Open Forum – Wednesday

23 August 2017

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48 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  August 23, 2017

    Jacinda has made a mistake. She wants a discussion on New Zealand becoming a republic.
    Not good. This issue has the capacity to rip Labour apart. Why? A republic means the Maori Gravy Train In Perpetuity comes to a grimding stop.

    In such a scenario you wouldn’t want to be a Labour Maori MP.

    • duperez

       /  August 23, 2017

      Wanting a discussion being a bad thing is a bad thing. Not having a needed discussion because it might rip a political party apart is a bad thing.

      In such a scenario, is what you’re trying to protect worth protecting?

      • Corky

         /  August 23, 2017

        Good question..only Jacinda could answer that after meeting with a delegation of Maori MPs warning her of the dangers any rash decision may engender.

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  August 23, 2017

    I don’t see how becoming a republic would effect the Treaty settlement process. We must be getting close to being a republic now in all but name. Most things are done in house now with the Queen as basically a figure head.

    • Missy

       /  August 23, 2017

      The Treaty is between the Crown (Monarch) and the Maori Tribes, so if we become a republic the Crown ceases to exist and would therefore surely nullify that aspect of the treaty, thereby making the treaty null and void. A lawyer might be able to comment on this with the legal interpretation, but that is my layperson interpretation, not dissimilar to a contract becoming null and void when one party to it dies.

      • Blazer

         /  August 23, 2017

        some problem.Frame a new agreement.So simple.

        • Missy

           /  August 23, 2017

          If the Govt wants to they can. I never said it was a problem, just responded to why I thought it would be null and void if NZ became a republic.

          • Blazer

             /  August 23, 2017

            I suspect the right time is when the Queen passes away.The young,the future have no love for class pomp and ceremony.

        • Corky

           /  August 23, 2017

          No so simple, tough guy. Maori would want the country and the kitchen sink. You have already seen the headache a cursory discussion on a constitution raised.

          Ever been a serf?

    • PDB

       /  August 23, 2017

      The Maori tribes will be the sticking point in any move to become a republic – this would not be a simple or cheap process.

  3. Blazer

     /  August 23, 2017

    well done Air NZ….pity more companies did not follow suit!
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11909213

    • Missy

       /  August 23, 2017

      Their staff don’t deserve any bonus, they are so crap. I would prefer they kept the money and only gave it to those who actually provided good service. It has been a long time since I have received good service from Air NZ, usually they are patronising and unprofessional.

      • Blazer

         /  August 23, 2017

        thats probably why year in,year out they are voted one of the worlds …top airlines.Try looking at yourself,and your attitude,I’m sure you will find the problem.

        • Missy

           /  August 23, 2017

          Thanks for the character assessment Blazer. I have been flying Air NZ for 40 years, I have also flown a number of other airlines. Air NZ aren’t that good, u never understood why they won so many awards, but as most are awards voted by the public, I guess a bunch of deluded kiwis who are feeling too loyal for their own good are voting.

          I have spent years in Customer Service and hospitality, I do not rate Air BZ, but if you do good on you, obviously you have limited experience in the service jndustry, or don’t mind being treated like a 5yo.

          • Blazer

             /  August 23, 2017

            maybe you radiate negativity.The awards are international and include the opinions of sophisticated travellers.40 years is a long time to…grin and bear’ this terrible standard of service.You are a lot older than I would have guessed.

            • Missy

               /  August 24, 2017

              Air NZ never used to have bad service Blazer, ithe service used to be excellent – friendly and professional. No inappropriate comments to passengers, no invasion of personal space, and respectful terms when addressing passengers. I have flown Air NZ all my life, and other airlines in the last 10 yrs or so, mostly it was not my choice as to what airline I flew, but because I have seen it evolve over my life I have noticed the decline in service In the last few years.

              As for awards, I guess some people are easily impressed, but I am interested in what you class as a ‘sophisticated’ traveller and why you think you are able to judge such a thing. I am well travelled for both business and pleasure, is that a sophisticated traveller? Or is one just someone who holds an opinion you agree with?

