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31 August 2017

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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  August 31, 2017

    Much is made of politicians and their legacies, when in reality most vanish without trace. Winstons vision for the auckland waterfront and it’s port must be only a matter of time. If he is the one who pulls it off, he becomes one of the few to leave an enduring legacy

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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

      It will be good on him if he does.
      The steaming piles of horseshit should probably not be his only legacy.

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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

      Oh all right then, Garn, c – I’ll give him a wee pat on the head for his Gold Card. We owe it to the oldies who didn’t see their penury coming.

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  2. Gezza

     /  August 31, 2017

    @ c
    There might – possibly – hard to say – it seems so long ago, and I may been emotionally overwrought by recent events & by a completely uncalled for, pathetic, but savage stoating the previous day – have been a mention that yesterday’s Dilbert reminded me somewhat of a certain stoat?

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  3. WAIL -OIL went completely unbalanced with a Tourette’s-like succession of publicist posts on the alleged Nats “hit job” on Peters. Thank God Henry is back from holiday!

    He’s now best mates with people like Smalley and he’s even got Bryce Edwards, whose never as much as linked to him before, furiously tweeting him.

    Such a contrast to his previous and some would say diametrically oppositional opinion of less recent time.

    “We need to go back to 2003 and the scampi quota allocation and subsequent parliamentary select committee enquiry where initially Winston took one side of the argument accusing various players of corruption and made a big song and dance and then later flip flopped over it.

    Then he even sued David Carter for defamation over comments regarding his multiple positions on the issue and lost, and had to pay considerable costs to David Carter as a result.

    Then of course was his massive state subsidy package of the racing industry to improve stakes for the industry. Now, Winston Peters has always been a big fan of racing and horses so there is no direct flip flop there but what was undeclared at the time of his massive subsidy for racing interests was the fact that NZ First had a massive undeclared donation from the Vela family who have substantial interests in the racing industry as well as, coincidentally, fishing.

    When asked about those donations he lied to journalists.

    Following that was the revelation he took money from Owen Glenn and was actively lobbying for him to be appointed Honorary Consul for Monaco. Again there was an undeclared donation from Owen Glenn and again Winston Peters lied to the media and worse to a Privileges Committee about it. He faced the embarrassment of the Labour members having to defend him, Owen Glenn providing documentary evidence contradicting his position on donations and a minority finding that censured him.”

    And so on and so on, etcetera.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/02/multiple-positions-winston-peters/

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    • Anyone is allowed to change their mind but this conversion is more than Damascean, it’s unbelievable

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    • Blazer

       /  August 31, 2017

      very critical of Peters,especially since he is supposedly actively working to expand his vote!Was that…yesterday?

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    • Keeping Stock – I know you pst here, but I had to repost you KB contribution if you don’t mind.

      Peter’s ministerial history. Not pretty.

      “Peters has been a Minister three times, and has yet to complete a full term. His tawdry record is:

      * 1990 – appointed Minister of Maori Affairs by Bolger. Sacked for announcing his Ka Awatea policy with much fanfare and a reception at Parliament before it had been signed off by Cabinet. He went troppo, and was subsequently expelled from the National Party.

      * 1996 – goes into coalition with National, and is appointed Treasurer by Bolger. Bolger is subsequently rolled as leader by Jenny Shipley, who sacks Peters when he refuses to support the sale of Wellington Airport.

      * 2005 – appointed Foreign Minister by Helen Clark. An inspired move, as it means Peters spends most of his time out of the country. He almost completes his first three year term before Clark is forced to stand him down while the Privileges Committee investigates the undeclared Owen Glenn donation of $100,000k. Parliament subsequently censures Peters for knowingly filing a false pecuniary interest return. Labour does not support the censure motion because it needs NZF’s vote to pass its Emissions Trading Scheme legislation before the 2008 election.

      Peters is the consummate opposition politician but has been an abject failure three times as a Minister. Why would we think things would turn out any differently if he was given a fourth opportunity?”

