution that has no part to play in the US today. He should be remember for his better qualities in history books but I don’t think he deserves a place of honour in the public square.

    • Brown

       /  August 17, 2017

      Leftie academics selecting who is acceptable to have on a plinth is not going to reflect a nations identity. Losing sides have heroes as well and that doesn’t mean their views or side are now supported – just that they are important part of US history.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 17, 2017

        Which is why all the holocaust memorials have statues of Hitler… see by extension what a ridiculous argument you make

        • Gezza

           /  August 17, 2017

          I had a quick read of the wikipedia entry on Robert E Lee, Joe & it is immediately apparent that he was no Hitler, not by a long shot.

          • Gezza

             /  August 17, 2017

            In fact, I found myself wondering if a better solution to the demands for the removal of his statue might have been to leave it, & to erect another beside it – of, say, Martin Luther King?

            • artcroft

               /  August 17, 2017

              Good point.

            • PDB

               /  August 17, 2017

              It’s a pity the neo-Nazi’s etc got behind not removing the statues of Confederate generals as it then became too easy for people to justify removing them. Robert E Lee was an important figure in the history of the USA & the civil war – comparing him to Hitler or Stalin etc is just plain wrong. He was originally in the union army but decided to then fight for his home state – for him it wasn’t about defending slavery at all.

            • Corky

               /  August 17, 2017

              He was a well regarded officer during the Mexican American war. He was no hoser.

              Why liberals want his statue removed is beyond me. Oh, that’s right…history, the good, bad and the ugly must always be rewritten to suit the times.

            • PDB

               /  August 17, 2017

              These people wanting to eradicate bits of history they don’t agree with will be the same one’s proudly wearing a mass murderer t-shirt with Che Guevara’s iconic picture on it…….

            • Gezza

               /  August 17, 2017

              @ PDB. Yes, that’s my take on him from Wiki too. He was opposed to slavery, but he didn’t believe negroes should be able to vote. Because in his mind they weren’t sufficiently educated – or maybe perhaps educatable – to be able to do. He was also a supporter of the idea they should be removed from America. So in that sense he was racist, but he was also a product of his time & culture, and he argued tirelessly for reconciliation by Southern citizens with their Northern neighbours. So in that sense he was a patriot.

              It’s why I suggested maybe it would’ve been worth considering erecting a statue of someone like Martin Luther King. It could sit alongside Lee’s, as a reminder that figures of later history had eclipsed those of his views that were plainly wrong.

              Aljaz tv early this afternoon showed the city authorities of Baltimore quietly removing their statues of Lee & another Confederate General (whose name I don’t recall recall) in the middle of the night.

              But this is something the Americans will have to work through themselves. Our ranting and raving in support of either side is irrelevant to Trump, & irrelevant to America, &, actually, irrelevant to our own country.

        • sorethumb

           /  August 17, 2017

          Yours is the contiuum fallacy.

        • I can’t follow your analogy there JB

      • artcroft

         /  August 17, 2017

        If you raise a statue to commemorate someone and place it in a prominent public area, you are open to the charge of promoting their cause. You can still celebrate Lee’s better qualities but not make him the figurehead of society by raising a statue.

  11. duperez

     /  August 17, 2017

    Some think Trump is the answer for America and the world. Some think he’s a deeply flawed individual. Some simply think he’s an idiot.

    What is surprising already is that people are surprised about some things he says and does.
    Expect anything, don’t be surprised.

    • And there those who recognise that, like it OR lump it he is the POTUS. He won by a whopping great 77 seats. That was always my starting point. Weirdly, I believe in democracy. I wouldn’t have voted for him but it is what it is

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 17, 2017

        Yes, but he has shown that he was not worth being elected-he has gone back on his word to the mugs who voted for him.Look at the Carrier fiasco,

        How often do we see people who voted for him saying that they now bitterly regret this ?

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 17, 2017

    Trump said something. It must be terrible. How bad was it? Worse than we thought.

    Repeat ad infinitum. Ho hum.

    • Gezza

       /  August 17, 2017

      My impression is that he’s just the wrong man for the job. Wall Street & the wealthy have screwed the political & financial system in the US. Combined, they’ve shat on the working class, & scared the crap out of the educated middle class. Look at the shit heap their health system is still in & is projected to stay that way. The msm speaks to the middle class & some of the working class who ain’t got nothing yet & don’t think they’ll ever get it from Trump. Trump is from the wealthy class. Trump’s temperamentally unsuited to the POTUS job. What a pity Tillerson can’t get Trump’s job.

