Blog responses to CB poll

It’s interesting to see blog responses to polls. With some it depends very much on the results.

Last night a Colmar Brunton poll showed a significant swing for National and against Labour.

Whale Oil tends to be slow reacting to news, especially news they don’t like. So far they have only one post on the poll, and it’s bizarre – Face of the Day:

Meet Gary Morgan.  The Man At The Top at Roy Morgan Research.  He may be, in the end, the most powerful influencer of how this election turned out.

That on it’s own is an odd claim.

Well, I think he should hide in his office for the day.  Even though I have no doubt there has not been anything shady going on, the end result is that the widely swinging poll, and specifically its timing, is hugely damaging to the Labour party.

That has to be the shoddiest bit of polling yet.   It wouldn’t surprise me if the left will accuse Roy Morgan of deliberately screwing with the election in favour of National.

The shoddiness is in the post.

That’s last night’s Colmar Brunton poll. Roy Morgan has nothing to do with it.

And it is dirty and devious to use ‘the left’ to imply a deliberately screwed poll.

Has ‘Whaleoil Staff’ really got confused between Roy Morgan and Colmar Brunton? Or is it deliberate confusion to attack the pollsters and the poll result?

Meanwhile The Standard is usually very quick to have posts on Labour friendly polls, but as is common last night’s poll has not appeared anywhere apart from in last night’s Daily Review 20/09/2017.

Instead Anthony Robins continues his posts attacking National:

Is NZ doomed to lying politics now?

Bill English and the Nats are now running firmly on a platform of lies – Gower calls them on this for a second time this week. Should the political left get down in the gutter too? Is NZ doomed to lying politics now?

Sounds defeatist.

Nats “discovered poverty last week” – and will forget it just as quickly

Ardern’s jab that English “discovered poverty last week” was the line of the debate. After the election National will forget it again just as quickly, if the record of the last nine years is anything to go by. Do you want to vote for that?

Why do Labour supporters put so much effort into attacking National at The Standard when they have a largely left wing audience.

The Standard (resident trolls and moderators) actively try to drive away anyone judged to be a National supporter. Even those in the centre, or non-aligned, or deemed to be not left enough get attacked and banned.

So they are hardly going to swing many votes away from National by attacking them.

And there is a stark contrast between Jacinda Ardern’s ‘relentlessly positive’ and The Standard’s ‘relentlessly negative’.

Note that there are some positive Green posts at The Standard these days but Green supporters are prominent in their negative attacks.

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25 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  21st September 2017

    I was interested to hear Bills response to the question that China,Vietnam,Sth Korea do not allow foreign ownership of their land…why do we?His answer…that we are an ‘open economy’ is an admission,that National care not for selling off the whole country.Unforgiveable.

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    • sorethumb

       /  21st September 2017

      May as well have said “we are a migrant receiving nation” (as though it wasn’t a choice of government policy but some undefined characteristic)

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  2. George

     /  21st September 2017

    It’s the old ‘look over there’ tactic by Whale Oil.
    How are they handling their darling on 5% 🙂

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  3. J Bloggs

     /  21st September 2017

    I like visiting The Standard – its a wonderful observational study of Groupthink in action, particularly in the run up to elections

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    • duperez

       /  21st September 2017

      I think there’s more likelihood of a reasonable ‘middle ground’ to be found on Newsroom.
      On there this morning there’s a piece outlining how claims Bill English is making are wrong.

      Is that just a different perspective, because English has been misinformed or because he’s lying?

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    • sorethumb

       /  21st September 2017

      it is boring because the people they ban are those they can’t beat.

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  4. David

     /  21st September 2017

    “Why do Labour supporters put so much effort into attacking National at The Standard when they have a largely left wing audience.”

    Because it makes them feel good.

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    • duperez

       /  21st September 2017

      “Why do Labour supporters put so much effort into attacking National at The Standard when they have a largely left wing audience.”

      For the same reasons National supporters put so much effort into attacking Labour at Kiwiblog when they have a largely right wing audience?

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  5. Zedd

     /  21st September 2017

    @Corkey, Gezza & Pantz

    “look here comes the Tory fearmongers bandwagon.. hurry youz dont want to miss it !”

    BUT be careful, in case it crashes & burns & youz all end up.. up to your necks in.. leaked jet fuel 😀

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  8. Dave K

     /  21st September 2017

    Little snippet of gold just posted on Whaleoil…..aparently winnies pole numbers are down because of the ‘shy tory’ effect……just you wait and see

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  21st September 2017

      That thought had occurred to me. Shades of the Shy Trump Effect. But im wondering if voters have been spooked by the very real prospect of their man going with the dark side, and as a result have come back to their ancestral home. Could be an explanation for the nats rise?

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      • Winston first lost his old Labour supporters that flocked back to Ardern, then he lost his old National supporters spooked because of Ardern thus leaving him with his traditional (smallish) fan base.

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    • Dave K

       /  21st September 2017

      They definately could be spooked by the increasingly erratic headline grabbing….I see the latest is that he will do away with the national anthem. That’ll sure get the boys down the RSA behind him.

      Still, it will be interesting to see if it pans out. Just so you don’t have to, here are the NZF poll (sp!) results for the ~week prior to the election vs actual the last two times

      2011
      Fairfax 5.2
      One News 4.2
      Herald 5.2
      3Three News RR 3.1
      Roy Morgan 6.5
      Actual 6.7

      2014
      Roy Morgan 8.0
      Three News 7.1
      Herald 8.4
      One News CB 8.0
      Fairfax 6.6
      Actual 8.7

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      • Dave K

         /  21st September 2017

        There we go…latest three news has 7.1%, so add in Ryman and Oceania and maybe a sliver over 8%. The shyster will surely get the arse from Northland though….

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  9. Zedd

     /  21st September 2017

    Just proves the old addage.. a majority of people talk about caring for; health, housing, environment etc. BUT when the chips are down (reality strikes) they only care about how fat their wallet is & the rest is just rhetorical B-S !

    words like; selfish, greedy & smug ring true with the staunch Tories !!
    enuf sed.. roll on 24/9

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    • When things don’t go as planned the left-wing can be guaranteed to turn nasty.

      Chin up Zedd – all to play for still.

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  10. chrism56

     /  21st September 2017

    I am sure half the voting population will be delighted to know they are “selfish, greedy and smug” . Sounds very much that a disgruntled leftie can’t understand why most people don’t agree with their world view. Could also be the reason why they are the minority, alienating the waverers with stupid comments like that.

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  11. R G Fowke

     /  21st September 2017

    I wondered whether the question: “Will you continue living in NZ if the party you vote for doesn’t win” would be appropriate in a poll? A host of USA VIP’s made that ‘departure declaration’ prior to the last US Election, if Trump should win!. I might also suggest a Vote for Winston, and have a dollar each way!

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    • Gezza

       /  21st September 2017

      Waste of time. Labour won’t bankrupt the country. They’ll simply tell the gnomes what’s required & it’s the gnomes’ job to work out all the money & logistics side of it & to put it in place. The pollies only carry the can if if it doesn’t do what they said it would & the populati notice.

      The rich whiners will still be rich. They’re goin’ nowhere. They’re on the pig’s back here & they know it!

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    • Blazer

       /  22nd September 2017

      those who say they will up and leave,rarely…do.

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