The Peters Super saga continued

That clearly asks about your relationship and living situations.

At best Peters looks to have been negligent.

The current saga status seems to be that Winston has switched from blaming IRD to blaming National for ‘Dirty Politics’ without a hint of irony on his lips, while national continue to deny it.

But, while trying to benefit as much as possible from appealing to voters for support Peters is also trying to appear as if his post-election coalition options are still wide open.

RNZ: Peters leaves door open for National despite leak claims

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has left the door open to working with National, despite accusing the party of leaking information about his superannuation overpayment.

Three government investigations are under way to try and find out how the leak happened. National leader Bill English denied the leak came from within his party, although Mr Peters rejected the assurance.

Mr Peters said he would not let the personal attacks on his character get in the way of choosing the best coalition partner.

Asked if the matter would hurt National’s chances of wooing New Zealand First as a potential partner, Mr Peters said it would not.

“You have sometimes a poison chalice … I don’t know if you remember 1996,” he told reporters on the campaign trail in Northland yesterday.

“What you’re saying is … that in the interests of the nation and its economic and social survival that one should put his personal views above the serious decision one’s got to make, and above that of his caucus and how they see it … and I’m not going to do that.”

If it turns out Peters has made false accusations then he doesn’t deserve to be in Government.

Barry Soper: Leaking Peters’ file as ill-conceived as Turei’s fraud admission

The leak of the Peters’ file came from National but it’s a strategy as ill-conceived as Metiria Turei’s cry-me-a-river poverty plan.

If someone in National was stupid enough to leak the information to media then they don’t deserve to remain in Government.

The stakes are high.

So politically it has the real potential of calling time for National and it also raises serious questions about the politicisation of the public service. To say the highly sensitive information about a political leader should be handed on to his opponents under the so called “no surprises” policy is patently ridiculous.

Regardless who is found to have leaked this is serious and needs to be addressed.

 

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89 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  August 30, 2017

    I really, really hope the Hoot’s rumour that it was a disaffected Green member seeking utu turns out to a provable truth.

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    • Blazer

       /  August 30, 2017

      absolutely NO CHANCE I’m afraid Ray.Hooten wants publicity,every day,thats his vocation.

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      • PDB

         /  August 30, 2017

        A VERY GOOD CHANCE a govt employee leaked (whether Green supporter or not) it rather than a couple of senior ministers that knew they would be blamed if word got out.

        Winston originally said he was told by a reporter that an IRD employee leaked his personal information, he only tried to blame National later on when he saw the opportunity to make political mileage and also deflect attention away from what he actually claimed on his pension form.

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        • Gezza

           /  August 30, 2017

          Dreadfully devious man. Relies on the votes of the dementia-ridden, the pakeha bigots, the gullible, the rednecked, the generally disaffected & the smokers to survive in Parliament. We obviously have too many of them all, in the aggregate.

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        • Blazer

           /  August 30, 2017

          being blamed for divulging private info has never worried Bennett before…indeed she has said ..she would do it again…main suspect in my book..especially volunteering that she knew she would be..asked.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 30, 2017

            The time that she revealed details of the two women’s incomes was in response to their false claims about these to the press; she simply told what their incomes actually were after a lot of whinging from them.

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            • Anonymous Coward

               /  August 30, 2017

              She simply … breached their privacy.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 31, 2017

              They were lying about their state-funded incomes. If the state is keeping someone, the people whose taxes are providing this might be said to have the right to know the truth about it.

            • pickled possum

               /  August 30, 2017

              Do you mean the two women who were trying to get off the benefit, not stay on it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 31, 2017

              As one was on $715 a week even without the Training Incentive Allowance and the other on $554, their cries of poverty sounded less convincing when this was revealed. One said that she couldn’t afford to study-I take it that she hadn’t heard of student loans. At the time there were many people who were working and taking home less than these two entitled DPB recipients and they were less than sympathetic, as I remember.

            • Wasting your breath here Kitty. No evidence, doesn’t matter let’s just make it up

  2. Ray

     /  August 30, 2017

    Yes, you are right about Hooten.
    But the chance for a real stirring of the pot really appeals.

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  3. PDB

     /  August 30, 2017

    I don’t think National leaked it – far too obvious if they did considering some of their senior MP’s were told of the issue and that would always come out in the obvious search for the leaker.

    Peter’s saying that Bill English knew is just bluster & political hit scoring with no evidence. This idea of a Green Party voter/public servant seeing that Peter’s had done something similar to Turei in claiming benefit money not entitled to and leaking that info to show up the hypocrisy seems a better bet.

