Winston demands to know Labour’s intentions

Yet another bottom line apparently from Winston Peters. He is demanding to know what Labour’s intentions on tax are.

Of course this is highly hypocritical, as Peters refuses to say what NZ First might do after the election, claiming they need to wait and see what voters decide.

This is just posturing.

NZH: Winston Peters to Labour: Front up on your tax plans

Winston Peters has set out a firm new condition of going into government with Labour – it must tell him what its tax plans are.

New Zealand First could not support any Labour government without knowing its true intentions, he told the Herald.

Peters said he believed Labour already knew what it wanted from a proposed tax working group but was instead saying it had not decided.

“I’ve got more experience than nearly all of them put together, with respect, lining up for these [post-election] discussions.

And he’s worse than anyone at not being open about what he might do, and what policies he may demand as non-negotiable.

“And I’d expect to know, yes. As the people who trust Winston Peters would expect him to know.”

Some people do trust Peters, but I’m not sure why. But I think that most people are justifiably very suspicious.

Peters compared Ardern’s rise to that of French President Emmanuel Macron, but claimed an uncritical media had played a crucial part.

“You are not asking the questions. You can’t possibly mean to go into an election saying, ‘My tax policy will be decided by a committee, and I am very sincere about that’. One needs to know what we are talking about … that should be fatal to a party’s chances. And we need to know.”

Accusing an uncritical media of playing a part in someone else’s campaign success is hilarious. He has long been given a free pass on a lot of his bull, and he has also long been given disproportionate media attention, that he is adept at milking.

That Winston is attacking Labour and Ardern like this suggests he is worried about the impact they are having on NZ First support.

I’m surprised there has been no public poll done on the Northland electorate. Peters has had to split his time between defending his electorate – and I haven’t seen any sign of Labour helping him this time – and trying to campaign for the party vote nationally.

Ardern, the Greens (last month), Todd Barclay and Steven Joyce have all been sucking the wind out of Winston’s sails.

In the same way, Peters said he wanted more clarity from Labour about how its proposed water royalty would be set, and assurances from National that Maori would not be given rights over fresh water.

Labour and national should demand that Peters let voters know what his true intentions are, including advising which of his many implied and stated bottom lines will actual be bottom lines.

Or maybe it would be better just laughing at him then ignoring him.

Peters seems to think he deserves more recognition and more say in government – “I’ve got more experience than nearly all of them put together”. It must really grate that Ardern has stolen the election thunder and another political youngster David Seymour keeps winding him up.

This election is likely to be his last chance of political glory, but it may also turn out to be a sign of Winston’s whine and wane.

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  1. Reply
    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 11, 2017

      If Peters keeps digging deeper he might encounter Joyce in his hole.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  September 11, 2017

        Mine you if Peters digs to far he will open up a back door for foreigners to sneak in, Jones must be down there helping though.

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    • Jack P

       /  September 12, 2017

      Just because Gareth Morgan says Winston’s plans will cost 55 billion does that mean it is true? If Winston erases student loans and they are required to work in New Zealand for the time they made the loan, how much return to the government will that be in taxes? It would depend how much income they made, how much they paid in gst, etc… Up front yes Gareth might be right but in the long run, I doubt the cat man even knows the return. Too much hype against Winston. He gets my party vote!

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  2. High Flying Duck

     /  September 11, 2017

    He’s a hypocrite but he’s right.
    Listening to Jacinda on ZB and she’s very definite and clear that they have policies. But she’s very vague about the details once the bumper sticker has been read out.

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    • PDB

       /  September 11, 2017

      Ignoring the obvious hypocrisy he is bang on in this comment;

      “Peters compared Ardern’s rise to that of French President Emmanuel Macron, but claimed an uncritical media had played a crucial part.

      “You are not asking the questions. You can’t possibly mean to go into an election saying, ‘My tax policy will be decided by a committee, and I am very sincere about that’. One needs to know what we are talking about … that should be fatal to a party’s chances. And we need to know.”

      The MSM don’t want to rock the Ardern rise as they are already preparing the many stories/angles that will come from her becoming PM. Bill English winning isn’t much of a story.

      Labour’s workplace relations policy in relation to FPA’s is similarly lacking any detail and will be determined after they get into power;

      Herald: “”Lees-Galloway said once in power a Labour-led government would spend the first 12 months working out how to implement FPAs.

      We would give ourselves 12 months to sit down with business and unions to look at how the process of bargaining for an FPA would be initiated,” he said.

      Other points that had to be thought through included exactly how each “industry” covered by an individual FPA would determined.