      AUGUST 31, 2017 1:46PM

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  August 31, 2017

        Your problem trav is you can’t distinguish between a jellyfish and a vertebrate. Our politicians lost their spines decades ago. As a blueprint for maori development winston’s ka awatea was an inspired effort. But Bolger threw a hissy fit and the rest as they say is history…

        “Winston Peters is the last of the great “characters” in an increasingly bland political environment. He is not afraid to confront Parliament head on and he refuses to accept defeat in any cause he believes in. His mastery of Parliament’s unique environment ensures he is widely recognised for his persistence, skill and experience as a parliamentary debater.” Nzf

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        • Gezza

           /  August 31, 2017

          Jesus Bloody Christ!

          Do your two lovely daughters know you’re on here – embarrassing yourself, & the whole family – like this?

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  August 31, 2017

            They are free thinkers G. I respect their views …as they do mine. We come together as equals

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            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              😕 Disturbing choice of words. But that aside, I have yet to see either you or patu provide any sound or cogent reason why voting for this reprobate is recommended for anybody but the mentally deficient.

              As far as i can recall patu’s reason for doing so appears to be basically that Peters rarks up whoever is in government. I’m still waiting to have an opportunity to evaluate your excuse?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 31, 2017

              I never said I was voting for him, nor advised you to vote for him. I should introduce you to my friend scott who will teach you how to reframe a problem in order to remove ones inner bias and focus on the desired outcome

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              I should introduce you to my brick, so you could learn to communicate effectively without trying to be so crytpic your communications become worthless words.

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              I meant cryptic, but crytpic might do the job just as well.
              Who are you voting for c?

              It’s ok if you’re too embarrrassed to say. You of course have every right to not reveal your voting intentions.

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              I suggest you just get straight to the point & spit it out! 💪🏼

              That’s what a true macho bloke does – not stand in front of a bloody Hog in fkn jandals! 😡

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 31, 2017

              “why voting for this reprobate is recommended for anybody but the mentally deficient”

              Are you seriously looking for a constructive exchange of views?

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              Are you seriously proposing to start with one?

              Maybe after the leaders debate we can do this, if you are. But I’d be happy just to know for a start who’s getting your candidate vote & your party vote.

              It’s not like anyone knows who you are – is it?

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              Righto c. No skulking off to the scratcher. Plenty of time.

              Take it to the bottom & tell who you’re voting for – candidate, & party, & your excuse, or wimp out & go home.
              2118 hours

        • Con. To me, he’s little more than a populist with an ego the size of the galaxy. His fiscal history leaves a lot to be desired and seven years of extra dough seems par for the course. I’m flabbergasted that the media appear to have let him get away with it and turned him into a hero. Ms Turei otoh.

          You’d have thought that Campbell at least might have attempted to address the inequity here. A tale of two Māori. One an Uncle Tom and Metiria. Which one do they let off the hook?

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    • Notice NOBODY EVER retweets or likes Slater on Twitter

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  4. Blazer

     /  August 31, 2017

    Harman-politik….nails it…

    ‘What this National party hit job has done is place the perception that if you oppose the government in any way then your personal information collected by various state agencies can and will be used against you.

    Paula Bennett has done it twice, once to two beneficiaries and again to a guy working with Te Puea Marae. She has form. National has form. They are the ones in command of the details, they were briefed. Frankly to suggest some disgruntled Green worker inside IRD or MSD is tinfoil hat stuff. Same goes for suggesting that Labour organised this. There is no way they did because if so Winston Peters would be a political corpse. You know it was a National party hit job because of the cack-handed way it was executed with muddy footprints and bloody hand prints everywhere.’

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    • Corky

       /  August 31, 2017

      ”Paula Bennett has done it twice, once to two beneficiaries ”

      Yeah, in self defence against a couple of bs benies who thought the has Carte Blanche.
      Wrong. Most of the information released is publicly available.

