Small party leaders debate

 

Tonight at 7:00 pm on TV1 there will be a leaders debate that excludes the two main party leaders).

Taking part:

  • Damian Light (United Future)
  • James Shaw (Greens)
  • Marama Fox (Maori Party)
  • David Seymour (ACT)

This is the debate that Gareth Morgan went to court to try to get in, and failed. And Winston Peters thinks it’s beneath his stature to take part with minnow party leaders.

It will be moderated by Corin Dann (Mike Hosking is sick so had to step down).


I thought it was an interesting debate.

James Shaw looked like he really didn’t want to be there, perhaps a very hard month is taking it’s toll. He was a bit robotic with the standard Green spiel. And at the end when he said he was really excited about the prospects of a Labour Green (and maybe Maori) government he looked like it was his turn to change the nappies.

But he had probably the best line of the night.

Peters didn’t want to take part supposedly because English and Ardern weren’t involved, so in his absence the others took him apart a number of times.

David Seymour was dominant, too much so at times, but he had plenty of opportunity to promote his cause – enough party votes to get at least one fellow ACT MP working with him for the next term.

Marama Fox was the star performer, an informed, eloquent and passionate promoter for her Maori constituency. It will be a real shame if she doesn’t make it back into Parliament.

Damian Light’s presence highlighted the stupidity of TVNZ rules for who could and who couldn’t take part (Gareth Morgan would have made it a better debate), and his nervousness showed at times, but for his first time on the big political stage he did very well, stating clearly and knowledgeable what UF’s policy positions were.

All four who took part had a decent chance to promote themselves a bit, but on a Friday night the audience was probably not very attracted or engaged.

But it was a useful albeit flawed part of our democratic process.

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  1. Gezza

     /  September 8, 2017

    I was just looking at footage on 1ewes at 6 of Bill English cutting a blue ribbon opening a road somewhere – and the two blokes on either side of him made him look like a runt. It ran through my mind that maybe he should really really be in the small party leaders debate too – but I decided to let it run out again & not try to catch it.

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  September 8, 2017

    I’m looking forward to the debate tonight. A pity that TVNZ didn’t see the light and ensure that we were able to see more of the candidates. The debates impact seems to be petering out with Peters foxing.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 8, 2017

      To top things of Peters thinks it is below him to attend. Morgan should have seen the light and spent his energises else where.

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  3. Gezza

     /  September 8, 2017

    Looking at the TV Guide, I find it very curious that a political party leaders debate is going to be immediately followed by an episide of the tv series “Ordinary Lies” ! πŸ€”πŸ˜ 

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 8, 2017

      I’m sure that you have seen the light, I don’t want to see any more.

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  4. Gezza

     /  September 8, 2017

    Righto. Got me coffee and me Tomorrow’s Meals Roast Beef & Veges nearly done in the microwave. Stay calm, keep it real, Marama. πŸ‘πŸΌ
    6.58 pm

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    • Gezza

       /  September 8, 2017

      David Seymour constantly interrupting & talking over other leaders answering questions. Just butted in several times on Marama. She let rolled her eyes, let him rant on with with his bollocks, & just calmly continued. She looks hot – scrubbed up nice tonight!

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  5. pickled possum

     /  September 8, 2017

    Mr ACTing all growly
    Miss Kitty Katz Fave mp is getting all worked up and next minute ..he’ll be screaming.
    Do you think tvnz put that ad with the fluffy cute kittens on,
    just to rub it in to Gareth?

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  6. Gezza

     /  September 8, 2017

    Strong performance from Marama. Very impressed. πŸ‘πŸΌ πŸ‘πŸΎ

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  7. Gezza

     /  September 8, 2017

    All over. Enjoyed that. Mostly behaved themselves, except for David, but he’s still growing up. Good job done there Corin.

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  8. Zedd

     /  September 8, 2017

    It just convinced me that :

    1) UF really dont have any distinct policy; ex-Dunne. Mr Light was just that…

    2) Seymour should shut up about ACT & join Natz, where his head is obviously at ?!

    3) Marama Fox was very focused on her agenda, but seems to be saying Hone is integral in their future. She closed by saying disillusioned Greens should join them ??

    4) whilst James Shaw was looking tired (carrying the load without a co-leader) he was on message & the best performer (IMHO) he got more applause than others

    5) Winston made it a bit of a sham; they could have sent Tracey or Ron instead ?

    Again, it seems like the MSM are trying to turn this into a FPP election, by almost sidelining these other parties. As I said before, they should have, at least invited the parties who have stood previously; ALCP, Democrats/Soc. Credit & even TOP (who are likely all polling ahead on Act & UF); the rules are rubbish !

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    • Gezza

       /  September 8, 2017

      Final para. I agree you with you, here and on the other thread you made this point. If TVNZ can legally get away with this shabby “criteria” their Charter needs changing!

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      • Gezza

         /  September 8, 2017

        No good Winnie sending Ron on his his own. He’d need Winnie to be watching & an ear piece. The time delay before he answered any questions or called someone sunshine would be all out of sync. Just wouldn’t work.

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        • Zedd

           /  September 8, 2017

          as I’ve said before; Tracey Martin should be co-leader.. she would have done a fine job & competed with the lovely Marama in the fashion stakes too ! πŸ™‚ πŸ˜€

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  9. Tipene

     /  September 8, 2017

    Marama Fox: Cultural elitist reverse-racist dictator.