      “That’s one of the things that need to be talked through,” Lees-Galloway said.”

      Aside from Labour’s non-existent tax policy detail what about 5000 construction workers when 55000 are needed? What about a water policy with zero detail & no definition of ‘swimmable’? What about a financial budget that essentially allows no cost increases in all govt depts except Health & Education? What about the magical high speed trains between Hamilton/Tauranga/Auckland for an initial investment of only $20 million?

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  3. George

     /  September 11, 2017

    Wow. Another bottom line from petulant Peters.
    A firm ‘Go forth and multiply’ wouldn’t go astray with that one

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  4. Ray

     /  September 11, 2017

    I am with the High Flying Duck on this.
    It may be hypocritical of Winston but no more than Labours “trust us”.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 11, 2017

      not to mention Nationals,’trust us…we know what we’re doing…mind you some things take 9 years…to…sink in’!

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      • PDB

         /  September 11, 2017

        National has a well-performing economy as proof in their methods………..Labour does not.

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  5. Trevors_elbow

     /  September 11, 2017

    Good Peters calling the media out on a piss poor effort.. . But then again Katie will be happy because the media campaign for Taxcinda is working… so no repeat if the infamous line “no matter what we so….”

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  6. Patzcuaro

     /  September 11, 2017

    Peters demanding to know Labour’s intention sounds like a father standing at the door asking his daughter’s new boyfriend what his intentions are. Will it end in marriage or tears? Will his daughter attract the attentions of another? The only certainty is that the suitor will need a rock solid pre nuptial and by marrying his daughter will prove that he has rocks in his head. No doubt the price of marriage will be a large rock as well.

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    • PDB

       /  September 11, 2017

      It’s more like a cheating boyfriend wanting to know if his prospective wife is cheating on him before deciding to wed or not.

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  7. Gezza

     /  September 11, 2017

    🤔 I need to think about this before I say any more. Possibly after breakfast. No comments or announcements from Winston should go without some receiving some well-deserved derisory comment from anybody & everybody who is somebody – however on point he might sometimes accidentally be. Everybody knows that! 😠

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  8. sorethumb

     /  September 11, 2017

    I’m a wavering voter (NZ First or Top). I see this as lame by Winston. It is clear to me that NZ First couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. They have no firm goals or ideology . When there is a fuzzy area (Labour steals their immigration policy ) they cannot come out and argue a difference. Last election the Ilam candidate was James Dann of activist organiosation “Multicultural Aotearoa” ( a sort of Antifida). They need to come out swinging against the notion of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism requires the majority in a host nation to become a minority. We will soon find out who is the richest minority (that is what that “Chinese sounding names ” thing was all about). In otherwords it is alleged that minorities change taking on a new improved behaviour whereas in lifes daily grind they will likely maintain their own interests.

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    • sorethumb

       /  September 11, 2017

      I.e it is assumed the whole will be greater than it’s parts -it won’t and when the sugar rush from inward migration stops we will see that the whole idea has no clothes on it.

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    • Jack P

       /  September 12, 2017

      No firm goals or ideology? You haven’t listened to Winston’s speeches nor looked at NZ first web site. He has plenty of goals and his ideology is stop selling our assets, stop selling our land to foreigners, bring back manufacturing, increase exports, clean the rivers and lakes without taxing the shit out of people and by working WITH the farmers, and the list is endless. Ignoring the obvious tells me you are a gareth morgan supporter. Me? I am NZ first and Winston supporter. I suppose you guessed that already but I won’t start my sentence with “I haven’t decided yet either NZ first or TOP”. That would make me a liar.

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      • Gezza

         /  September 12, 2017

        What’s Winston’s tax policy? Has he got one? Is it on their website? If there’s anything about it on their website, is what’s on their website the same as Winston’s tax policy? How could we know for sure?

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  9. Gezza

     /  September 11, 2017

    It must really grate that Ardern has stolen the election thunder and another political youngster David Seymour keeps winding him up.

    David Seymour IS a wind up! He’s the first decent joke from Auckland ever to be elected as an MP!

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  10. Zedd

     /  September 11, 2017

    its just Winston doing more ‘I’ll keep em all guessing’ but it may backfire on him ?

    methinks most kiwis want to know on/soon after 23/9 who will be running Aotearoa for the next 3 years.. not weeks later when the supposed ‘king maker’ makes his mind up 😀

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  11. Conspiratoor

     /  September 11, 2017

    I might be mistaken but im getting the feeling you don’t trust Winston pg. Im curious to know, is there a politician you do trust?

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