Election 2017 – Finance debate

Tonight there us an election finance debate in Queenstown from 7.00 – 8.30pm. The change of mind by one person to participate has increased media interest (it shouldn’t have made any difference). Those taking part:

  • Steven Joyce (National)
  • Grant Robertson (Labour)
  • James Shaw (Greens)
  • David Seymour (ACT)
  • Winston Peters (NZ First)

Topics: immigration, housing, tourism, the retirement age, inequality, employment and water.

Time: 7:00 p.m. to 8:30 p.m.

The debate will be broadcast with live video on the RadioLIVE and Newshub Facebook pages:

The ASB Great Debate is being hosted in Queenstown, with Newshub’s Patrick Gower as the MC.

There will be a catch-up audio broadcast on RadioLIVE beginning at 8:30pm.

Stuff will be live blogging and have a preview: Live: The big finance debate

We’re going to be live blogging through the night on this one and also bringing you some live stand-ups because what makes this particularly interesting tonight is that Peters is showing up. It’s understood Peters wasn’t going to be here because he refuses to debate Seymour but the leak of his superannuation overpayment has changed all that.

Being here gives Peters the opportunity to debate Joyce (remember Peters is blaming the National Party for leaking his overpayment and doesn’t believe Joyce that he didn’t know about it). So in short, expect some fireworks.

No doubt Seymour will do his best to wind up Peters over the course of the evening as well. They were on the same plane down to Queenstown and some of us on that flight were slightly alarmed about how that might turn out (for the record they didn’t speak to each other).


It was advertised to start at 7 pm. Live streaming started just after 7:10, to a peech by someone from the ASB. And the last 10 minutes the mayor of Queenstown has been speaking. He has just now finally stopped at 7:25 pm.

Starting with an opening statement from each MP.

James Shaw first. He says government should be solving the great problems of the time, and new Zealand has been run by grey administrators. He is giving a very general election speech, going through the three key Green policies. He got to the second, fixing a busted system of poverty. Then he ran out of time.

Winston Peters starts by saying how much the others in the campaign are throwing money around like 8 arm octopusses, without a hint of irony. He says we need a dramatic change of direction with economic and social change required.

Steven Joyce starts by positively promoting how well business is doing. He is targeting business but also mentions families. National’s main thrust. A fairly good speech for a business audience.

Grant Robertson talks about ‘the opportunity facing New Zealand”. “If we invest properly in our people…we will be able to seize those opportunities”. He claims New Zealand is in a “productivity recession”.Β  He pushes the three years free education not just for university but also trades.

David Seymour says we are heading towards bankruptcy and if the election doesn’t get here soon the country will run out of money. Not just financial bankruptcy but also intellectual bankruptcy. A few swipes at National. “We have to fix our RMA”. He’s got a few facts and figures. He claims to be 16 points ahead in the Epsom electorate so says a part vote won’t be wasted.

Then a diversion to the Super leak.

Joyce categorically denies any Minister leaked.

Shaw says he it is very said we are going through a series of scandals. Big cheer.

Robertson agrees and says that is not what this debate is about to bigger cheers.

Peters goers over all the claims he has made over the last few days. He has been allowed to hijack the finance debate. Major accusations. Polite shot applause. Nothing gained by letting him rehash.

Now something key to Queenstown – housing. But each MP is allowed to give a speech which is saying nothing much new.

Robertson carefully talks about cracking down on speculators to a Queenstown audience.

Peters gives his usual spiel, subdued applause.

Shaw gives a reasonable speech, promotes CGT, reasonable applause.

Seymour gives one of the strongest speeches and criticises National more than Labour, strong on reforming the RMA. He promotes half GST on construction to local government. His speech gets strong applause and laughter.

Peters then attacks Seymour saying he is giving a valedictory speech.

Robertson is asked to rule out CGT on businesses and farms – he defers to ‘getting the best advice possible’. Joyce slams him for not being up front, Robertson has a response ready – back to national raising GST, but that’s risky territory promoting the idea of a post election somersault.

Peters sounds very whiny about how bad things are, but he won’t commit to any policy positions. Asked about stopping Labour imposing a CGT and he says he was a Treasurer once.

Robertson again asked on CGT on businesses – he again avoids it. Audience groans.

Seymour and Peters going hammer and tongs again, Seymour digging on peters not deciding if he would stop a CGT or not, or whether he would go left or right, and saying businesses want certainty. Peters bites and rants and says Seymour won’t be back in Parliament after the election.