    Damian Light: Mistook the debate for a Youth Parliament session.

    James Shaw: Beyond help, tired, beaten, and soon to be unemployed.

    David Seymour: Impressive on detail, but overt aggressiveness masquerading as assertiveness will alienate female voters.

    Winston Peters: Brilliant strategist, or arrogant fool – I can’t decide.

    The audience: some of the seats in a very small area were empty, and they were very quiet, which makes me wonder if they were tv staff commandeered to be the audience.

    Result: The debate hasn’t shifted by voting allegiance one iota.

    What a pity that there isn’t Party called “None of the Above” – they would romp home.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 8, 2017

      Marama Fox: Cultural elitist reverse-racist dictator.
      Bollocks. Redneck.

      Damian Light: Mistook the debate for a Youth Parliament session.
      That’s be yoof parliament to you, I think. He was actually quite mature & thoughtful. Qualities you need to develop.

      James Shaw: Beyond help, tired, beaten, and soon to be unemployed.
      Well, he did his best. At least he got up there up & gave it his best shot & was honest.

      David Seymour: Impressive on detail, but overt aggressiveness masquerading as assertiveness will alienate female voters.
      As impressive on detail as a deranged schoolboy accountant

      Winston Peters: Brilliant strategist, or arrogant fool – I can’t decide.
      Arrogant fool. It’s not a difficukt decision. IT’s probably the dog-whistling to rednecks that you like, otherwise you’d just write him off like sensiblepeole do.

      The audience: some of the seats in a very small area were empty, and they were very quiet, which makes me wonder if they were tv staff commandeered to be the audience.
      Hard to say. Email them? Report back?

      Result: The debate hasn’t shifted by voting allegiance one iota.
      Disagree. Might have persuaded a few waverers to vote Maori Party. Probably put a few more off voting ACT. Hope so anywsy.

      What a pity that there isn’t Party called β€œNone of the Above” – they would romp home.
      True.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 8, 2017

        * sorry about a couple of typos there.

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      • Tipene

         /  September 9, 2017

        Gezza: No need to raise your voice and name-call, just improve your argument and provide evidence to the contrary of my premise.

        My prediction post-election:

        Greens? Gone – vot will bleed to Labour.

        Maori Party? Gone – vote will Bleed to Labour.

        UFNZ? Gone – Vote will bleed to Labour

        ACT: Staying with National lifeline in Epsom – 1 MP.

        NZ First: Peters to win Northland, plus they will cross the 5% threshold comfortably.

        This Election is shaping up more and more on becoming a default referendum on MMP.

        Labour will lose (just), National to win, with ACT and NZ First to cobble something together in confidence and supply, at least.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 9, 2017

          Those were not predictions those were brain farts, & my cerebral flatulations in response. I DID NOT SHOUT.
          .,,,,,
          Re:
          Your prediction post-election:

          Greens? Gone – vot will bleed to Labour.
          πŸ‘πŸΌ Quite likely to miss out, certainly to be far fewer members if any make it in.

          Maori Party? Gone – vote will Bleed to Labour.
          😬 Christ I hope not, that would be a big mistake & a great shame. Two very good members of Parliament & successful in representing & achieving gains for Maori thru Whanau Ora & Partnership schools. Pragmatic as well as fierce in promotion of Maori interests. πŸ‘πŸΌ

          UFNZ? Gone – Vote will bleed to Labour
          πŸ‘πŸΌ Gone, yes. Votes will bleed to Labour, some to National. *Most* will be too intelligent to vote NZF probably.

          ACT: Staying with National lifeline in Epsom – 1 MP.
          πŸ‘πŸΌ Yes. Although it does make one question the quality of private school education.

          NZ First: Peters to win Northland, plus they will cross the 5% threshold comfortably.
          πŸ‘ŽπŸΎ Nope. Would be a travesty. Certainly hope not. Better off with Kelvin πŸ‘πŸΎ I suspect.

          This Election is shaping up more and more on becoming a default referendum on MMP.
          πŸ€” Possibly. Alternatively it might be shaping up to be the catalyst for minor parties to re-think whether they are vehicles for populist demagogues or want to actually stand for something real. Also whether they should be led by drongoes.

          Labour will lose (just), National to win, with ACT and NZ First to cobble something together in confidence and supply, at least.
          😬 πŸ€” Too early for me to definitively call. Suspect you are right National will secure more seats than Labour, but would rather they went in to coalition with anybody but Peters First. Why would would they do it? He’s a coalition jinx.

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          • Tipene

             /  September 9, 2017

            National will go into (at least) confidence and supply with NZ First, because the math will determine their requirement to do so.

            You may be assuming that English will retain Leadership of the National Party post-the Election.

            English may not be able to work with Peters, but Judith Collins will find a way to do so.

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            • PDB

               /  September 9, 2017

              National/Winston First don’t look to have enough numbers to govern – Winston & Seymour very unlikely to be in the same govt.

              A betting person would have Labour solid odds on for govt.

            • Gezza

               /  September 9, 2017

              Judith Collins will be throttled in the ladies. There will be no witnesses.
              But Paula Bennett will be unable to satisfactorily account for her whereabouts for a 10 minute period of time.

  10. I thought Damien Light was very charismatic ,come accross very well and was a genuine breath of freh air.

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