      • Trump isn’t necessarily pro business. His work view is hard to fathom
        He literally hate Apple ( production in China!) and hates Amazon even more. Two biggest companies in USA. Go figure. Keall offers an explanation.

        “You might think the US president would be an admirer of Amazon, the American company that has become a world-leader in online retail, cloud computing and AI.

        But you would be wrong.

        Donald Trump has frequently attacked the business founded by Jeff Bezos – in part, perhaps, because Mr Bezos also owns the Washington Post, which has frequently published articles the president describes as “fake news.”

        And although it has been lost in the renewed racial-divide hurly-burly and the decision to disband his two CEO advisory councils after a run of resignations, Mr Trump made his sharpest critique yet of Amazon overnight,

        Mr Trump’s post pushed Amazon’s market cap down by $US5 billion, which sounds dramatic until you consider the starting point was a shade under $US480 billion.

        Amazon is hurting traditional retailers, as it will hurt them here.

        But, in the US at least, Amazon and other online retailers are also creating new jobs, at least in the US. Lots of them.

        As Mr Trump should know from Fox News, Amazon recently held a multi-city job fair in a bid to fill 50,000 open positions – as part of a wider effort to bring on 150,000 more staff (the company already employs around 450,000, not including the 91,000 employees it will take on if its $US14 billion purchase of bricks-and-mortar supermarket chain Whole Foods is approved).

        It’s similar to the president’s antagonism to Apple, another company that has created hundreds of thousands of jobs in the US in areas like R&D, design, marketing and app development. But that cuts no ice with Mr Trump, who is furious China gets the low-end product assembly jobs at the bottom of Apple’s food chain.

        The president has a history of antagonism to Amazon and its majority owner, Jeff Bezos (also known as the world’s second richest man, with a wealth of $US83 billion). Last year, Mr Trump said of Mr Bezons and his company: “He has a huge anti-trust problem, because he’s controlling so much, Amazon is controlling so much of what they are doing.”

        More at……

        https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/trump-slams-amazon-again-wiping-us5b-its-market-cap-ck-206585

    • artcroft

       /  August 17, 2017

      If you’re going to defend Trump, then defend him. If you’re gonna condemn him, then condemn him. But save us from these “the world doesn’t understand Trump” memes. There pretty silly.

      • Who are you talking to?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  August 17, 2017

        I think the problem here is that Trump did have a point, but he put it so crudely and with such a lack of tact he could have walked into TOP and been put on a pedestal with Gareth.

        We have one side arguing Trump’s premise as valid while others argue he is inciting violence and “encouraging” White Power activists.

        I have not seen or heard anything he said that encourages Nazis’ and racists – in fact from what I read and saw he said just the opposite.

        But apparently mentioning that there was a violent intent in the counter protesters, and mentioning that not all the people marching against the removal of the statue were neo-Nazi’s (both completely correct comments) was tantamount to absolving the right of all sins.

        Traveller put it very well – it doesn’t matter what the merits are of what Trump’s says, because firstly the media will interpret everything through as negative a lens as possible and secondly he mangles and puts it across so crudely that he ostracises large portions of society and detracts from any positive message. As such we move backwards no matter what.

        • I don’t disagree with many of his sentiments, but he expresses them with such arrogance and inflexibility he conjures up all manner of oafish analogies.

          He hasn’t the temperament for politics at this level. He has none of the diplomatic, negotiating skills required to implement laws and changes. If you cannot carry the people you cannot win in government – even with a majority

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 17, 2017

            Traveller….I am sure that he doesn’t hate Apple and Amazon because they are so successful and much richer than he is (coff, coff, coff)

  13. World view NOT work view

  14. Brown

     /  August 17, 2017

    At the end of the day I look at this simply and that is that politics is to blame for almost everything stupid and on the basis that Trump is not a politician I like him being involved in politics because he frightens the politicians and their multitude of hangers on. For the time being that will do.

    Imagine the fear that would wash across the useless troughers if we, say, halved the size of parliament and local body politics? It would be great to watch the carnage with the useless self important types wondering if they can cope with a real job.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  August 17, 2017

      A beautiful vision Mr Brown. I hope I live to see that day!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 17, 2017

        I don’t , it’s appallingly naive.

        Just what does Brown think that these people DO ?

        Roll on third world status as the infrastructure collapses when half the people are trying to do it all. One of the Cabinet Ministers I know was doing 17 hour days as a matter of routine-would you expect him to do 34 hour days ?

        Would you be happy if you were expected to do the work of two people ?

        Grow up, Brown.