The Jian Yang story

I have serious concerns about the the ‘revelations’ about National MP and list candidate Jian Yang published 10 days before election day – advance voting has already begun opened.

Newsroom published this story. They also broke and drove the Todd Barclay story.

The timing is very questionable, especially with the Jian Yang story, as are implications made.

Why now? And why target one immigrant MP?

Attempts by media to influence elections seem to be growing in frequency and intent.

This isn’t isolated – yet another election targeting Brian Bruce documentary which also targeted China, was publicly funded by NZ on Air, was years in the making, and was broadcast just before the election.

Our democracy is at threat from media abusing their power for political purposes.

 

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    • Corky

       /  September 14, 2017

      Great cartoon. I bet only one in ten young-ins would realise its take on a nasty historical event. An event where China showed its true face..and it was all Yang energy.

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      • Corky

         /  September 14, 2017

        Warning..animal activist on the prowl.

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        • Gezza

           /  September 14, 2017

          😮
          (WTF❓)

          Be very careful what dietary suppements you take, people! Especially if you’re ordering them from overseas! They could be seriously messing with your head, maybe even your gonads, & you might have no feckin idea!
          🐞🐞 🐞🐘🐞🐞

          It’s a flipping jungle out there! 👮

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    • NOEL

       /  September 14, 2017

      I was changing in radiology at Auckland Hospital 10 years ago when the nurse in the next cubicle asked the patient if he wanted an interpreter. His agitated repy was “certainly not I was a signal intercept operator for the PLA”. True story but how the worlds changed.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 14, 2017

        Young-ins ?

        And why only one in ten ? That presumes ignorance but is based upon nothing.

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  2. It is sort of coincidental that this post follows https://yournz.org/2017/09/14/examining-the-russian-media-war/

    But the use of media as a front for political purposes is becoming a very important issue in democratic countries.

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  3. David

     /  September 14, 2017

    Fake news again from the MSM and timed it seemed to change the narrative now princess Jacinda is under the pump.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      whats fake about it?Nothing .Yang admits he trained spies,is/was a Commie.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  September 14, 2017

        Now he is a Gnat.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  September 14, 2017

          Courtesy of wkipedia:

          A gnat /ˈnæt/ is any of many species of tiny flying insects in the Dipterid suborder Nematocera, especially those in the families Mycetophilidae, Anisopodidae and Sciaridae.[1] They can be both biting and non-biting. Most often they fly in large numbers called clouds. “Gnat” is a loose descriptive category rather than a phylogenetic or other technical term, so there is no scientific consensus on what constitutes a gnat.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 14, 2017

      The right always deflecting back to Ardern. And is calling her Jacinda a ploy to make her appear more inexperienced? And she is not a princess, another ploy to trivialize her. So in one sentence we have deflection from the topic and two attempts to trivialize. All eminating from the dark under belly of the National Party. A complaint about fake news from the artists themselves.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 14, 2017

        Yes, it’s likely that a Communist would be in National, unnoticed by anyone and that a spy would also go unnoticed. I was a member of Socialist Unity when I was an undergraduate, I’m not one now. People change their views as they go through life.

        I think that calling a woman by her surname is very rude & disprespectful-even ruder than calling a man by his. How much longer does it take to say both names ?

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  4. David

     /  September 14, 2017

    Bruce is far left and it was outrageous NZ on Air and TV3 have done this again, his documentaries are unbalanced and not much use if you actually want to know what is going on, for me he shouldnt be funded at all. Can you imagine how unhinged the commentariat would be if Hoskings did a taxpayer funded documentary just before the election.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      What would you regard as balance that Bruce omitted from the doco?.Seemed to go to painstaking lengths to get to the cause of explosion in house prices in western sea board cities.A topic many are interested in.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  September 14, 2017

        Painstaking in that he took great lengths to find only people who backed his pre-determined narrative and provided no counterbalance to the story?

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 14, 2017

      Good god not only has the red got out from under the bed, he has had the audacity make a documemtary. Hoskings is all over the media, TV, radio, print, internet what more can he expose.