              If you haven’t been travelling long enough – or have enough experience – to notice a decline in service then you must be a lot younger than I would have guessed.

              Maybe the negativity you seem to think I radiate is a reflection of what I see in those I am addressing.

          • Blazer

             /  August 24, 2017

            as you cannot withdraw from the discussion gracefully ,even faced with evidence that does not support your assertion,I will humour you.I have travelled extensively ,albeit never first class.Sophisticated travellers means ,frequent travellers , who have utilised many international airlines and can compare them.The awards are recognised in the industry,a very competitive industry.Yes Kiwis do have a distinctive accent.Living in England ,you appear to have adopted a superior attitude.Quite tragic,have a …naice…day…hope its a super fox hunting or grouse shooting ..weekend.

      • Corky

         /  August 23, 2017

        Fly business class, Missy. The back-rubs are divine.

        • Missy

           /  August 24, 2017

          Done that, to be honest the pretentious pricks I had as cabin attendants put me off Air NZ Business Class, the only thing going for it is the lie down beds.

          Basically the staff are stuck up and treat most passengers with contempt unless they are famous.

    • PDB

       /  August 23, 2017

      I’ve only had good service from Air NZ.

      • duperez

         /  August 23, 2017

        Me too.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 23, 2017

        Ditto and likewise

      • Missy

         /  August 24, 2017

        Some I know have too, others say they have had bad service.

        I was told once my standards could be too high. I have spent a lot of time in hospitality and have certain expectations on what makes good service. A cabin attendant sitting on the arm of a seat to talk to a passenger, or being called love & sweetheart, or a passenger being called sunshine when asking the crew for something does not constitute good service in my opinion, but others like it. I prefer friendly professionalism.

        A few times I have had good service in premium economy, which I think gives the best service on Air NZ for some reason. BC is pretentious and EC unprofessional. Also I find the crew aren’t very responsive to a woman travelling alone.

        I like Korean, Lufthansa & Emirates for service, and I did surprisingly have very good service on British Airways despite their reputation for poor service.

        • I never fly AirNZ except for internally. The reason I ditched them was the abitrary way they lessened the value of their points in about 2004. Hubby booked a First Class return to U.K and used the lot before they practically halved the value of them. The odd time I fly with them these days doesn’t engender a desire to return to the fold.

          TBH, I then became hooked into another airline through a CC ( Qantas)! Singapore and Emirates are my preferred carriers and I pretty well always turn left or upper deck it these days. A couple of years ago I flew to and from LA with AirNZ out of necessity and the cabin service was reassuringly delivered in best colloquial Kiwi. “Those of you who don’t want an update on the ABs v Wallabies scores please block your ears”, “Gidday, milk with that Ma’am ” type of thing. It’s funny because I’m a real fan girl of all things NZ, but just not our national carrier.

          I’m doing AKL to Dubai next week on the A380 and am actually looking forward to that >17hour marathon. I’m determined to spend time in that gorgeous bar. Shower before landing anyone!

          • Blazer

             /  August 24, 2017

            a bit of unashamed bragging to start the day.A dyed in the wool National voter.Why not disparage the acclaimed local airline and patronise foreign ones?.The globalisation factor.Send profits off shore,who cares,I am a wealthy property speculator….and you’re not.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  August 23, 2017

    Does NZME (owners of Newstalk ZB and the Herald) realise there is a New Zealand outside Auckland.Talkback is becoming very boring as it just consists of Auckland content, with Hamilton and Tauranga thrown in as satellite cities.Other than ChCh no other region is ever mentioned…

    • Corky

       /  August 23, 2017

      Lurchy, radios have a great built-in boredom destroyer. It’s called the on/off button. Use it.

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 23, 2017

        But then i wouldn’t have a subject to post about,speaking of which Newstalk ZB they are so pro national party each host at the start of his shift from flapper lips Mikey,downwards should say ” im dedicating my show to National and will show bias in the hope they will be reelected”

        • Corky

           /  August 23, 2017

          Switch to National Socialist Radio. Let Johnny smooth your troubles away.