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  1. Corky

     /  August 30, 2017

    Steven Joyce will be in the scrap of his life. But as bad as it may be for Joyce, it’ll be nothing compared to Bill English who tomorrow will fight for his political career against a backdrop of a major political poll being released, twenty plus thousand extra young people enrolled, with more to come according to the electoral commission. And an opponent who is on a roll, and a darn sight prettier than Bill. I think it’s called ‘ eye candy’

    To survive, Bill will need to throw a curved ball from left field, and be flawless in his replies to expected questions.

    Simple as that.

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    • Gezza

       /  August 30, 2017

      Simple as that.

      Pretty much. Just got back home. My Indian dairy owner and his Indian friend (resident for 14 years were split on this).

      Both consider Jacinda is waaaay smarter than they, or the Nats, or anyone else anticipated, that she’s a superb communicator, more engaging than Bill, that she’s a skilled tactician, that her weakness of not being able to talk stats & numbers is gone – she’s on top of that too now,& that she’s going to have the Labour Party by the throat & lead it unchallenged for the next several years.

      Both consider that National has done a good job on *the economy* but that they continue to enrich the really well off at the expense of the middle class, who will be happy to be relieved of the buden of payong for their kids’ education.

      Both consider that National looks like it’s panicking and releasing rushed our policies to counter Labour ones that have them nervous.

      One of them thinks we’ll regretfully still end up with a National-led coalition, until the 2020 election, but that Labour will make National wish they’d never won. The other is convinced there’ll be a breakthru by Labour & we’ll have a Labour-led coalition.

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  2. Gezza

     /  August 30, 2017

    Winston Peters, on 1ewes at 6 on the plus one channnel, just now, re Labour & National:

    “They’re so desperate to keep power, or to get power, they’ll say or do anything.”

    FMD! 😳 Lessons in hypocrisy from the Master.

    Hide than thicker than a rhinocerous, & probably even than his voters, that Hon Member has. πŸ˜…

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    • Thanks – that’s what I’m on. Once it started the streaming has worked well.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  August 30, 2017

        No worries Pete, none of those other links worked for me. That was a good watch, bit of a shame that only 1300 others bothered to ‘tune in’.

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  3. Gezza

     /  August 30, 2017

    I missed the first 30 minutes & had 3 chrome crashes on the FiP that took s minute to fix & rejoin the debate.

    That was excellent. Well run. Interacrtive. Well done Paddy.

    Well done Seymour, Robertson, Joyce, Peters & Shaw. May bot agree with you all but I have a better idea where you’re coming from.

    Well done Queenstown audience.

    Thanks for the link patu.
    2123

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    • Gezza

       /  August 30, 2017

      πŸ™„ 😑 * bot = not

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      • Gezza

         /  August 30, 2017

        End 1 minute summary – Seymour- too smart-arse schoolboy, Robertson – quite good, Joyce – as some wag posted on screen “Joyce would tell you the Pope’s presbyterian”, Winstona- yeah nah, but good for laffs, Shaw – was recovering some ground during the debate & then reminded us he had two mums & that his party’s under the control of the rabid feminist movement.

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  August 30, 2017

          I’d go one step further G, and say that young David made a complete twat of himself.

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          • Gezza

             /  August 30, 2017

            Um … I was thinking … maybe James did that? 😈 πŸ‘ΌπŸΌ
            And Seymour made a dick of himself? 😳

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 30, 2017

              You know what I mean! You seem to dislike the Greens almost as much as NZF… πŸ˜‰

            • Gezza

               /  August 30, 2017

              No I like NZF!
              Monty Python’s Party πŸ‘πŸΌ
              But led by an older version of Vivian, from The Young Ones. πŸ˜‰

            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 30, 2017

              That’s a pretty fair comparison G, but only because my friend Winston would call you “An utter & complete bastard” if he read half the stuff you wrote about him here πŸ˜›

            • Gezza

               /  August 30, 2017

              πŸ€” If he doesn’t read important letters from government depts, wtf would he read this blog? 😳

            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 30, 2017

              IF he doesn’t…..

              Dear Mr Peters,
              If your circumstances have changed, you must inform us….

              Nothing has changed, so in the bin it goes…

              I suspect that a cunning fellow such as him would have told his Mrs to tick the single box too, if he intended to diddle the taxpayer

            • Gezza

               /  August 30, 2017

              Hey, he can’t be expected to remember EVERYTHING!
              1. Not at his age, and
              2. Not when it’s never bothered him anyway when says one thing one day & the complete opposite next day, depending on the audience.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 30, 2017

              πŸ˜€ You know G, sometimes you remind me a bit of your mate Blazer, but without the troll hat. Except Blazer would have given up by now… πŸ˜€

            • Gezza

               /  August 30, 2017

              Stoat trapper, me.

            • Gezza

               /  August 30, 2017

              Come on mate, I tend to leave innocent folk alone, until they have a go at me. Then what they get is all their own fault.

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