Appalling non-apology from Hosking, TVNZ

On Seven Sharp last night Mike Hosking upset the Māori Party with a comment on voting. He said to co-presenter Toni Street:

“You can’t vote for the Māori Party because you’re not enrolled on the Maori electorate”.

That appears to be incorrect, or at least misleading, because you can party vote for any party, including the Māori Party.

The Maori Party complained in a media statement:

Māori Party co-leaders
Te Ururoa Flavell and Marama Fox
24 August, 2017

Ill-informed Hosking needs to learn the rules

Māori Party co-leaders Te Ururoa Flavell and Marama Fox are questioning the ability of TVNZ presenter Mike Hosking to host any election debates after his major blunder on Seven Sharp last night.

Mr Flavell says he was disappointed by Mr Hosking’s ill-informed comments last night when the Seven Sharp host said people on the general roll can’t give their party vote to the Māori Party.

“He is just plain incompetent – pure and simple. How can Mr Hosking host a debate on the election when he clearly has no idea on an issue around the party vote?

“The Māori Party has been a registered political party since July 2004. You can vote ‘party vote Māori Party’ whether you are on the General or Māori Roll and anyone and everyone can give their party vote to the Māori Party,” says Ms Fox.

“How can it take more than 13 years for the media to understand you don’t have to be Māori to vote Māori Party? Those on the Māori roll get the extra bonus of being able to vote for the Māori Party in the electorate as well.

“The information Mr Hosking gave out last night was misleading and irresponsible. He should do his homework,” says Ms Fox.

“It’s important to give the public the correct information, keep the voters informed and having a person who is so ill-informed hosting the debates is amateur.”

Mr Flavell says the show’s producers have agreed to highlight the mistake and a correction will be aired tonight.

“But frankly the damage has been done. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. There will be some who watched last night’s show, who don’t watch it tonight,” Mr Flavell says.

TVNZ stated:

“We will make a clarification on tonight’s show to clear up any confusion. We advised the Māori Party that we would be setting the record straight on tonight’s show a couple of hours before they issued their media release.”

Tonight Hosking said at some stage through the ‘show’ (not at the start):

“Small clarification for you.

“Now last night in a throw-away line I appear to have confused the Māori Party around the rules of voting in MMP.

“What I was suggesting, what I was meaning, was that the Maori Party, as their representation stands, is an electorate party.

That’s incorrect. The Māori Party has one electorate MP (Flavell) and one list MP (Marama Fox).

“In other words they are only in Parliament because they won an electorate seat. Therefore what I said in referring to voting for them was to vote for them in a Maori electorate you had to be on the Māori roll, which is true.

“Now the fact that anyone can vote for them as a list party I automatically assumed we all knew, given we’ve been doing it for 20 years for goodness sake and it went without saying.

“So hopefully that clears all of that up.”

That’s an appalling non-clarification and non-apology. The only thing it clears up is how badly Hosking has handled it.

He is sort of correct, you can only give an electorate vote for the Māori Party in an electorate they are standing in, and they only stand candidates in Maori electorates. But he explained that very poorly.

And he hasn’t apologised at all for his misleading statement last night, and he hasn’t explained that anyone on any roll can party vote for the Māori Party.

Hosking has made things worse for himself and for TVNZ.

For this Hosking deserves to be dumped from leaders’ debates – at least from the small party leaders’ debate that the Maori party will participate in.

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23 Comments

  1. duperez

     /  August 24, 2017

    I don’t think Hosking should be apologising to and clarifying for the Māori Party. I think he should be doing it for all voters. He probably expressed an opinion about Chris Hipkins intruding into another country’s electoral system and here he was putting out wrong information about our system, information to affect voting. That it happened while on a characteristic little flippant know-it-all ride was no surprise.

    He was always likely to downplay things and give a dismissive shoulder shrug apology and that happened. Why? Because he can, because he is bigger than the game. He may as well have come on and simply given us the one finger salute. Then he could have used the few seconds saved to share more of his wisdom.

    TVNZ won’t mind, people are talking about them and him. In some high office they’ll be delighted. Like I said, it’s just part of the game.

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    • alloytoo

       /  August 24, 2017

      The Māori Party are delighted too, they’ve been smothered by Labour and Greens shenanigans, finally some airtime.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 25, 2017

        This does matter-he comes across as opinionated and ignorant, a most unpleasing combination. He gave out wrong information.

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  2. patupaiarehe

     /  August 24, 2017

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  3. Corky

     /  August 24, 2017

    A big ado about nothing. Mikey made a mistake. The dumb Maori Party should just have asked for a clarification. In the coming weeks Hoskings will be the least of their problems as a little Karma comes back to roost.

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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  August 24, 2017

    Hoskings has a bad case of foot in mouth syndrome, the hardest thing in the world is to apologise gracefully.