          • Agree with Corkers. I hate ads so it’s largely Red Radio for me. No semblance or even pretence of balance; it’s anti Nat the entire day through. Save your blood pressure, ditch TAlk Back radio and come home to VENUZUELA on RNZ national radio.

    • PDB

       /  August 23, 2017

      I don’t know Lurch – one of the shittiest, most depressing cities in New Zealand got a lot of mentions today with some housing policies being announced for the region.

      • PDB

         /  August 23, 2017

        Actually what is the shittiest, most depressing city in New Zealand? – if some people could make some suggestions we can uptick those we agree with. I’ll start;

        Palmerston North.

        • PDB

           /  August 23, 2017

          Hamilton.

          • PDB

             /  August 23, 2017

            Auckland.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  August 23, 2017

              Where ever you live pdb …
              Must be depressing.

              How do you judge a town city in the negative if you do not live there?

            • lurcher1948

               /  August 23, 2017

              I would be depressed too with the blues and worriers,traffic crime and the continual rain and not to mention housing,i feel i have missed something, Auckland a place to avoid…,

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 23, 2017

              Having endured all three id have to agree. I’d put them in this order of depressiveness – palmy, aux, the tron

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 23, 2017

        I live in the best little capital in the world, love it 🙂

        • Corky

           /  August 23, 2017

          Nothing wrong with New Plymouth, Lurchy. I don’t know where it is. But I’m told for ten days a year the scenery is beautiful.

  5. Corky

     /  August 23, 2017

    Holy crap…Seymour calls a NZ1st MP a fugging idiot. What the…..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11909294

    • PDB

       /  August 23, 2017

      From your link the govt after this election could be all about:

      State control.

      Prosser: Later in a panel on resources, NZ First MP Richard Prosser said his party would bring electricity assets back under a simple state-owned, state-controlled umbrella.
      “That means if you have shares in Contact [Energy] – get rid of them now.”

      Communism.

      Robertson: Labour’s vision for the economy in two words was “shared prosperity”, he said

      Taxes.

      Robertson: “won’t rule out a capital gains tax if in power next term, and can’t rule out tax rate changes until after today’s Prefu.”
      James Shaw: “and introduce a new top tax rate of 40 per cent above $150,000.”

      • Blazer

         /  August 23, 2017

        interesting to see MEL.MCY,GNE,CONTACT and Trustpower share prices very solid so close to an election… .cliffhanger.

      • Corky

         /  August 23, 2017

        A rogues gallery of people wanting to take our money and spend it on the unworthy.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  August 23, 2017

    Wow on a well known right wing blog they are going feral.I presume there are wealthy rightwing posters there, company owners, managers, and professionals but the childish insults the man/children post is the sort of rubbish kiddies shouted at each other on the playground, PANIC IS SETTING IN, what a laugh, posters her name is JACINDA, not mule tooth,horse face, taxinda,The right are starting to sound like crybabies…just saying

    • Corky

       /  August 23, 2017

      Quite the reverse, Lurchy…I sense I growing hesitancy amongst the public regarding Labour. We know Lefties are always feral..it’s just a matter of waiting. I’m sure at Nationals election campaign opener on the weekend, they will rock the Left with a well timed policy.

      • Oh yeah. At hairdresser and work today a sense smile and wave is slipping off her throne a bit. Show us your plans Jacinda.

        I saw this. Apparently in her interview with NZ Herald she literally described herself as all of the below:

        Visionary
        Optimistic
        Courageous
        Collaborative
        Intuitive
        Determined
        Positive
        Bloody minded

        Talk about rate yourself. I cannot ever remeber such vaingloriousness

  7. chrism56

     /  August 23, 2017

    I see there has unfortunately been another fatal on SH1 just north of Tirau. Sounds like a head on crash. Winding section of road between a stream and bluffs. This was one of the stretches of road that National want to turn into divided highway. The sooner it gets built, the safer for everyone.