Election 2017 – daily bits

There is a lot going in in the election campaign. Any points of importance can be posted here. And opinions and anything relevant to the election.


  1. Gezza

     /  August 28, 2017

    🤔 Maybe you should call it *daily hits*, PG ? 😬 😳

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  August 28, 2017

    What do people base there vote on?

    Do they vote for the party that best represents their values? This can be ascertained by doing surveys like vote compass to see where their beliefs stand in comparison to the various parties.

    Or do they vote based on what is best for their back pocket. Which party will give them the most cash in the hand and spend the most on infrastructure in their area.

    Or do they vote on who they think should be in parliament even though their values/policies are not an exact match. An example of this would be voting Green for their environmental side rather than the social justice side which you may not agree with entirely.

    I personally base my vote on which party has the policies which most closely align with my beliefs but have voted Green to ensure a Green presence in parliament even though I don’t agree entirely with the social justice side. I could also vote for the Maori Party because I think it is important to have a independent Maori voice in parliament.

    • I vote boringly on competence. I believe the economy underpins everything and we must have good stewardship of that. As for the values thing, I see MPs actions/behaviour and assess their readiness or otherwise for governance. That said the Nats need to get serious about a few things. The best intentions in the world mean nothing if you’ve no fiscal nous.

      • Blazer

         /  August 28, 2017

        NZ needs real progress,real productivity in the tradeable sector.National are NOT delivering and people are starting to understand they are a party of expediency,power at the cost of any real vision or innovation.And their semantics around social welfare and housing is reprehensible.

    • Gezza

       /  August 28, 2017

      I’m voting – this time – based on:
      1. wanting to see better quality Labour MP’s (candidate vote)
      2. wanting to see Maori & their culture accorded their proper place & respect & to see themselves help lift those of their iwi who need it, & deserve it, out of misery, crime, domestic violence, illiteracy, homelessness & illiteracy – & succeed in business, trades, professions & life.

      I see nothing wrong with their being Maori first & New Zealanders second. I am a Pakeha first & a New Zealander second. We share this land. We owe each other respect & better understanding. Imho.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  August 28, 2017

        A nice couple of criteria there Gezza – and much the same as my own.

        I’d still like to see more emphasis placed on government funding of health and education as imho these are long-term engines of growth for our workforce and communities.

        • Gezza

           /  August 28, 2017

          Trying to work out whether four wankers have visited, or one or two came back to feel gratuitously offended several times Joe.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 28, 2017

        I think multiculturalism has exacerbated the position of Maori as Maori (and Pakeha) are just one of many. Maori will only achieve tokenism.

      • Gezza

         /  August 29, 2017

        Who’s the gutless wanker doing all the multiple downticks? I refuse to believe YNZ has THAT many Maori-hating pakeha rednecks who post here regularly! To the best of my knowledge we only have 3.

    • Mefrostate

       /  August 28, 2017

      I base my vote roughly 80% on policy, as measured by what I think are the biggest issues facing the country and the best policies to overcome those. This election housing makes up the vast component of this, followed by lifting productivity and better investment in transportation.

      I do my best to overcome the desire to vote for the party that would be best for me personally, and instead try to acknowledge the advantages I’ve had in life and vote for the party that will be best for the country as a whole.

      The remaining 20% is based on a mix of personality and trust, identifying the politicians I think are most likely to hold themselves to a high standard of conduct, and most likely to carry out their promises if/when in power.

      A couple of times these trade-offs have led me to vote for a minor party which I wanted to play a larger role in parliament, acknowledging that I wouldn’t want them to have too much power.

    • I base my Vote on one policy only, 0 points for guessing. Looking likely to remain Greens for the first time ever.

  3. I always look at where New Zealand is being taken and compare that to the aspirations our forefathers had when they first came to New Zealand to “build a better” place than the one they had left behind.
    When I see a government handing over a New Zealand passport to someone who has not met the criteria of immigration and who just happens to be very rich, I know that government is corrupt.
    When I see a government that allows and encourages, with irrigation schemes, the intensification of farming on land unsuitable for that purpose simply because of the white gold return it brings into the country, I know that that government does not understand the need to hold our country in perpetual production; I know that they are sacrificing the long term goal for the short-term gain.
    When I see friends having to endlessly challenge, bad government department decisions through systems of endless sham reviews and I see the process defeat them financially and physiologically I know this country is no longer a country that knows “it’s job is to be fair.”
    When I see New Zealanders impoverished because their jobs have gone to those who come into our country, work the season on low wages then go home to their third world countries “rich” men, or when I see our people unsatisfactorily housed ,and even on the streets, because far too many people have been allowed to flood into this country as new immigrants to create an illusion of “good economy” when in fact it’s a “false economy”, then I know this government is calculatingly and cruelly holding on to power.
    I ask myself for whom are they doing this? Why do they say we must “globalise” Who says we must globalise, Uganda, Borneo, Equador. Morocco? Who says we must Globalise? Globalisation is just opening the doors so the very rich and powerful can come in and legally exploit and control our natural resources, like water and oil, and that which we and our forefathers spent 200 years developing as our home.
    I look for the politicians / party that will run our country as our own, like Switzerland or Japan do. I am deciding on which party and which person in my electorate understands the true meaning of a sustainably managed country, a country that will feed our children that follow in perpetuity and which party and which person embraces that we are a fair and egalitarian society and want to remain that way.

  4. No fast track up the party list for Shane Jones.