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Stuff Live: TOP lipstick on pig gaffe

“Sure but it’s pathetic isn’t it?All that matters is policy. Jacinda should be required to show she’s more than lipstick on a pig. Will she be?” Gareth Morgan tweeted.

Apart from a (significant) change in leadership there is not much sign of there being a different caucus and party behind Ardern.

36 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  August 21, 2017

    Your thoughts about the “lipstick” quip, Pete? And wasn’t Jacinda’s day HUGE! 2 800 people there to hear her (and see Helen again).

    • I think that Morgan made a fair point badly. It’s fair to ask questions about the substance of Labour, which hasn’t changed. Morgan overplayed to try to attract attention(which worked for him), and a lot of the reaction is also overplayed.

      There’s a reasonable argument about whether the saying applies, but it was always going to provoke an over reaction going with lipstick on a pig. Too many people are too easily offended, or feign offence to try to score political hits.

  2. Is she the lipstick on a pig?. I can’t see anything within that Labour collective, apart from her, that gives me any hope. There no substance, no policy, just nasty men. Phil ( mocking ) Twford, grizzly Grant, Aus Labor candidate Hipkins and mean Kelvin. It’s not good enough to rabbit on about vision

    • Blazer

       /  August 21, 2017

      I can think of at least one prominent National M.P who is way more ..porcine.. and inclined to bright lipstick,bright clothes and a dull understanding of…..her portfolio’s.

    • duperez

       /  August 21, 2017

      Are we going to go through the collectives to sum up characters?
      Seen Simon Bridges on the back foot? My old Mum would’ve said, “He’s a real nasty piece of work that one.” She wouldn’t have to be perspicacious to note that.

  3. PDB

     /  August 21, 2017

    Re: ‘Lipstick on a pig’.

    I’m no friend of Gareth but the ‘outrage’ over this is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with being ‘sexist’ and is a common expression used against both male and female (and anything really).

    In this case the pig is the Labour party, not Ardern. The ‘lipstick’ is the fact Ardern is being used to sell a party that is still dysfunctional and not fit to govern.

    • Seabird

       /  August 21, 2017

      Totally agree, PDB. The comment was not focused on her but at a party who is still the same old same old albeit with a new face.

      • PDB

         /  August 21, 2017

        Unfortunately people see/read what they want to see/read. I can’t stand Morgan but this is nonsense.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 21, 2017

          You are correct. I find it unsettling how quickly some people jumped to an assumption Jacinda was the “pig”…

          There are a large cohort of people – and unfortunately for Gareth, Twitter is where they congregate – who are determined to be perpetually outraged and are always on the hunt for the next-big-thing to be upset about.

          This is from WO but is pertinent I think:

        • Mefrostate

           /  August 21, 2017

          Ironic flip here, I’m quite a fan of TOP and their policies, but I think the “lipstick on a pig” was an extremely metaphor to select. It’s just too close to sounding like a gendered slur, and apes the line of attack that Ardern is shallow.

          I agree with Morgan’s sentiment: that more emphasis on policy and less on personality would be better for NZ as a whole.

          Ironically he manages to prove his point by showing exactly how bad his personality his, and how she’s a far more effective communicator.

          • Mefrostate

             /  August 21, 2017

            ^ extremely poor* metaphor

          • PDB

             /  August 21, 2017

            “I agree with Morgan’s sentiment: that more emphasis on policy and less on personality would be better for NZ as a whole.”

            Funnily enough the left have been saying it should be about policy and not personality for the past three elections but not this one? I wonder what might have changed?

            • Mefrostate

               /  August 21, 2017

              Yes, I agreed with the left when they were saying it should be about policy and not personality every time Key showed his immunity to scandal in the polls.

              I now direct this criticism at much of the left, as do you, and as is Morgan. The left vote has just completely reshuffled almost entirely on the basis of personality.

              We’ve all seen the fallout of personality cult politics overseas, we need to fight it on our shores and challenge ourselves to vote more on policy: how exactly do parties propose to make NZ even better.

