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26 August 2017

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  1. The State gone mad, personal values and freedom sacrificed or the state knows best, do as you’re told

    ”A Swedish midwife on Wednesday lost her years-long legal battle to be exempt from performing abortions — an act she says violates her religious freedom — and is now considering a final push before the European Court of Human Rights.

    Midwife Ellinor Grimmark objects to abortions because of her Christian beliefs. But the Swedish Labor Court decided that midwives are obligated to make a choice between conscience and career — contradicting international law, which protects conscientious objection, experts say.” (Foxnews, 12 Apr. 2017)

    ”Ellinor Grimmark argued that her Christian beliefs made it impossible for her to carry out abortions and that it was unfair to be turned down for jobs in Joenkoeping because of that.

    But the labour court ruled that she had not suffered discrimination. It said the authorities had not violated her “freedom of opinion and expression”.

    The US Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) is a partner of her legal team – Scandinavian Human Rights Lawyers.

    The labour court ruling on Wednesday defended Joenkoeping region’s right to require midwives to carry out abortions.

    In 2015 a district court rejected Ms Grimmark’s discrimination complaint. But she then decided to sue the regional health authority.
    In the long-running case Sweden’s discrimination ombudsman also ruled against her.

    The Svenska Dagbladet daily says she now has a legal bill of about 1.5m kronor (£136,000; $170,000).

    Sweden’s Health Professionals – an association of midwives and other medics – welcomed the court decision. ” (BBC 13 Apr. 2017)

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 26, 2017

      It’s a dilemma-if it’s a recognised part of the job, then perhaps she should not have become a midwife. That is, if it was when she became one. I find it bizarre that the same person is doing both things.They seem utterly opposed to each other.

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  2. Corky

     /  August 26, 2017

    People don’t vote for a variety of reasons. Most, however, have woken up to the fact voting is a wasted effort. You never get what you want. Without a constitution limiting governments ability to enact legislation, voters are just a nuisance for governments right to excercise ‘absolute power’ over us.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96083630/new-zealands-growing-nonvoting-problem

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    • “You never get what you want.”

      Depends on what your expectations are. Of course you can never get everything you want, and about half of people don’t get the government they wanted.

      The only way some people will get what they want is if they start up their own dictator party, decide all their own policies, get 60 flunkies to stand on their list, and win.

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      • Corky

         /  August 26, 2017

        ”The only way some people will get what they want is if they start up their own dictator party, decide all their own policies, get 60 flunkies to stand on their list, and win.”

        That, in case you haven’t realised, is what comes next when voter percentages drop below a given point and democracy by default starts looking shaky.

        A strong character steps into the breach and takes control. However, he wont need policy and 60 flunkies. Control will be at the point of a gun. And that was a whisker away from happening when a group of New Zealanders, including Maori, were ready to storm parliament and take control. They were talked down by Maori elders. Thankfully it wouldn’t have worked because these morons hadn’t considered how they would control the rest of New Zealand. The point is they were ready to act. They haven’t gone anywhere. Not all wanna be dictators are idiots. And any future dictator will have a ready made army of sympathizers.

        However, a constitution circumscribing what governments can and can’t do would solve many a problem. For a start parliament would just be a figurehead. There would be no Left/Right agenda. People could get on with their lives without having to double guess the government actions.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 26, 2017

          There are, of course, limits as to what a government can and can’t do.

          What you suggest would result in chaos.

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          • Corky

             /  August 26, 2017

            Crap. Our government has absolute power. They just implement itin a covert way so the peons aren’t scared.

            I do note though, people do have a problem with less government in or lives.

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            • Corky

               /  August 26, 2017

              *our*

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 26, 2017

              Er…which country are you living in, if the government has absolute power and the people are peons ? No peons in NZ, peons are peasants.

              I would have thought that absolute power would be very difficult to implement covertly by definition. People tend to notice these things.

            • Corky

               /  August 26, 2017

              ”No peons in NZ, peons are peasants. ”

              Not according to your stable mates. They call them the poor and dispossessed. In other words…peons who can’t farm, or soldier.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  August 26, 2017

    So good…

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 26, 2017

      My little dog, who is on my knee as I write, sends wuffs to Red (Velvet-ears), whom I suspect doesn’t sit on your knee when you are at the computer 🙂

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    • Corky

       /  August 26, 2017

      That was funny. However, the bs about the black guy at the back of Trump shows how nasty and lying liberal prats can be.

      Tumpy will have his revenge when he leaves office.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 26, 2017

        Too late then and nobody will care, anyway.

        You do realise that the films of Trump that we see on the news are the real thing, and his actual words, don’t you ?

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        • Corky

           /  August 26, 2017

          ”Too late then and nobody will care, anyway. ”

          I’m talking about the next plastic fantastic president.

          The minute the new president says: ” My fellow Americans. Lovers of the American way. and our great democracy..blah blah blah; is the minute the news corps and the public puke. Trump has everyone living on adrenaline, and people wont take kindly to missing their daily fix of ….EXCITEMENT!!!!

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  4. Corky

     /  August 26, 2017

    Seymour is heading in the right direction

    Standout quotes:

    1 – ” We are in the position of being choosers, not beggars, in the current global environment but our politicians have allowed us to be taken for a ride.”

    So bloody obvious. Does a Rolls Royce allow riff raff to board for a ride? Hell, no!

    2- ”We should protect our liberal values. Act would ask all those gaining residence to affirm that they share our liberal values, that they believe men and women are equal, that people of all sexualities have the same rights, and freedom of religion and speech are sacrosanct.”

    Trying to thwart those ideals should mean instant repatriation. Why? Because words are cheap.

    ttps://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/book-review-future-chapter-six-immigration/

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 26, 2017

      When you compare the two videos Trumps actual speech and the SNL versions there is one Black American behind “Trumps” right shoulder in each.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  August 26, 2017

    Maybe the all blacks might start playing at some stage….maybe

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