Media watch – Sunday

17 September 2017

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  1. sorethumb

     /  September 17, 2017

    RNZ listener takes offence to ‘over Māori-fication’ of the station
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/96875989/rnz-listener-takes-offence-to-over-morification-of-the-station

    They wouldn’t rub it in our noses would they?. Where do you draw the line between what is right [decided by elites] and what the public want? Sometimes what the public want is what is right. The public want a unified cohesive society not a diverse “inclusive” society. Then again there are two publics here 1. we have the ordinary people 2. those to whom certain positions are a marker of status.

    • sorethumb

       /  September 17, 2017

      Voluntary use of the Maori language is fine but there’s no need to force feed the populace, all it does is turn people against it’s use.
      1 reply-4

      2 days ago
      Elanor Woodhams
      Voluntary use of the English language is fine, but there’s no need to force feed the populace. English is the language of immigrants after all
      +9
      Rather explains why people don’t want to learn Maori -it is associated with tribalism (not Maori/Pakeha the post colonial studies type).

      I logged into Stuff to make a comment- at which point the comment box dissapeared?

      • NOEL

         /  September 17, 2017

        Ahhh you been asleep. MAORI is one of three officially recognised languages in NZ.
        You can refuse Te Reo in you own home from now to eternity but yah got no right to stop others using it publicly.

        • sorethumb

           /  September 17, 2017

          Ahhh you been asleep. MAORI is one of three officially recognised languages in NZ.
          ……
          Ahhh have you been asleep? Who said official is legitimate? Officially we “celebrate diversity” even when it erodes social capital and directly affects health.

          • sorethumb

             /  September 17, 2017

            What I’m saying here is that it is activists who speak Maori. Maori speak English.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  September 17, 2017

              I will always remember Kaitaia fondly as the first town I frequented where I could pretty much guarantee to walk along the main street and hear people conversing in Maori. Next time this happens I’ll interrupt my cuzzies and tell them I’m onto them, no matter how much they protest, I know they are ACTIVISTS and not ordinary people going about their business.

            • pickled possum

               /  September 17, 2017

              Hey sorekonui
              Pokokohua … very strong curse, an insulting swear word, an expression of anger or a curse expressing a lack of desire to do something.
              The strength of emotions usually associated with the use of the Māori word is not conveyed in a literal translation (i.e. boiled head) in the English.
              Because the head is tapu in traditional Māori society, to boil it would have been the ultimate insult.
              However, the strength of the word depends on the ferocity of the delivery by the speaker.

          • According to Wikipedia:

            “New Zealand has three official languages, one de facto and two de jure”

            I’ll leave readers to guess which one is merely ‘de facto’.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  September 17, 2017

              As often happens, Wikipedia is plain wrong here, and I’m puzzled (but not really) as to why you would quote it as an authority. Here’s my correction: “New Zealand has three official languages.” Perhaps you should have stayed on the boat with your “defacto” language…

            • @ phantom snowflake
              http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/71296013/Petition-to-make-English-an-official-language-in-New-Zealand

              “It’s a secret on the tip of everyone’s tongue: English is not an official language in New Zealand. … Te reo and sign both have Official Language status under law, but English does not. Although it is used by custom in the courts, Parliament and throughout the public sector, only the Tax Administration Act legally requires records to be kept in English.” — Stuff.co.nz : August 2015

              English is the ‘de facto’ official language; Maori and NZ Sign are the only official languages in law.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  September 17, 2017

              Would be funny if I turned out to be wrong; what with me getting all snarky and dismissive! I’m not ready to concede just yet, but I’m wobbling… Maybe I’ll have to alter my previous comment to: “Perhaps all of you should have stayed on your boats with your English language.”

          • sorethumb

             /  September 17, 2017

            pickled possum
            Pokokohua … very strong curse, an insulting swear word, an expression of anger or a curse expressing a lack of desire to do something.
            …….
            Otherwise known as ad hominem -not advancing your argument. Yes Maori speak Maori because they want to, but Maori also speak English. Language is political strengthening ethnic identity. It just so happens that English is by far the most useful of the two languages.
            It is far better to have a common (genuine) identity than two or several in one space as, despite multicultural theory, we eventually compete with each other.
            The Five (Cross Cultural) Moral Foundations are:
            Care: cherishing and protecting others; opposite of harm.
            Fairness or proportionality: rendering justice according to shared rules; opposite of cheating.
            Loyalty or ingroup: standing with your group, family, nation; opposite of betrayal.
            Authority or respect: submitting to tradition and legitimate authority; opposite of subversion.
            Sanctity or purity: abhorrence for disgusting things, foods, actions; opposite of degradation.

            The third one is “a house divided upon itself cannot stand” and that principle goes back to the beginning of time.

            As usual RNZ thinks it has a leadership role when really they are the public service. They are becoming like the guy who prattles on in Maori at a public event knowing virtually no one understands him – because they ought to.

    • Corky

       /  September 17, 2017

      ‘Espiner admitted he enjoyed infuriating such listeners and confirmed RNZ would not give into such complaints.’

      Typical snivelling Leftie loving any small morsel of power.

      I personally have the original notes, circa 90’s, for the Maorification of our armed forces. I won’t explain the reason for this initiative so as not to rile red necks. Suffice to say the armed forces deemed they needed many Maoris.

      First points were to instigate an armed forces haka. Next was to lower discipline protocols given many expected new Maori recruits would be feral. Third was to find and train Maori recruiters with ties to their Iwi rohes

      There’s nothing new about the Maorification of New Zealnd. What will be new is when people say enough is enough.

  2. sorethumb

     /  September 17, 2017

    A Group of Academics say only the Greens are doing anything about global warming -RNZ.
    No mention of TOPS? Gareth Morgan’s book Poles apart convinced me of the case.
    Listening to RNZ in the early hours can’t help the feeling they have fans in Red Radio.

  3. chrism56

     /  September 17, 2017

    Trying to put a positive spin on paying more tax
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/96885325/shamubeel-eaqub-tax-is-love
    Do they address whether the government is a wise spender of tax payer’s money – spoiler alert “no”

  4. chrism56

     /  September 17, 2017

    Jacinda may feel like she is front footing it but she is geographically challenged. Morrinsville is on the edge of the Hauraki Plains and drains into the Piako river not the Waikato
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11923262

  5. sorethumb

     /  September 17, 2017

    Let’s not forget Maori have their own langauge outlets if they want to use them. This is not about Maori speaking Maori it is about everybody speaking Maori. Snowflake and I agree – Mandarin is (going to be) much more useful.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  September 17, 2017

      “Bro”, I’m even starting to get embarrassed on your behalf now. Enough. Haven’t you got american alt-right forums to post on?