The Nation – election debate

This morning on The Nation (early start at 9.25 am) is an election smaller party debate.

  • James Shaw (Greens)
  • Marama Fox (Maori Party)
  • David Seymour (ACT)
  • Gareth Morgan (TOP)
  • Hone Harawira (Mana)

No one from NZ First, I presume a continuation of the refusal to be in anything that includes Gareth Morgan.

I presume United Future wasn’t invited or was dumped.


Shaw starts with a familiar poverty spiel.

Seymour points out that NZ First isn’t there, and also that he is the only leader on the stage who is an electorate MP.

Morgan “we stand or fall on policy. All I can so is sell the message”.

Harawira – I missed what he opened with.

Fox “We’re the party of the future, the country is sick of the red and blue bus.”

Shaw was pushed to state a single priority (and was stopped from his normal 3 key spiel) – he said he would want an act stipulating zero carbon by 2050.

Harawira (feeding kids) and Fox (no GST on primary produce) say that the cost of their number one policies doesn’t matter, it should just be done.

Shaw rules out working with National, more or less – he promotes changing the Government with Labour.


A decent debate as far as it could be, five didn’t seem too many, they all got a few shots in. I doubt it will have changed many votes though.

The panel all picked Marama Fox as the ‘winner’ through her heartfelt personality. Like her or not, agree with her or not, she expresses herself strongly.

Loser – Winston Peters for refusing to take part.

And it was suggested that all the smaller parties were the losers now that the campaign looks like being dominated by two parties only.

And once the media have an excuse to call a two horse race the other party jockeys don’t stand a chance of being heard.

20 Comments

  1. Pete Kane

     /  August 26, 2017

    “No one from NZ First, I presume a continuation of the refusal to be in anything that includes Gareth Morgan.”
    From what I heard/read yesterday, it was more about being cast in the ‘minor’ party status.

  2. Tipene

     /  August 26, 2017

    Or it may simply be strategy: why associate with minnows when you have the option of navigating the big fish?

  3. Tipene

     /  August 26, 2017

    Didn;t Seymour walk right into “hoist by his petard” territory? Marama ripped him a new one.

  4. “Harawira (feeding kids) and Fox (no GST on primary produce) say that the cost of their number one policies doesn’t matter, it should just be done.”

    Enduring, entrenched poverty and the plight of our most needy? Look to the short term lack of vision of successive spokespeople on their behalf. Where’s the reality checking? What about the fact that vouchers, instant fish fingers and food bank handouts are not a patch on fishing lessons, rods, nets, the securing of a spot on the river, community vege gardens, fiscal, numerical, language upskilling? Where’s that mentioned Hone and Marama?

    The message has clearly changed since Tariana let Fox take over. Looks like on top of Weet-Bix , fruit and milk – ( thanks Sanitarium, Fonterra and the government ), Harawira wants lunch and dinner too. As if GST off PP means people will eschew the immediate gratification of KFC, Maccers, white bread and Coke for Aubergines! How much has punitive taxation stopped smoking in certain demographics?

    I’m becoming a grumpy old lady, but it’s the intergenerational woeful, poor me thing that is killing some in this country.

    • Blazer

       /  August 26, 2017

      Greedy parasites are killing the country.Plenty of money to address Marama and Hones concerns.Its called priorities and allocation.National are allowing nearly 1/2 a billion for unnecessary tax relief,300 mil for international film makers,and thats just for starters….theres around 7-800mil right there.

  5. WHats the chance Peters will hang on to his seat?

    • Blazer

       /  August 26, 2017

      pretty good I would say..he campaigns hard and his opponent has a low profile.

    • A very good question. That hasn’t been given much attention that I have seen. The media helped him win it but they have much more exciting things to follow now.

      • duperez

         /  August 26, 2017

        A lot will depend on the turn out. Turn out impacted by whether the electoral slap that the dyed-in-the-wool felt at the time rouses them now. Winston will be hoping that on the way to the booths people are held up at one-way bridges.

  6. duperez

     /  August 26, 2017

    Seymour pointed out that he is the only leader on the stage who is an electorate MP.
    Absolutely right, incontrovertible and to most, no great revelation.

    The need to say it, the need to bypass the reality of how it came to be an incontrovertible truth? All a bit, “I might only be 16 years old but I’m the managing Director. My great-grandfather founded the company, my grandad took over from him and dad wants me to take over as he’s been the boss for 36 years now. I get to be boss because of my merits.” 🍄 🍄

  7. Zedd

     /  August 26, 2017

    I wonder if Democrats/Social credit & ALCP were invited ?
    maybe they haven’t been in parliament.. BUT they have both stood in every MMP election (as far as Im aware).

    SO… Why is TOP, Mana & even Act getting all this free airtime then ? :/

    • Because the media choose which candidates people should see.

      • Tipene

         /  August 26, 2017

        And the media run their own candidates. Katie Bradford for Labour, Mike Hosking for National, Katherine Ryan for the Green Party, Larry Wiiliams for Act, and Andrea Vance for whomever will her the interview on the day.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 26, 2017

      I think it is important potential parties get air time. Michael reddell pointed out an economics professor who stood for the US presidential elections. he may have been the best candidate but didn’t stand a show.

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