Open Forum – Saturday

23 September 2017

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30 Comments

  1. Matt Ridley has a good essay here showing how the climate change policies are helping the rich and punishing the poor.
    http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/climate-change-the-facts/
    No doubt he will be subject to ad hom attacks, rather than people disputing the facts.

  2. Corky

     /  September 23, 2017

    My Ladyfinger banana has done well to survive some very inhospitable weather from what it’s used to in its Northland microclimate.

    In Australia I would have been arrested for moving banana plants off site without a permit. Aussies take their banana industry seriously….mate.

  3. Missy

     /  September 23, 2017

    Whenever the topic of arming the police comes up among comments I often see and hear is that it will create a barrier between the police and public, and that the police will no longer be approachable.

    Here is a Facebook post (and picture) that shows this is a load of BS, the armed police in the UK remain approachable, despite the terror threats and carrying automatic rifles, not side arms.

    (fingers crossed this works, I haven’t tried this before)

    https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmetpoliceuk%2Fposts%2F1566999456690354&width=500

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 23, 2017

      I didn’t find that it made them seem approachable in countries where they are routinely armed-quite the opposite. They didn’t seem like the police with whom I grew up, or the UK bobbies-and I would be very wary of US police now :-/

      • Missy

         /  September 23, 2017

        Maybe that says more about you than the police Kitty, I have lived in places where the police are routinely armed – and where soldiers patrol the streets – and I have never found them unapproachable if you don’t pose a threat to the police, their colleagues, or the public.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 23, 2017

          When one goes from NZ ro Europe it’s a bit of a culture shock. Yes, I have seen armed soldiers at Heathrow and they were, of course, in Ulster where my parents came from and where the family still live.

          I would never take lightly the fact that someone has a loaded gun that they can easily get at.

          The US police seem to be rather trigger happy in many cases-here, one is unlikely to be shot by a cop for getting out one’s license.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 23, 2017

          And no, I am not now and never was someone who posed a threat to the police or the public, thank you.

    • Blazer

       /  September 23, 2017

      the FB post and pic…proves absolutely…nothing.Arm the Police and you escalate tension and unfortunate events.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 23, 2017

        The UK situation is a response to a threat, the routine arming of police is quite different, as the number of people shot in the US shows. I would hate to see Kiwis terrified when they are stopped by the police for routine checks or minor things like broken tail lights (what is one supposed to do when this has just happened ?)

        • Blazer

           /  September 23, 2017

          get it fixed.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 23, 2017

            In the middle of the night ? Where ? How, without driving to wherever the place is ?

        • Missy

           /  September 23, 2017

          The UK situation is only partly response to a threat Kitty, at least when I talk to police officers in professional and work settings that is what they say, there are police on patrol in the UK that are routinely armed. They are still approachable.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 23, 2017

            The Belgian ones where we lived weren’t. They were not there to be your friend.

            I would be a bit careful about how I approached an American policeman, too.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 23, 2017

            There must be some reason for the police being armed, they don’t just do it to keep the arms industry going. Nor were the British soldiers in Ulster to give them something to do.

      • Missy

         /  September 23, 2017

        Really, where is your proof of that Blazer.

  4. unitedtribes2

     /  September 23, 2017

    Standing in line to Vote I noticed the person in front of me wasn’t enrolled so was given some forms and taken to another counter to enrol . I enquired about this with an attendant who said they are allowed to but their vote goes into the special votes. Knowing this to be incorrect I asked the supervisor whats going on to be told that the person would be enrolled but couldn’t vote until the next election. Still a bit fishy I thought. Dosnt pass the transparency test for me.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  September 23, 2017

      Still a good chance to enrol them even if they can’t vote this time.

    • Making comments about voting is legal as long as parties or candidates or who to vote for aren’t mentioned.

      “You can enrol and vote at the same time at any advance voting place, but you cannot enrol on election day itself.”

      http://www.elections.org.nz/events/2017-general-election/information-voters-who-when-and-wher

      • Patzcuaro

         /  September 23, 2017

        Pity it would still be a good chance to enrol people for next time.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 23, 2017

          They could have enrolled and voted yesterday but that was the last day.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 23, 2017

            I can’t believe that there was anything untoward going on, Uni, it would have been an error, surely. I would say that anything so public would be ‘transparent’, and can’t see what would be gained by the booth staff.

            • unitedtribes2

               /  September 23, 2017

              Waiheke Kitty Waiheke you wouldn’t believe what goes on here

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 23, 2017

              If anyone did anything illegal, they would be in serious trouble wherever they were. There would be no point in doing it-they’d be caught-and every point in not doing it. I have been involved in several elections and I know about these things. Election tampering would make no difference to the result unless it was closer than it is ever likely to be.

  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  September 23, 2017

    Pete-what is that link on the E-word and P-word free post ??? Is it meant to be there ?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  September 23, 2017

      MOD !!! ??? It looks like advertising/politicking from the Conservatives !!! Whaleoil is in there, too. Please go and look, Pete.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 23, 2017

        The PDT is missing the point. If the Conservatives are doing their thing here, Your NZ could be in trouble-although it’s obviously not YNZ’s doing.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 23, 2017

          This may mean a $10,000 fine for Colin Craig…oh dear….he should be more careful.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 23, 2017

            It’s gone. Finally.

            I will be happy to say what I saw if a witness is needed.

  6. Corky

     /  September 23, 2017

    I always thought I was the only one who became melancholy listening to this song. Apparently going by the comments section, I’m not the only one. One thing is for sure, London doesn’t have that vibe anymore. I also wonder what the other chap in this duo was actually good for. He looked totally lost in this clip. He seems to hold the same position Andrew Ridgeley did in Wham.