      And boy, did these clowns get a good whack of taxpayer money.

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      • Corky

         /  August 31, 2017

        *they had*

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      • Blazer

         /  August 31, 2017

        it is still a question of integrity regardless of how you view the beneficiaries targeted.As an ex bene herself Bennett has shown nothing but contempt for them,and was censured but still defiantly said she would do it again.A despicable creosoted ..blimp.

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        • Corky

           /  August 31, 2017

          .”A despicable creosoted ..blimp.”

          Lucky Righties don’t have that nasty feral Leftie mean streak…otherwise we could have the time of our lives.

          You are sailing close to the wind

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  5. Corky

     /  August 31, 2017

    Similar happened to a person I knew. A Type2 diabetic, her medication suddleny stopped working. She became unwell and was hospitalised. She spent 4 hours waiting for the specialist, who became annoyed because upon checking her found nothing.

    While waiting on a final test she became unwell again. The only thing that had changed was a friend gave her her smart phone to ring friends.

    Lucky for her she a had a specialist who considered everythig and after a check list of causes took her phone away.

    His prognosis, cell phones and her don’t mix. So don’t use them…lol!

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15368378.2017.1323762?journalCode=iebm20

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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

      Farkinell! Looks like someone sent a link to someone in Howie’s flippin hapu or iwi, bro?

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  6. Corky

     /  August 31, 2017

    The Whaler gives Wishart a serve… I think? A better way would’ve been to have ignored him.
    I wouldn’t double guess Wishart, even though the Whaler has summed things up well.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/08/ian-wisharts-theory-nationals-leak-accusation/

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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

      Are you on Cam’s payroll or married to his cousin or something Corks?

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    • PDB

       /  August 31, 2017

      Wishart shows up Slater as a Winston-puppet with his sound reasoning as to why National are highly unlikely to have leaked.

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    • Blazer

       /  August 31, 2017

      Wishart beating up a story for his 1ZB audience ,where he flogs his books.

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  7. Corky

     /  August 31, 2017

    Oh, boy. This Tech is 30 years behind the military. But now its available, or soon will be, to private individuals.

    This has huge ramifications in all scientific disciplines,

    https://www.sciencealert.com/this-machine-could-print-synthetic-life-forms-on-demand-and-our-minds-are-reeling.

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    • Anonymous Coward

       /  August 31, 2017

      “But now its available, or soon will be, to private individuals.”

      Where does that 18 month old article say that?

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  8. Gezza

     /  August 31, 2017

    My Dear Ms Catkin

    Re:

    Kitty Catkin  /  August 30, 2017
    I was overcome when a waxeye let me hold her and stroke her. They are even more lovely close up, and their feathers are the softest thing imaginable.I took some photos to prove that it happened

    Gezza  /  August 30, 2017

    If they’re on your phone or computer, did you know you can upload them to imgflip, create a jpg & post them here? I’d love to see the best one.
 


    Kitty Catkin  /  August 31, 2017

    I never seem to succeed in posting photos. Tell me how it’s done-in words of one syllable

    Gezza  /  August 31, 2017

    1. are they on your cellphone?
    
2. have you transferred them to your computer?
I’ll take it from here…

    (Hullo … just ‘disappeared’ again 😠 )
…

    So, specifically, re: Tell me how it’s done-in words of one syllable

    A. Don’t. Be. Lazy.
    B. Don’t. Be. Impatient.
    C. Uploading. Takes. A. While.
    D. A. Child. Could. Figure. This. Out.
    E. Surely. An. MA Hons. Can. Figure. It. Out.
    F. Don’t. Mention. It. You’re. Welcome.
    https://i.imgflip.com/1v12v3.jpg





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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

      Technically that’s what is known as a fuck up.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 31, 2017

        Now, although it’s a morbid thing you chose to post, for God know’s what fkn reason probably best not explored, you got where you needed to go with the link you posted under your ‘thank you’.

