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5 September 2017

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  1. A question on grammar: Should it be leaders debate or leaders’ debate?

    I generally leave the apostrophe out because I think that it is more a debate involving leaders, for us voters, rather than being a debate belonging to the leaders.

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    • Missy

       /  September 5, 2017

      I would say leaders – no apostrophe – as there are more than one leader and the debate doesn’t belong to a leader, (i.e.: not possessive). However, Kitty would be better schooled on this than I am.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 5, 2017

      Either works. Personally I’ve dropped the apostrophe.

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      • Blazer

         /  September 5, 2017

        whatever….my son used to use this when he was 11 or…12.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 5, 2017

          😳
          An apostrophe?
          Did he use redundant ellipses with the same gay abandon as his dad?

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        • Gezza

           /  September 5, 2017

          I think I might watch the debate on Maori tv. Things seem to be descending into pointless farce with some of your recent posts here. My recommendation to others would be to take patu’s advice & just skip over the pointless ones & don’t engage.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  September 5, 2017

            To be fair G, the pointless ones are getting fewer & farther between. Don’t tell anyone, but I’ve even given it a few upticks 😀

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          • Gezza

             /  September 5, 2017

            Anybody else watch that debate? NZF’s candidate’s not the sharpest knife in the block, compared to the others. No doubt of that.

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              Only caught te first half.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              If I didn’t have any background, I’d say that Mei Reedy-Taare came across best. Te Tai Tonga is a unique electorate tho’, and as Metiria said, theres currently only 20% in it.

            • I agree that she came across the best. Meiria tried hard but seems out of place in the Maori electorate environment. Tirikatene has the family connections but I’m not sure what else,

            • Yes, I saw both debates. I agree on Pita Paraone – he stood in Whangarei last election but got shunted for Shane Jones, and also dropped down the list.

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Mei Reedy-Taare said tha Maori own all the water, Te Tiriti says that.
              i dismissed her as an idiot st that point.

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Jesus Gez 😡 I’ll say that again!

              Mei Reedy-Taare said that Maori own all the water, that Te Tiriti says that. I dismissed her as an idiot at that point.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              She’s not trying to impress you, G :/

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Well if she iwas trying to impress you patu, I’d say you are too easily impressed. What made you think she came across the best – & do you think the Treaty says Maori own all the water?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              The water issue is the one thing I agree with National on. I just thought she was well presented & well spoken. Mr Tirikatene looked unwell to me, & Metiria came across as a bit shy

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              I don’t think Metiria disgraced herself. She fronted ok & her koereo seemed pono.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              Metiria did OK, and IMO she has at least half a chance of making it there. It’s a young electorate, where the Greens came second in the party vote last time. Interestingly enough, over 70% of enrolled voters there identify as european.

              At 153,671 sq km., Te Tai Tonga is the biggest electorate in the country, and over four times the size of the next biggest electorate, Clutha-Southland. Te Tai Tonga comprises all of the South Island, Stewart Island/Rakiura, the Chatham Islands, and extends into the North Island to include Wellington and parts of the Hutt Valley as far north as Avalon. In 2007 Belmont and Naenae were transferred to Ikaroa-Rāwhiti. There were no boundary changes for 2014.

              The median age for Te Tai Tonga in 2013 was 24, compared to 23 in 2006, and 37 in New Zealand overall. In 2013, 1.9% of the Māori descent population in the electorate had a post-graduate degree as their highest qualification, the highest of any Māori electorate, but slightly below the proportion in New Zealand as a whole (2.6%). Of all the Māori electorates Te Tai Tonga had the highest proportions of households with access to a cellphone (85.7%, compared to 79.4% in New Zealand as a whole), and access to the internet (76.5%, compared to 72.8% in New Zealand overall). Median family income in 2013 in Te Tai Tonga at $69,700 was the highest of any Māori electorate, but below the New Zealand average ($72,700).

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Where does it say over 70% of voters enrolled to vote in the te tai tonga electorate identify as european?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              On the electorate profile .pdf

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              That doesn’t make sense. My understanding is you have to identify as Maori to be able to enrol & vote in the Maori electorates?

              Do you think the Maori seats should be retained or abolished, patu?
              By that I mean, if Winston got his way & it was a question for a general referendum, would you vote to retain or abolish them?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              You can select more than one ethnicity, around 78% identify as Maori from memory. As far as the Maori seats go, I’d vote to retain them.

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              What do you reckon would be the overall result of a general referendum on the question?
              and
              Do you support having a general refererendum?

