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  1. Missy

     /  August 23, 2017

    A Guardian columnist is jumping on the ‘tear them down’ bandwagon and saying why Nelson’s Column in Trafalgar Square should be pulled down.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery

    She talks about the Confederate statues in the US South as fulfilling their ‘intended purpose’ of energising the white supremacists, clearly implying that the statues energised the white supremacists in Charlottesville, whilst missing the vital point that it was the call to pull down the statues that energised the white supremacists and made the statues a focal point. The far left fed the far right who again fed the far left. It is a vicious cycle which she did not address.

    Maajid Nawaz spend some time on this today on his slot on the radio (I will admit for a Lib Dem he is pretty good – and better than the far left twat he is covering for).

    His view was that even if people are offended by a statue, they don’t have the right to ask it to come down, it is not up to the individual to determine the validity of statues and symbols.

    He also has a saying regarding the far right and far left. He refers to the CTRL Left, the ALT Right, and says to DELETE them both. 😀

    A nice play on words.

      • Missy

         /  August 23, 2017

        that link includes the video of Maajid Nawaz’s rant about the Guardian Columnist. I can’t work out how to post just the video, sorry. (I am a little technically challenged at times).

    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 23, 2017

      The call to take down the apartheid era statutes of Confederate hero’s maybe energizing the white supremacists now, just as when they were originally erected, it was to energize and legitimize the de facto system of apartheid that was being instigated in the post Civil War South.

      Are there any statues or memorials to all the slaves that were worked to death, raped and then lynched in the “Jim Crow” post Civil War period for demanding their civil rights.

      • Missy

         /  August 23, 2017

        They are energising the white supremacists BECAUSE of the call to take them down, before the far left started demanding they be removed the far right weren’t interested in them.

        This is a simple case of action causing a reaction.

        • Blazer

           /  August 23, 2017

          white supremacists are the …’far right’….aren’t they!!

          • Missy

             /  August 23, 2017

            Did I say otherwise? I used two different terms for the same group – so what?

            Do you have anything to add, or just being a pedant?

            It is like AntiFa are the far left, interchangeable really.

            • Blazer

               /  August 23, 2017

              ‘the far right weren’t interested in them.’…so they were never interested in…themselves….very good.

            • Missy

               /  August 23, 2017

              Blazer that is what is shown by the evidence. The statues did not become a rallying point for the far right until the far left wanted to remove them. Charlottesville would never have happened if the left weren’t so stupid. It is the threat of removal or banning of symbols that motivates these type of people.

            • Blazer

               /  August 23, 2017

              quite frankly..I couldn’t care less,whether they blow up Mt Rushmore.The U.S is a basket case,getting worse and more extreme by the day.

          • PDB

             /  August 23, 2017

            In polls more people want the statues to stay than go – all those people are not ‘far right’ or racists.

            Missy is correct, nobody gave a shit about the statues until some left-wingers demanded they be removed. If Nelson’s Column goes it will be the same thing, a small minority bunch of left-wingers wanting it removed when previous to that no one gives a toss about the Column or even had given one thought to what the left thinks it may represent.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 23, 2017

              Bringing Nelson into things is deflection, it does change the fact that the statues in the South were erected in support of what was essentially apartheid. “Equal” but separate, different seating areas in restaurants, different toilets, drinking fountains. How far removed was the South from apartheid South Africa?

              I can guarantee that in a few years they will all be gone, confined to museums where they will be a reminder of an unsavoury era in US history.
              It won’t be without be without protest but the fact that there is a white supremacist element that wants to keep them is all the more reason they should be confined to the scrap heap of history

              Most of these statues were erected 100 years after Nelson died. Attitudes would have changed at lot in that time though unfortunately not much in some places like South Africa and the US South.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  August 23, 2017

              PDB, you seem committed to the same straw man argument being used by those who don’t want to see the statues removed. The people arguing that Confederate monuments should be taken down aren’t trying to erase American history but rather make sure that the prevailing narrative doesn’t dignify (much less glorify) the cause of maintaining racially-based slavery.

              Imagine if we had monuments celebrating Nazis who fought and died for the Third Reich during World War II. How about if our War Memorials honoured the Japanese military commanders responsible for the atrocities at Changi, or on the Death Railway, or the 1945 massacre of 100,000 civilians in Manila? Or what if there was a 9/11 memorial that honoured the Islamist terrorists who lost their lives in order to massacre innocent Americans?

              If these scenarios strike you as offensive, consider how you’d react if someone tried to minimise your concerns by responding, “What? Are you trying to erase history? Nobody gives a shit except maybe a small minority bunch of left-wingers.”