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  5. Ray

     /  September 14, 2017

    Well let’s take a look at the timeline.
    The “Jacinda wave” hits a bad poll.
    Suddenly this bounces out of the woodwork and Miss Ardern ceases to be “relentless positively ” and goes feral.
    Coincidence, maybe but if you think so, boy have I got a deal for you.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      Why would you want to hide things.National are not ashamed of fast tracking a Commie into Parliament…one who is a great fundraiser …are they?

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      Save your deal for..Thiel,he loves them,and National loves anyone who’s…rich.Moral virtue!..what dat?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 14, 2017

        I wonder if you are willing to say those scurrilous things using your real name.

        The idea that National loves anyone who’s rich is just ignorant.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 14, 2017

          No, I can see that morals and virtue are something that you won’t be familiar with.

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  6. Corky

     /  September 14, 2017

    China has said it expects all its expats to remain loyal to China. The New Zealand Chinese political party proved that.

    So you can be disqualified from becoming an MP if you have a criminal record, but, if you have trained foreign intelligence personal, well that’s kapai?

    I’m more interested in what he hasn’t disclosed. That said, this is a political hit. Obviously the last poll shook the left. If the poll tonight is also negative for Labour, what else will crawl out of the woodwork apart from Brian Bruce

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  7. sorethumb

     /  September 14, 2017

    The fact is that to keep the property/construction/banking sectors roaring. “National” is prepared to see New Zealanders (Maori and Pakeha -1840 on – legacy citizens) become a minority.

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  8. Patzcuaro

     /  September 14, 2017

    It would be interesting to know what Yang disclosed on his immigration form and were any MPs involved in him being granted citizenship.

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      ‘A National MP who taught English to Chinese spies didn’t declare the names of the military institutions where that happened to New Zealand authorities.

      Jian Yang told the Herald he didn’t name the Air Force Engineering University or Luoyang People’s Liberation Army University of Foreign Languages when making the applications that led to New Zealand citizenship, which he was granted in 2004.’

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  9. Tipene

     /  September 14, 2017

    The media long ago abandoned any pretense of neutrality – they don’t even try to hide their bias any longer.

    Which is why media are now seen by most as entertainment, as opposed to influence.

    They can write what they like – most people don’t care what the media think, or what their opinion is.

    Brexit proved this, Trump proved this, Nicky Hagar proved this (twice) – this Election will do the same.

    A good summary in the US:

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/11444/media-fail-devastating-poll-proves-msm-influence-john-nolte

    The NZ Herald is continuing to bleed cash, and Fairfax is at tipping point.

    Sub editors have been replaced by run-of-the-mill journalists who now have to source, write, edit, and publish their own story online (and take responsibility for the legal ramifications of same).

    “Fake news” can now be spotted a mile away, the term is part of the lexicon, and more and more people are taking responsibility for checking and cross checking information they are told by the MSM

    The media, realising this, has recently begun running “fact-check” stories on the claims of various political parties.

    “No matter what WE do, no matter what WE say…………………………….”

    MSM = R.I.P.

    Kind of like the Green Party in 9 days time.

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    • Gezza

       /  September 14, 2017

      That comment well deserves the 12th uptick I just gave it. The only point I’d is re:
      “Fake news” can now be spotted a mile away, the term is part of the lexicon, and more and more people are taking responsibility for checking and cross checking information they are told by the MSM.

      That’s true. Really obvious, bad bad bad attempts to push obviously fake news are easy to spot. But some is gossip, rumour, accusations – ghostly-posts’ made-in-the-dead-of-night stuff. Published on obscure websites people are directed to before legal threats result in the accusations being taken down immediately, too late to stop other websites located offshore from picking it up & hosting it.

      Then the Streissand Effect kicks in & links & electronic whispers pass around from who to who knows who.

      Might be true. Might not be true? Who knows. The accuser used a name. Are they real? Do they have an axe to grind? What’s the angle? What’s to be gained? Something Personal? Political? Financial? These are the situations where people like me just sit & wait. To see if anything more comes out. And when. And why.

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  10. duperez

     /  September 14, 2017

    If something came to my attention, I investigated it and corroborated claims and on Friday this week was ready to publish it, should I hold it back until September 27th in case it was said I was attempting to influence the election?

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 14, 2017

    Mentioning that a MP could have loyalties to another countries spy agency is bad, how???