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              I don’t support having a general referendum, but I can understand why some would want to. It’s too late for me to fully explain why, but let me give you this example. When a marae host their MP in a Maori electorate, it’s a big deal. There will definitely be a great big hangi involved, and contrary to common belief, not a crate of double brown to be seen.
              Contrast that with a general electorate. Even the Rt Hon Winston Peters only gets a burnt sausage roll & a lukewarn cuppa, at a general electorate meeting… 😀

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              I’m not entirely sure what the relevance of that was to the issue, but it was an enjoyable read.

              I get annoyed with the pathetic coverage of the campaigns on tv. 1ewes at 6 had a brief item on Winston campaigning. They showed a 2-3 second clip of an old lady of 102 – looked like in a Rest Home – telling him how delighted she was to meet him, but no background. For all we know he was her first visitor in 6 months.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              They have limited time to report boring issues such as politics G. They only have an hour to fill, and need to cover the other important stories of the day, such as baby names and who Paris Hilton is shagging this week 😉

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Paris is sooo last century already. Wonder whatever became of her? Even Kim Kardashian’s botty’s no longer the hot item it was. I agree though, it requires almost superhuman strength of will to sit through the entire first 3 segments of what is now presented as ‘news’. I usually switch the telly off as soon as the Sports segment starts.

            • patupaiarehe

               /  September 5, 2017

              The first 10 mins is enough for me G. I’m gonna disappear & catch some zzz’s. CYA on the ‘morrow, good Sir 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  September 5, 2017

              Yes, I know what you mean. The trouble is 1ewes does sprinkle items of actual real news of interest throughout the dross in the whole forst three segments. Nite patu.

              Might have a quick look on me facebook pages for any more congrats messages since I announced the good new of Bluebelle’s twins, then hit the hay too. Blowin a storm & raining on & off outside.

    • PDB

       /  September 5, 2017

      Seems to be with the apostrophe looking across google?

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      • Corky

         /  September 5, 2017

        Agreed. So does my gramma checker.

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        • Missy

           /  September 5, 2017

          That’s odd, an apostrophe would indicate to me a single leader and the debate belonging to that leader, whereas no apostrophe indicates a plural. At least that is the way I read it.

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          • Corky

             /  September 5, 2017

            I’m afraid I have no idea.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 5, 2017

            An apostrophe at the end of “leaders” is ok – it indicates multiple ownership.
            But I contend it’s not needed as they didn’t own the debate. There was a debate which leaders took part in. That does not mean it was their debate. It was tv3’s. They just turned up as requested.

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  2. Conspiratoor

     /  September 5, 2017

    When the possessive is multiple ie there are two leaders, the apostrophe follows the trailing ‘s’. At least that is what Miss Campbell drummed into me many moons ago

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    • Gezza

       /  September 5, 2017

      She’s not wrong, but imo these two did mot own the debate. There were simply two of them there and there was a ‘ debate’.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2017

    The right is whining on Newstalk ZB, some poor manager is moaning about how much somethings cost to do now but under labour,ITS THE ENDS OF TIME, it will cost so much??, bill and sir key has had a decade nearly to get things right and now they are under the pump panic is setting in,MRS KARMA

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    • Corky

       /  September 5, 2017

      Er, Lurchy. Don’t worry about how much LABOUR wil be costing business..worry about how much they are going to cost YOU.

      The going rate at the moment is $1000 dollars per year. That no doubt will increase as Labour spend spend spend..after they tax tax tax…you!

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    • lurcher1948

       /  September 5, 2017

      a bit more…

      Politicians are trying to buy their way into power with our money.

      As shown by our election ‘Bribe-O-Meter’, this year is turning into the “bidding election”. As of 9am this morning, the total cost of Labour’s election promises equal $22.82 billion over the next three years. That is the equivalent of $13,237 per New Zealand household – before any expensive coalition negotiations.

      National’s spending promises will cost $7.62 billion – or $4,422 per household – over the same period. Compare that to the $1.4 billion total cost of National’s offers for the 2014 election.

      John, I need your help. The best way to combat political parties treating voters as suckers, bribing them with their own money, is to show voters the truth.

      Donate to keep our Bribe-O-Meter running.

      Our Bribe-O-Meter exposes the costs of what’s being waved around by politicians trying to buy their way into power with our money. Can you pitch in and help us reach thousands of voters?

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  September 5, 2017

    I wonder when Iran and North Korea will start trading oil for nuclear technology.Trump hates both and both would love to poke fingers in trumps eyes,it could bring on a heart attack??

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    • Corky

       /  September 5, 2017

      You wont be so flippant once the bombing starts, and a million are dead in less than 24 hours.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  September 5, 2017

        I will be safe,we have Bill English and his 3 soldier’s looking after NZ

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