        You just need to click on and OPEN that image, to get the .jpg image.

        Copy the link ending in .jpg (the jpg link) & paste THAT, and Robert is your cousin’s father – or Bob’s your uncle – if you like to get straight to the point.

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        • duperez

           /  August 31, 2017

          I’ll try at another time when I have something pertinent. Thank you.

          * The image was in response to you reposting: My Dear Ms Catkin “Kitty Catkin / August 30, 2017
          I was overcome when a waxeye let me hold her and stroke her. They are even more lovely close up, and their feathers are the softest thing imaginable.I took some photos to prove that it happened.”

          I knew I had a shot of an unfortunate which showed something of what she wrote. So, so delicate.

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          • Gezza

             /  August 31, 2017

            Ok. But WTF? what impact do you think that would have on someone who obviously LOVES these birds?

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  August 31, 2017

    Go for a LONG beautiful train trip ENJOY the countryside…

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  10. patupaiarehe

     /  August 31, 2017

    I have yet to see either you or patu provide any sound or cogent reason why voting for this reprobate is recommended for anybody but the mentally deficient.
    As far as i can recall patu’s reason for doing so appears to be basically that Peters rarks up whoever is in government.

    Gezza, that is but one of many reasons. As an electorate MP, Winston was visible in his electorate and got results for Tauranga, in particular the Tauranga Harbour Bridge. He was respected and liked so much by the people of Tauranga, that he won over 90% of the vote in the 1993 by-election, after telling National to GFY. People here still remember those days, which is why NZF consistently poll higher in Tauranga than any other electorate.
    Also, the candidates on their list represent a far better cross-section of society than any of the other parties IMO. No ‘career politicians’ there (well OK, maybe one 😉 ). I remember some commentators being critical of Ria Bond entering Parliament because she was “just a hairdresser”( http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/ria_bond ). Isn’t a big part of a hairdresser’s job talking to people?

    I could go on, but I suspect that your horse isn’t thirsty…

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    • Gezza

       /  August 31, 2017

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      • Gezza

         /  August 31, 2017

        One notes, en passant, that M. Le c, seems to have ‘disapperared’?

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        • Gezza

           /  August 31, 2017

          😡 🙄 well, ok – ‘disappeared’ – but I think you get my drift.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  August 31, 2017

            I do, thought you’d developed a stutter, but was too polite to mention it 😉

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            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              I’m wondering if c’s daughters have found out who he supports … and he’s inside, hiding somewhere, keeping his head out of sight & pretending no one’s home? 😳

            • patupaiarehe

               /  August 31, 2017

              Or perhaps he has ‘channeled’ Winston, after reading your comments here, and retired elsewhere for a stiff single malt 😀

    • PDB

       /  August 31, 2017

      Um……..Patu – you wouldn’t be cherry-picking your data would you?

      2008 election – Tauranga

      Simon Bridges – 21,504 votes.
      Winston “Tauranga loves me according to Patu” Peters – 9,309 votes.

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    • pickled possum

       /  August 31, 2017

      Up here in the Far North … ( Far away from the maddening crowd! )

      I have heard today of Winston going to bat for the little men and woman,
      that are finding it difficult to get the bureaucratic monsters of local government
      to listen to their very justifiable long suffering woes.

      Some say their prayers are answered once Whinny gets Involved!
      They say he gets the little jobs done.

      Some are concerned with the Black Fish (Master of Negative Campaigning)
      being the New Prez of Whinny’s fan club.

      Some even dare to suggest … it’s just free advertising
      as the msm just mention Whinny when he cocks-up.

      Whinny they say has done good for his electorate one good deed at a time.
      He also is very visible up here .. him or his black SUV type vehicle,
      with a well preserved blonde looking, well spoken and manicured wahine at the wheel.