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  12. robertguyton

     /  September 14, 2017

    Aside from the “why now” story, what do you think about a Chinese spy-trainer making it that far into the heart of New Zealand politics? A Government MP, privy to information about our country’s defenses etc? Sure, you can argue about the media and so on, but the issue itself seems pretty attention-grabbing, yes? A spy-trainer from Communist China, in our Government?? Goodness!

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  13. George

     /  September 14, 2017

    The red princess who led a communist youth group is concerned that a Chinese immigrant taught English to a military group as part of his job?
    And is now a Parliamentarian just like her

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      The red princess who led a socialist youth group is concerned that a Chinese immigrant who taught spying to a communist, military group as part of his job?
      And is now a National fund raiser and Parliamentarian with access to NZ’s security programmes and diplomatic initiatives.

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  14. Patzcuaro

     /  September 14, 2017

    This explains a lot Joyce has company in the bowels of the National Party, it appears that the National Party has imported some new talent for their black ops section. Deep in heart of the Natonal Party must be a door marked Joyce and Yang, enter at your own risk

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    • PDB

       /  September 14, 2017

      You seem to be in panic spinning mode today – suggest you wait to see what tonight’s poll shows (I’m picking it will be close) before you totally lose the plot. Jian Yang is at pains to say he isn’t communist anymore whilst Ardern is the opposite.

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      • Blazer

         /  September 14, 2017

        Ardern does not say or consider herself a communist.Where can I find evidence that Yang disavows Communism?China is a Communist country…still.We like China=we like Communism.

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        • PDB

           /  September 14, 2017

          Sounds like one……

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  September 14, 2017

            The world is turning red, Ardern called people comrade at, I presume a Socialist Youth conference in Hungary. Well that is conclusive proof she is a communist. Quickly get her back under the bed.

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            • PDB

               /  September 14, 2017

              Do people normally speak like that?

            • Corky

               /  September 14, 2017

              Only Marxists. Something Jacinda hasn’t repudiated.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  September 14, 2017

              I was in Nicuragua in the early 80s, post the Sandinista revolution, and it was being used there. A lot of the young travellers were using it especially to the Nicuraguans. I got the impression that not all the locals were keen on being called “comrade”. I stuck with “senor” (the “n” has a little squiggle on top, Spanish for Mr, add an “a” and you get Mrs) it didn’t sit well with me calling people “camarada”.

              But if you are young and at a conference where everybody is calling each other comrade, I can see it happening. Much easier than trying to remember everybodies name.

            • Gezza

               /  September 14, 2017

              Do people normally speak like that?
              Nyet! Nyet! Is all lies. Propaganda, kamerad. 💂🏻

          • lurcher1948

             /  September 14, 2017

            The word comrades dont scare me , chinese spies allowing/telling the govt to sell NZ to China scares me, AND BUYING UP EVERYTHING including our water is racking up by the communist Chinese THAT SCARES ME.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  September 14, 2017

        Someone has to balance the books, every morning I enter into this chamber to be confronted by alsorts of dubious attacks on the left and protestations about how wonderful the right is. It is a thankless job but someone has to do it and Blazer needs a bit of moral support.

        Tonight’s poll results will be eagerly awaited. Even if Labour has stalled or dipped Ardern has done a wonderful job of invigorating the Labour Party. In doing this she has forced the National Party to lift it’s game and spread a few goodies around.

        I remember a chap called Lance Armstrong vigorously denying taking drugs and we all know where that ended. If Yang has been involved In the intelligence apparatus of the Chinese government I’d be surprised if they don’t have an open file on him. Especially now that he is a MP.

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        • PDB

           /  September 14, 2017

          Fair enough.

          There has been a definite change in the political air though in the past week or so, as if many people initially blinded by the Ardern stardust have shaken themselves out of the Ardern daze and are now finding huge holes in the Labour narrative.

          No chance of National governing without Winston which will be their eventual downfall if in govt a further term.

          Both main party leaders deserve credit for how they have gone thus far on the campaign trail.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  September 14, 2017

            Certainly been interesting.

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          • Gezza

             /  September 14, 2017

            I just can’t resist taking the piss out of the lot of them, tbh.

            It’s a failing, I know, but – hey, nobody’s perfect, not even amateur newbie children’s nature book chapter writers!