    The fact remains we still don’t know what Winston actually wrongly claimed for – if it was the single-person’s benefit he has no excuse. Also we only have Winston’s word that he actually took his partner with him when he went to claim his pension & as Farrar points out letters are sent yearly to those on single-person benefits in case their relationship status has changed.

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  4. Tipene

     /  August 30, 2017

    Peters would have had to have affirmed 6 of these annual letters, so the question is, did he even read them?

    Many MSD clients biff their hard copy letters unread, which is why every client MSD letter is now uploaded to the MYMSD web-application since 2016.

    MSD clients still have to opt into the MYMSD system though:

    https://my.msd.govt.nz/

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 30, 2017

      I doubt MSD would regard biffing its letters unread as a valid excuse. I would have thought that as part of the clients obligation in exchange for the pension payment, would be to read correspondence from the MSD.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  August 30, 2017

        This could be an area where Peters is vulnerable. If he has been paid the wrong rate since he turned 65 and was given notification each year I think he could be in trouble. Even if he didn’t read the letters from MSD asking for confirmation of his status, by not responding he has effectively acknowledged his current status as correct. Not reading the letter is no excuse.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 30, 2017

          I wonder if it’s been passed around various people in a ‘You didn’t hear this from me, but it’s too good to keep to myself’ way. It would hard to resist telling someone that Mr Fingerpointer has slipped up himself.

          I wonder if he carelessly took it that as his partner was not on super that he counted as a single person.

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  5. Its karma.
    Remember just a few weeks ago Peters was ‘leaking’ private emails in the House.
    The threats coming from that quarter make me think that Peters is the leaker trying to remain relevant in a world that has passed him by

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 30, 2017

      If he is the leaker, like Turei, he has not thought through or seen all possible pitfalls.

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    • duperez

       /  August 30, 2017

      I missed that. What private emails did he ‘leak’ in the House?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 30, 2017

        I think that he leaked their existence rather than their contents.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  August 30, 2017

    Storm in a teacup,both my wife and myself have never received any letters from MSD

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    • PDB

       /  August 30, 2017

      Is that because you don’t claim a single-person benefit……..

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    • Gezza

       /  August 30, 2017

      Changed your address & never notified them?

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    • NOEL

       /  August 30, 2017

      Gotta agree with you Lurcher. Been eligible for Super for five years now and have never received a letter asking to reconfirm details.

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      • Mum tells me she gets one every year

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 30, 2017

        ??? My husband was much older than me and went on super some years ago. He was sent letters, but I can’t remember how many. It was seen as a joke that they did this, as it sounded as if they wondered if he was still old enough. When he died, the super did too, of course, they aren’t so generous that they keep paying it to the partner until they can have it in their own right.

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  7. robertguyton

     /  August 30, 2017

    Tolley had no business in receiving non-essential, private information like this. Nor did Bennett. Nor did Eagleson. The details of Winston’s pension are NOT within the “No Surprises” category. All three should have rejected the information and instructed the sender that the action was illegal. Receivers, that’s what they are. Of illegal “goods”. And yes, the Prime Minister’s Office is the Prime Minister, as we heard from Key when it suited him. English is as guilty. Not even beginning to talk about the Barclay scandal, but front page of The Southland Times again – English pressures police to hide his details. The reek of dead rat is overwhelming!

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    • Point is. they “received” it. They didn’t solicit it.

      Can I suggest you’d be better to take your beef up with Soc Welfare. That’s what Peters should be doing, rather than slandering Ministers and the PM when accusers have no proof where this came from. Peters himself has plenty of leaking form

      There is Dirty Politics alright, just not seeing how any of this advantages National

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      • Blazer

         /  August 30, 2017

        the Ministers in charge of Ministries are where the buck stops.Clearly their dept heads were trying to score brownie points’ on matters outside their…jurisdiction.

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    • PDB

       /  August 30, 2017

      Maybe the ministers after being told about Winston (without knowing what they would be told) should have had their minds wiped so they could forget what they were told. English is guilty because he wasn’t told and therefore couldn’t stop his ministers being briefed – What a totally nonsense post – could be best of the year thus far.

      Highly paid officials decide what information is passed onto ministers in terms of the ‘no surprises’ policy thus the buck stops with them if under that agreement they shouldn’t have told Tolley/Bennett about Winston.

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      • Blazer

         /  August 30, 2017

        so when are they being…sacked?

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        • PDB

           /  August 30, 2017

          Enquiries are currently being undertaken – do you think we should just fire people before then?