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  August 31, 2017

        What you describe above Possum, is how he is remembered down here. He got results, for anyone who asked.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 31, 2017

        Do you know what his policy is on the Maori seats?
        Do they up there?

        Was gonna be poll of Maori Electorates only, last year.

        Then not long ago he said, no, poll of general electorate too.

        That pissed of Pita & others I think becos that’s not what they were told previously.

        Then, last I heard, or saw in the noisepapers – he was havin anutha think.

        Has he thunk? Haz he sed?

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        • Gezza

           /  August 31, 2017

          An whoz the black fish?

          Down my place its Ella or Elvis.

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          • pickled possum

             /  August 31, 2017

            Jez Gez The Black Fish!!!
            Usually called a Killa Whale
            A Orca
            This one has big pretend mussels.
            Runs a blag
            Just don’t wanna say the name !!!
            Oh yea … that’s right, you went there today
            an got a pic for us
            Bloody HOrrible it was tooo.

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            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              Oh Christ! 😬 Try to unsee it. 😎
              I yew meant The Joneser or The little bald lackey guy.

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              * Ron (sorry Ron just couldn’t remember the name at the time I posted)

        • pickled possum

           /  August 31, 2017

          “Winston Peters wants the **nation** to decide whether or not to abolish Maori seats – and if New Zealand has too many MPs overall”
          A binding referendum?

          Peters said “Maori progress economically and socially has been massively sidetracked, detoured and road blocked by the Waitangi industry”.
          “How could that possibly happen when we’ve got all these new members of Parliament coming from the Maori world?”

          Stephen Joyce said “In terms of the Maori seats we’ve always said there will come a time one day when everyone agrees they’re no longer needed but that day hasn’t happened yet. In terms of reducing the number of seats in Parliament, well, we could all look across Parliament and see people we’d rather see not there, but it’s just not the most important issue for New Zealand at the moment,” .

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          • Gezza

             /  August 31, 2017

            Do you reckon you’d vote for that? When the Pakehas will probably vote to get rid of them?

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            • pickled possum

               /  August 31, 2017

              My Vote going to ALCP
              Legalise Cannabis Gez so many older people suffering pain
              when I don’t think they need to suffer.
              Even tho Saint Teressa said we have to suffer. YYYYY
              MC balm has made my dear neighbours pain from arthritis,
              a thing of the past,
              she just massages in on her sore bits … Wa La!!!!
              Pain free … more able to do the basic housewife duties.
              Does that really warrant a stretch in the slam-ma.
              No Sireeee

            • Gezza

               /  August 31, 2017

              👍🏼 Righto.
              I suspect I know hoo getn ya candidate vote, but we jus keep that tween us cos rednecks n stuff?

  11. Gezza

     /  August 31, 2017

    Anybody interested in attending a seminar on getting Corky to not interact with them please indicate below. Doesn’t matter whether you uptick or downtick. Happy to accept either. Just looking at the total number for catering purposes.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  August 31, 2017

      Catering purposes G??? What’s Corky done to upset you this time?

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      • Gezza

         /  August 31, 2017

        Nuthin. It’s fkn excellent! 👍🏼
        More people should try this. 😎
        Are ya comng or not? 😳

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        • You been 🍺🥂🍷

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          • Gezza

             /  August 31, 2017

            No, I just missed the ‘i’ out of comng because I’m fading after all the debate excitement & got a bit slack on the proof-reading. Did you like my waterbirds?

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 1, 2017

              Shit! I almost forgot to show you my friend from work G. Name is Fleming, after the muesli bar 😉

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 1, 2017

            • Gezza

               /  September 1, 2017

              Upticked – cool. But i reckon watch ya fkn language – this is a family forum.

        • patupaiarehe

           /  August 31, 2017

          I’ve already attended two day long seminars for work in the past month, and wouldn’t want to embarrass myself again by falling asleep during yours G.
          Speaking of sleep, I’d best be getting some.
          Ka kite, e hoa…

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