Open Forum – Friday

15 September 2017

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  1. Corky

     /  September 15, 2017

    Israel Folau( rugby player) is being slammed for not supporting gay marriage. As a Christian he is taking the correct stance. Unlike Anglicans who reinterpret the bible, he seems to be living by its tenets. What a brave man in this age of liberal dross.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/96865092/andrew-webster-israel-folau-has-every-right-to-express-his-samesex-marriage-stance

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    • “As a Christian he is taking the correct stance.”

      Are you saying that all the Christians who support marriage equality and oppose discrimination take incorrect stances?

      The age old question comes to mind – what would Christ have done?

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      • Corky

         /  September 15, 2017

        ”Are you saying that all the Christians who support marriage equality and oppose discrimination take incorrect stances?”

        Yes, I am. The bible is quite clear on homosexuality. You either believe the bible, or you don’t. If you don’t, you aren’t a Christian in my opinion.

        What would Christ have done? Exactly what Folau is doing. Explain the situation, but give everyone free will to choose…unlike the liberal hate fest being piled on Folau.

        Its funny to think, a few years back, you’d have been crucified for supporting gay marriage. Now the opposite is true.

        My beef with gay marriage is many gays mock the retarded conservative view of life Christians have, according to them, yet they want to hijack one of Christendoms most treasured possessions- marriage.

        They should stick with civil unions… or maybe gay couplings… a pink on pink ceremony..

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        • Condemning some people to be second class citizens doesn’t sound very Christ-like.

          I guess you are aware that the Bible was collated – selected by a bunch of men – well after Christ’s lifetime. And it was further interpreted and selectively enforced in many ways since then.

          Christians are not all the same clone of the same biblical sheep. Many of them have been able to learn and to successfully adapt to the 21st century.

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          • Corky

             /  September 15, 2017

            ”Condemning some people to be second class citizens doesn’t sound very Christ-like.”

            No one is condemning gays to being second class citizens. They can make their own marriage arrangements. Why hijack Christian marriage?

            ”I guess you are aware that the Bible was collated – selected by a bunch of men – well after Christ’s lifetime. And it was further interpreted and selectively enforced in many ways since then.”

            Yes, I am well aware of the the reformation and other interpretations..

            ”Christians are not all the same clone of the same biblical sheep. Many of them have been able to learn and to successfully adapt to the 21st century”

            That is true, but the bible has some mainspring tenents that are hard to reinterpret. Homosexuality is one, in my opinion.

            I have no problem with people reinterpreting the bible to suit current social trends…just don’t call yourselves Christians

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            • They should be able to have the same legal rights as the left of us.

              Do you think all non-Christians should be banned from marriage?

              I’ve been able to have a non-Christian marriage. I don’t see why any other couple shouldn’t be able to as well.

            • Corky

               /  September 15, 2017

              ‘They should be able to have the same legal rights as the rest of us. ”

              Agreed. Just not marriage. They can have their own legal ceremony.

              ”Do you think all non-Christians should be banned from marriage?”

              No, just gays. Gay marriage makes the church hypocritical, as would be many of gays wanting to be married. I see Churches may be forced to marry gays. Is that right.? Did churches ask for gays to be married?
              Hopefully legislation to protect churches from performing gay marriages is on the cards. Or at least the situation will be clarified.

              ‘I’ve been able to have a non-Christian marriage. I don’t see why any other couple shouldn’t be able to as well.”

              I agree, 100 %

        • Patzcuaro

           /  September 15, 2017

          I worry when people start quoting the Bible or Quran, pieces are taken in isolation from the whole. You can probably justify anything if you look hard enough in these books and take passages in isolation. They were written 1500 to 2000 years ago from stories that had been told and retold, notes were taken at the time, no recorders in those days. Whose to say they are entirely accurate accounts of what was said or done.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  September 15, 2017

        If more “Christians” did or said what Christ would do or say if he was here now we would live in a better world. Christ was a revolutionary not a reactionary in his day.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 15, 2017

      Israel Folau (fiance of Maria Tutaia) has a right to express his opinion without being vilified as everyone else does.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 15, 2017

        Gays have civil rights, even if some people don’t see these as moral rights.

        There are many things in the Bible that people don’t do now, like stoning adulterers to death, not admitting bastards into the congregation even to the tenth generation…men are not obliged to marry their brothers’ widows. Few Christians seem to feel the need to express [‘pure religion’ by visiting widows and orphans in their affliction.

        Women are not forbidden to speak in church or enter churches with their heads bare.

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  2. Blazer

     /  September 15, 2017

    NZ FOR SALE…
    National now selling off Landcorps 140 farms.Bargain basement prices ,no doubt.
    R.Norman’-Landcorp started acknowledging the problems with water pollution and industrial dairy. So time for Govt to privatise it ‘.
    NZ’ers generally do not favour asset sales but National are determined to sell all taxpayers assets out from under them.Budget must have some large holes in it.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  September 15, 2017

      Assholes. I hope I’m wrong but we are about to see almost 1 million acres or 1.5% of our country about to disappear into foreign, aka asian ownership (and control). Goodbye New Zealand, it was nice to know you

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 15, 2017

      Anyone who buys this stuff must know the risks by now.

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      • Patu

         /  September 15, 2017

        Kitty, that is like saying an alcoholic knows the risks :/

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 15, 2017

          Not qute, there’s not much chance that a drink will contain weedkiller and that the drinker will be poisoned by it.

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  September 15, 2017

            Um, it doesn’t need to contain weedkiller to be fatal at large doses 😛

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 16, 2017

              I can’t understand why anyone puts weedkiller in it-or is this an urban myth ? There seems no reason for doing so and every reason not to when one is risking so much if the customer dies. Loss of their custom at best, a manslaughter charge at worst.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 15, 2017

    Nationals dirty deeds are starting to leak

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  September 15, 2017

    JACINDA heading towards being PM,enough said

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  5. Gezza

     /  September 16, 2017

    Say no more! 😉

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