              To “TOP” off my comment, when Morgan is expressing these valid criticisms publicly, he needs to be less of a dick about it.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  August 21, 2017

      Liabores social media attack vultures are well primed to jump on anything that can be used to distract from the fact that nothing has changed in the party apart from a dull, grey suited, white man has been sacked from the leadership…

      It’s still the tax and throw money at issues party….

  4. Unbelievable. It illustrates the ignorance of the meaning of much of our rich English language. The nz wide disapproval is from people who should know better. It’s a fabulous use of rhetorical expression. I still cannot abide Morgan,but he’s spot on here.

    • duperez

       /  August 21, 2017

      It indicates election year, there will always be always be wilful interpretations. Wanton use of the language is part of it. e.g. Someone says, “Companies shouldn’t be allowed to freely ship water off shore for big profits” = apples are going to cost $2.80 each.

  5. Where is Winnie? Morning tea at a rest home, lunch at a retirement facility and afternoon meeting at Grey Power HQ

    So what’s he up to up north? A pretty well invisible MP who has achieved nothing. At the by-election he boasted he would fix the Mangawhai sewage scheme disaster … nothing. He promised Goldcard holders free travel on the Paihia-Russell and Hokianga ferries … nothing.

    I’m predicting a Nat win up there as Willow isn’t playing ball at all this time

    • Blazer

       /  August 21, 2017

      do you think people want to vote for visionaries who just want to enrich the top 10%…Key made them billions….do you think people want to vote for luminaries whose policy is just…roads,roads,and more roads?

      • Do you think they want benefit huggers (perception of Greens post Metiria)?
        Do you think they want blind, uncosted VISION?

    • duperez

       /  August 21, 2017

      Have you seen him out and about in the electorate? (I’m sure he said something about mental health issues and suicide up here and he hasn’t sorted those out yet either.)

  6. another poll from NZ Drug foundation shows that a clear majority (65%+) want cannabis reform & over 80% want broader medicinal use; BUT Natz. party say ‘NO further reform !!’.. (as long as they are in POWER)

    even the stats. from Nat voters; 60% do support reform, but English again said “NO !! its CAUSES too much harm’ OR is it prohibition that really causes the harm; criminalising, otherwise law abiding kiwis (lost job & travel opportunity) & denying access to cannabinoid medicines (that most OECD countries now allow).. WTF is really going on here ??
    **Police-state/Prohibition Industry/Big Pharma lobbyists, all likely have the PMs ear ! 😦

    • in the press release, it said this:

      ‘Parliament is likely to vote next year on the member’s bill that would
      go much further in freeing up supply of cannabis for medical use.
      National has not stated how it will vote on the legislation.’

      ‘Responding to the conference, Prime Minister Bill English said there
      were no plans to decriminalise cannabis use, or overhaul drug laws –
      saying cannabis caused so much harm it should remain illegal.’
      (ZERO-TOLERANCE ?)

      ‘A spate of deaths linked to synthetic cannabis use has also put the
      spotlight on drug law.’ (best/rational way to actually stop it; regulate/decrim ‘natural herb’.. but ‘NO !” sez Natz. why ?)

      …. for those who ARE actually concerned about the lack of ANY actual reform in NZ 😦

  7. robertguyton

     /  August 21, 2017

    Subtext, gentle people, it’s all about subtext and if you feel it’s a go denying it, sweet! Jacinda will win every time.

  8. duperez

     /  August 21, 2017

    Dunne and dusted.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  August 21, 2017

      Goodbye overhang, and hello Greg O’Connor…
      Just a bit more pressure for Blinglish.

      • chrism56

         /  August 21, 2017

        As the party vote in that electorate was strongly National – Mr Hudson could be the dark horse.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  August 21, 2017

          It matters very little if Hudson gets in or not. Dunne was ‘valuable’ as he got his seat while taking none of the National party vote – so he was an overhang seat.
          National winning in Ohariu will not affect their seats in parliament at all, just the mix of electorate vs list.

          • It was a simple decision really. No way was Dunne ever going to be in the government. If PEters went with Nat, he will sideline both the Maori Party and ACT. He
            He’ll want it as simple as possible – Dunne knew that.

  9. robertguyton

     /  August 21, 2017

    That’ll rock him!

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