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  August 30, 2017

        Shades of “Men in Black”, the ability to wipe memory would be a handy gadget for politicians. Key had a slightly different version of the gadget, it had three setting Prime Minister, Leader of the Party & Private Citizen. He could then wipe selective parts of his memory depending on what was most expedient.

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        • PDB

           /  August 30, 2017

          Helen had a pretty good multi-purpose version that magically removed all memory of forging paintings and remembering vehicles she was travelling in going well over 150km/hr……..

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          • Blazer

             /  August 30, 2017

            pathetic,admitted signing paintings,was sitting in the back seat of a chauffeur driven limo.

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            • PDB

               /  August 30, 2017

              She said she didn’t remember signing the paintings but admitted it was her signature, and not noticing being in the back of a car going at speeds supposedly as high as 170km/hr? Lies that only a buffoon would believe!

            • Blazer

               /  August 30, 2017

              I’ve travelled in luxury cars and you could not guess the speed they are so smooth…especially in the back seat.Stop…being a fucken…DORK.

            • PDB

               /  August 30, 2017

              NZ Herald: “Earlier today Police Assistant Commissioner for crime reduction and public safety, Peter Marshall, said fresh charges had been laid in relation to the motorcade. The six previously faced charges including dangerous driving, being a party to dangerous driving, following too closely, and careless use.”

              “Mr Peters said Helen Clark’s claim that she had not noticed the high speeds at which the motorcade travelled were not credible.”Is it not a fact that … the speed involved created significant damage to the vehicle she was in and even to the windscreen, but in all that time she did not notice the speed she was going at all?”

              Sounds like a very ‘smooth’ ride to me Blazer – really, you are making yourself look sillier than usual, a feat not thought possible.

            • Blazer

               /  August 30, 2017

              @….PDB…quoting Peters NOW ….unbelievable!

            • PDB

               /  August 30, 2017

              Threw that in just for you Blazer, especially considering you believe everything he says……

          • Patzcuaro

             /  August 30, 2017

            The Memory Wiper Gadget no doubt would be useful to politicians across the spectrum.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  August 30, 2017

              These gadgets are not cheap there is a lot of sophisticated technology behind them and Key was able to afford the more expensive model with multiple settings which enabled a more selective wiping of memory. The basic model is a bit of a blunt instrument.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 30, 2017

              I think that no matter how smooth a car is, one could hardly fail to notice a speed of 170kph, especially if other vehicles were on the road, crawling along at 100kph.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 30, 2017

              Not to mention the fact that the driver has a handy little device on the dashboard to tell them what speed they are going, and many cars make a pinging noise when they go over 100kph.

  8. PDB

     /  August 30, 2017

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96297995/it-just-didnt-happen–paula-bennett-rejects-peters-leak-came-from-national

    “There was “absolutely no benefit” for National to leak the details of NZ First leader Winston Peters’ pension problems, says deputy leader Paula Bennett. 

    She has rubbished suggestions National might have seen gains if Peters’ party dropped in the polls, telling TVNZ’s Breakfast the theory made no sense. 

    “It just doesn’t make sense that it was. Why would we leak something on the day of our campaign launch, which we want to be all about us quite frankly.”

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  9. Patzcuaro

     /  August 30, 2017

    A good summary of events st newsroom. Peters seems to have made a error in not front footing the issue by releasing the info himself once he had sorted it out win MSD. It is always the follow up or how you real with the issue that counts. It might be a private matter but Peters is a public figure in the lead up to an election.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/08/29/44947/peters-too-hot-to-handle

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  10. Chuck Bird

     /  August 30, 2017

    This article today may show that Winston is not alone in making a mistake. It shows some other professionals have made these sort of errors. These people had to pay the money back but were not charged. There is a case of a woman who told MSD that she was in a de facto relationship but they did not change her code and she did not have to pay the $2,100 back. That shows the MSD make mistakes.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96257593/there-are-many-ways-to-fall-into-nz-super-debt

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  11. Trevors_elbow

     /  August 30, 2017

    Bazza Soper implies he knows it was National,? But offers zero support bar his own claim for that position.

    Bazza always was Aunty Hs sock puppet…..imho….

    What a joke. Left finger prints allll over it

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    • Gezza

       /  August 30, 2017

      I wouldn’t rule out looking inside NZFirst.

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  August 30, 2017

        Like I said left finger prints. Winnie is an old school conservative leaning socialist … look at his policies….. nationalise it should be the slogan

        I did suggest NZL or NZF the other day

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