            I’ve been stunned by the dazzling performance & gobsmacking fortunes-turnaround Jacinda & her doctors have pulled off! It’s been positively Trumpian in impact, in my view.

            And it’s been tbe best thing to happen in NZ politics for a long time. People are paying attention. People are thinking. People are working out what sirt of government and country do they want? What’s working ok? What’s not? Who will fix it? Who’ll pay? How? When? Who’s solid? Who’s emphemeral? Who’s telling the truth? Who’s lying? Who’s bullshitting – not the same thing? Who could work together?

            I’m hearing neighbours talk politics. Haven’t heard that for decades.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  September 14, 2017

          Well this has been a particularly testing morning I better go and do some work

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 14, 2017

            I never hear anyone using the word comrade in that way, it has been well and truly annexed by the Communists. It’s like ‘Citizen; in France. People don’t address others as ‘comrade’ unless they are Communists-or being facetious.

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            • PDB

               /  September 14, 2017

              Correct Kitty.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  September 14, 2017

              We have been lucky enough to be born in a country with a liberal democracy, you would have to say one of the batter examples around the world.

              Others have not been so luck and have been born under a variety of dictatorships. The struggle to overthrow these and gain freedom (sometimes the outcome has not been much of an improvement admittedly) engender a sense of comradery leading to people calling each other comrade. Unfortunately the term has become associated with communist dictatorships in the Soviet Union and is thus out of favour.

              Out of the dictionary.
              “Comradery is the spirit of friendship and community in a group, like the comradery of soldiers at war who keep each other upbeat despite the difficulty of their circumstances. Who is a comrade? A close friend or a fellow soldier — in other words, someone who comes to mind when you say, “We’re in this together.””

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 14, 2017

              Oh yes, people talk about about someone being ‘a good comrade’ (it always seems to have an approving adjective) or about a group of comrades,, but one doesn’t usually hear anyone addressed as ‘Comrade’ except in a Communist context. If everyone, even those unknown to the speaker, is addressed thus, it becomes meaningless. Comradeship has to be earned, so to speak.

            • Blazer

               /  September 15, 2017

              According to stuff.co.nz, New Zealand’s biggest news website, Yang admitted that as a lecturer he had taught students how to intercept and decipher communications but not to engage in “the physical act of spying”.

          • Corky

             /  September 14, 2017

            Yes, looking at Kitty go off on a tangent, I know what you mean.

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            • Corky

               /  September 14, 2017

              Often times the comrades become the dictators once in power.

          • Gezza

             /  September 14, 2017

            This just in. More advice, from the Old Zen Yoda.

            He’s looking at you, Corky!

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 15, 2017

              What odd replies from Blazer and Corks. It was not a tangent to talk about the word comrade, as you would see if you read what was being discussed-among other things, the use of the word comrade to address someone

              . Blazer’s remark certainly was a non sequitur.Corky’s was simply the spite that he generally uses about me.

  15. Zedd

     /  September 14, 2017

    After Mr Yang rebutted this & said he was ‘just an English teacher’ & claimed it was ‘a racist smear on him’.. i heard a commentator on RNZ saying that ‘the secret service/military intelligence’ do NOT hire civilians in the Chinese communist military; they are all serving officers !?

    methinks Mr Yang may have some more explaining to do. Has he misled the public/Govt. on this ?

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    • Corky

       /  September 14, 2017

      Good on ya, Zedd%. This guy can be Jacindas first witch-hunt victim should she come to power. Nothing like dealing to a Chinese National.
      .

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  16. Ray

     /  September 14, 2017

    If you want to read some real facts on this by someone who knows both the man involved and how spying works try this:
    http://www.kiwipolitico.com/

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    • Gezza

       /  September 14, 2017

      Excellent, Ray.
      Always good to study intel reports from Pablo. 😎
      Although I think I might even be ahead of his game in the Middle East.
      Mustpha Shufti. 🕶 👍🏼

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    • Blazer

       /  September 14, 2017

      omitted pertinent information in citizenship application.

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  17. Conspiratoor

     /  September 14, 2017

    This has less to do with benign domestic politics and more to do with the puppet master’s agenda.
    This guy has been placed by the chinese to do a job. I just haven’t worked out whether hes a mole, sleeper, agent of influence or a honey trap.

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