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    • Brown

       /  August 25, 2017

      If we had to apologise for every trivial thing that someone of without relevance got upset about we’d never get anything done. Good on him for effectively saying get stuffed.

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      • duperez

         /  August 25, 2017

        Someone on a primetime tv programme says, “If you live in Epsom and vote for the Act candidate you can’t vote for another party in the party vote.” They are told to go on the next night and clarify that wrong information, they come on don’t apologise, give no clear message of what is allowed and effectively say “get stuffed” and you’d be happy?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 25, 2017

          Yes, this is not a lapsus linguae that doesn’t mean anything, it’s a stupid and ignorant statement. It does make one wonder about him being a moderator if he is so lacking in understanding (not that I’ll watch him anyway-I can’t stand him and see no point in just annoying myself.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  August 25, 2017

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 26, 2017

              😀 😀 😀

              To me the point was that he was so clueless about how the voting system works-and the fool just dug himself in deeper by his attitude.

              ? I can’t do an uptick…

            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 26, 2017

              Mike Hosking is far from clueless Kitty. He knew what he meant, and when you have an ego as big as he does, that’s all that matters. I don’t agree with his opinions, but I sure admire his DILLIGAF attitude… 😉

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  August 25, 2017

    So really it comes down to how far you need to dumb down your comments before they are not misleading to anyone?
    MMP has been going for a significant period of time and he’s right – it really shouldn’t need saying.
    And PG – you are the one being misleading when you cherry pick the first part of what he said about Maori Party representation being based on having an electorate MP and call it “incorrect”. Firstly he is completely right about that. The list MP only got in because they won an electorate. Otherwise they would not be in Government.
    After you call him “incorrect” you then show his following comments including a very clear explanation of what he was saying, which was 100% correct.

    This was a complete non-story egged up by the Maori Party to get some media traction. To say Mike Hosking should be stood down from moderating because of it is painfully precious.

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    • I disagree.

      What he initially said could easily be understood to mean that you had to be on the Maori roll to vote for the Maori Party.

      And his ‘clarification’ was awful.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  August 25, 2017

        You would have to be completely ignorant about how voting works for it to be misleading.
        His clarification was actually pretty clear in its totality.
        His original words were not as clear as they should have been, but if you think more than 1 person was affected by what he said, you would be reading way too much into it.

        It was an opportunity for the MP to get traction (even Jacinda has forgotten who they are apparently) and they took it.

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        • Many people are ‘ignorant’ of many aspects of voting.

          His ‘clarification’ is terrible, it’s arrogant and inaccurate.

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          • Pete Kane

             /  August 25, 2017

            Great column Editor. Why didn’t Street correct him on the night? Assuming she could?

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            • Corky

               /  August 25, 2017

              She couldn’t. She’s a Taranaki farm girl according to her.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  August 25, 2017

            His clarification is perfectly correct. I’m not sure which part you think is wrong?
            The Maori Party are only in parliament due to the electorate seat, with one list MP coat-tailing on it.
            His initial comments were not wrong, but could be taken as being misleading, but as he said – it was a throwaway line and in the scheme of things a pretty minor matter that the Maori Party took advantage of – and good on them.
            The media is littered with inaccuracies, many of them quite egregious. You move on from such things and lament at the quality of journalism but it seems only Hosking requires public vilification when a mistake is made.

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  6. Tipene

     /  August 25, 2017

    I wish I could summon the energy to be concerned that the Maori Party are so bereft of voters that they have to head down the “bash a whitey” track to gain some illegitimate air-time…………………but I just can’t do it.

    If it had been a commentator on Maori TV who had made this sort of error, it would have been a quick and friendly phone call to the producer to sort it out, not a press release to the MSM.

    Is Hosking bigger than the game?

    Probably, which is what makes him such a powerful and valuable political commentator.

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  7. artcroft

     /  August 25, 2017

    Hah ha, MMP seems to have confused Mike Hoskings. #I knew what I meant and I was still wrong.

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    • Corky

       /  August 25, 2017

      MMP does not confuse a 148 Turmeric fuelled IQ, Arty. I’m calling your comments a foul draw.

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  8. phantom snowflake

     /  August 25, 2017

    I realize that Martyn Bradbury is widely hated here, and I guess that linking to one of his posts will again attract derision (and worse) from the usual suspects , but what the hell. I happen to think his rants are on the money about 50% of the time, and I detect a wry humour that the haters will always miss.
    “HOW THE HELL COULD MIKE HOSKING’S ‘CLARIFICATION’ BE MORE CONDESCENDINGLY OFFENSIVE”
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2017/08/25/how-the-hell-could-mike-hoskins-clarification-be-more-condescendingly-offensive/

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